Chord Melody stuff.

Metal Ken · 06-01-2007, 02:29 PM

Okay, heres the deal:

I want to get into some chord melody stuff and expand my chord vocabulary. What are some good songs to look for? if possible, powertab?

Luan · 06-01-2007, 05:35 PM

Learn chords, tons of chords.
Learn all the possible ways of chords in root position, without open strings.
Major, minor, minor7(b5)
Then learn the same chord but adding 9, 11, 13, #11, by using major 7ths and minor 7ths, for example, Gmajor 7 (9 13) and G7 (9 13).
Learn that you should not use the 11 over major chords, the 11 is an avoid note on any major chord, but you can use #11.
The 13 is the avoid notes of minor chords.
Then start to learn inversions, 1st inversion, 2nd inversion, 3rd inversion, on all the neck, firt with major chords, then minor, then add a 7, then a 9 and so on.

If it were easy Joe Pass have should find another job

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Metal Ken · 06-01-2007, 05:37 PM

I was looking for songs man ;p
I can figure out all that stuff pretty quick, but i figure practicing songs would make more sense. Like the great Yng said "Why bother with boring exercises when theres great music that you can practice that employs the principles already"

Luan · 06-01-2007, 05:48 PM

Uh, I think that you should not try to figure when you need it, but learn every chord you figure out, so when you need it you already have it.
I put in front of you a sheet, and you should be able to play it without stop, using tensions, inversions, melodies over the chords and everything like that.
Is what I'm studying right now in school.
You are not trying to shred, to play a cooley or petrucci lick, you are trying to learn chord melody, something you are borrowing from jazz players.
What does jazz players do to practice chord melody?
They grab a sheet and start playing so awesome just because they are playing music?

Metal Ken · 06-01-2007, 05:51 PM

I am a fan of the school practical application, man ;p

Luan · 06-01-2007, 05:54 PM

I don't share that way of thinking.

Metal Ken · 06-01-2007, 06:03 PM

Thats cool. When i want to figure something out, im the kind of person that sits there and fucks with it till i can play it. So it works for me.

Drew · 06-01-2007, 06:10 PM

Um, Luan, despite his name Metal Ken has a pretty good grasp of chord theory and music theory in general. Telling him to "learn lots of chords," while generally good advice, isn't really what's needed here.

There are two things you need to know to play chord melody, near as I can tell - a ton of chords, true, but you also need to know how to build arrangements. Knowing 15 million chords won't turn you into Joe Pass; knowing how to use those chords will. And the best way to do this is to study other people's arrangements.

Metal Ken · 06-01-2007, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew

but you also need to know how to build arrangements. Knowing 15 million chords won't turn you into Joe Pass; knowing how to use those chords will. And the best way to do this is to study other people's arrangements.

THats what i was getting at

MetalMike · 06-01-2007, 06:38 PM

Ken, you should check out Joe Pass' instructional video. Ted Greene also has some nice chord melody ideas, but it's difficult to get a hold of anything he has done besides Chord Chemistry.

06-01-2007, 06:10 PM	#8
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06-01-2007, 02:29 PM	#1
Metal Ken Dissident Aggressor • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 16,419 Real Name: Legion Main Seven: Loomis, C7HR, Giannini 7 Rig: Mesa Rectoverb 50 Thanked: 72	Chord Melody stuff. Okay, heres the deal: I want to get into some chord melody stuff and expand my chord vocabulary. What are some good songs to look for? if possible, powertab? Almighty asmodeus, existant of chaos Ominous be thy name Thy kingdom come on earth Lead me into all temptation of my flesh So I may trespass greatly into Thy ways by my desires ~Fornicatus Benefictus http://www.myspace.com/impurity Brutal Skullfucking Death Metal

06-01-2007, 05:35 PM	#2
Luan ss.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 580 Real Name: Luan Main Seven: Ibanez rg1527 Thanked: 17	Learn chords, tons of chords. Learn all the possible ways of chords in root position, without open strings. Major, minor, minor7(b5) Then learn the same chord but adding 9, 11, 13, #11, by using major 7ths and minor 7ths, for example, Gmajor 7 (9 13) and G7 (9 13). Learn that you should not use the 11 over major chords, the 11 is an avoid note on any major chord, but you can use #11. The 13 is the avoid notes of minor chords. Then start to learn inversions, 1st inversion, 2nd inversion, 3rd inversion, on all the neck, firt with major chords, then minor, then add a 7, then a 9 and so on. If it were easy Joe Pass have should find another job .

06-01-2007, 05:37 PM	#3
Metal Ken Dissident Aggressor • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 16,419 Real Name: Legion Main Seven: Loomis, C7HR, Giannini 7 Rig: Mesa Rectoverb 50 Thanked: 72	I was looking for songs man ;p I can figure out all that stuff pretty quick, but i figure practicing songs would make more sense. Like the great Yng said "Why bother with boring exercises when theres great music that you can practice that employs the principles already"

06-01-2007, 05:48 PM	#4
Luan ss.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 580 Real Name: Luan Main Seven: Ibanez rg1527 Thanked: 17	Uh, I think that you should not try to figure when you need it, but learn every chord you figure out, so when you need it you already have it. I put in front of you a sheet, and you should be able to play it without stop, using tensions, inversions, melodies over the chords and everything like that. Is what I'm studying right now in school. You are not trying to shred, to play a cooley or petrucci lick, you are trying to learn chord melody, something you are borrowing from jazz players. What does jazz players do to practice chord melody? They grab a sheet and start playing so awesome just because they are playing music?

06-01-2007, 05:51 PM	#5
Metal Ken Dissident Aggressor • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 16,419 Real Name: Legion Main Seven: Loomis, C7HR, Giannini 7 Rig: Mesa Rectoverb 50 Thanked: 72	I am a fan of the school practical application, man ;p

06-01-2007, 05:54 PM	#6
Luan ss.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 580 Real Name: Luan Main Seven: Ibanez rg1527 Thanked: 17	I don't share that way of thinking.

06-01-2007, 06:03 PM	#7
Metal Ken Dissident Aggressor • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 16,419 Real Name: Legion Main Seven: Loomis, C7HR, Giannini 7 Rig: Mesa Rectoverb 50 Thanked: 72	Thats cool. When i want to figure something out, im the kind of person that sits there and fucks with it till i can play it. So it works for me.


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