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Jackson DK-7 COW Model
zimbloth
05-11-2006
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The DK7 is a pretty straight-forward setup, but has great features where it counts. Mahogany makes up both the body and neck. The fretboard is slick ebony with no inlays (just how I like it). It has a single EMG 707 pickup in the bridge. Hard-Tail. Reverse headstock. Single volume knob, no tone (!). The only thing that could be better here, would be better tuners. The tuners are nice, but I like Sperzels/Schallers. But, for $699 for an instrument of this quality, there's no room for complaints. Also, this guitar is flat out sexy. The pictures online really don't do it justice, seeing it at angles is especially flattering, which the pics below should show somewhat (although my digicam blows).

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  #28 (permalink)  
By eaeolian on 05-17-2006, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by zimbloth
USA Jacksons really just cost way too much. I know the demand is high so they can charge whatever they want, but you see MusiciansFriend selling regular ol' RR1s for more than custom shop prices. I think ESP's prices are more reasonable for their standard series (1300-1500).
Eh, I like the ESPs - and the MF prices on those are 15-17 - but I'd personally drop the $200 more. Other dealers will usually sell the USA Jacksons for less, too - they just have to honor Fender's MAP policy when they advertise them.
  #29 (permalink)  
By noodles on 05-17-2006, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by zimbloth
USA Jacksons really just cost way too much. I know the demand is high so they can charge whatever they want, but you see MusiciansFriend selling regular ol' RR1s for more than custom shop prices. I think ESP's prices are more reasonable for their standard series (1300-1500).
What about Fender? An American Strat "Deluxe" costs $1200, and tha Deluxe in the name is getting you locking tuners, and a different nut and saddles. $1200 for a Strat. It's just a Strat! Gibson? A Les Paul Standard is $2300. A Custom is up to $3000! Don't even get me started on PRS. Jackson is probably one of the best USA guitars in terms of cost/features. Those RR1s you see for two grand are the MAP prices. You have to call to get the street price.

I don't know where you're shopping for ESP, but an Eclipse II is $1729 at Musician's Friend. $1579 gets you a Viper. That's the same territory as the "overpriced" Jacksons. Signature models throw you into the $2300+ range. If these are also MAP prices, it doesn't give any indication.

If you think the difference between that CS COW Soloist and the COW DK-7 are minute, then I don't believe that you have actually played a CS guitar. I've played a COW DK-7, and they're nice guitars. I've played Mike's CS Soloist, and it is one of the nicest guitars I have ever played. There is absolutely no comparison. Throw money out of the equation, and every single thing is much better. Leave out the easy upgrades (like the Spertzels) if you want, it really doesn't matter. The DK-7 has a stained board because they use a lower grade of ebony, and they don't want you to see chocolate brown streaks. Gibson has been using this trick for years. You can actually see tiny color variations in the CS fretboard, because they hand pick each piece of ebony, judging it by weight, grain, coloring, etc. As a matter of fact, every piece of wood is hand picked. When cost is no object, this is how you select wood for a guitar. The finish work puts that DK-7 to shame, right down to a much shinier clear coat.

How can you compare something that came off an assembly line to a guitar made by one or two guys in a small shop? Yes, it is much more expensive, but that is what happens when you step up from a Acura TL to a S-class Mercedes Benz.
  #30 (permalink)  
By D-EJ915 on 05-17-2006, 12:24 PM
Also note that ESP's Standard line is made in a different place than the Custom Shop now, so they're not "as high" as USA Jacksons, theoretically, anymore.
  #31 (permalink)  
By zimbloth on 05-17-2006, 12:26 PM
No doubt, those are indeed overpriced as well. I agree with everything you said. I'm also fully aware of that they use higher grade woods and the like (brown steaks in ebony isn't necessarily a sign that it's a bad sample though). Like I've said I've had/played USA/CS Jacksons and many other brands as well. Everything you said is accurate.

That being said, when you're talking about $699 vs $3000-4000, the differences you spoke of still doesn't quite justify it to me. When I sit down and actually just play the DK7, those thoughts about "well this isn't quite as prestine as the CS guitars I've owned over the years" just don't creep in. I just enjoy and love the guitar - because it sounds and plays great, and despite a less shiny coat or whatever, it still looks sweet.

The bottom line is you're talking about some the extra attention to detail the CS COW gets over the Japanese, and I fully agree.... but you said to "leave the money out of the equation" and "cost is no object", which defeats the whole purpose of my original comments. I said already that if money was of no consequence, the CS is hands down better. I just said the difference in cost is so great, and the Japanese model plays and sounds so well (and is well made), that it's not really worth it. Remember I'm talking merely about the prospsect of having to buy either the DK7 or CS DK7, nothing else, when things like money and value and logic ARE factors.

I know you guys are endorsers and lovers of Jackson guitars, I too share your love. I loved my CS Marty Friedman models and KV2s and all the other fine Jacksons I've been privilaged to own/play. We're really not in disagreement here on the principles. I'm fully aware of the benefits of a handmade guitar. I was merely talking about value and practicality.

The DK7 is a guitar of quality that far exceeds its price tag. Considering how overpriced many production model Gibson, Fender, ESP, Jackson, BC Rich, Fernandes, etc are.... getting an all mahogany 7-string guitar with an ebony fretboard and "good" pickups, for $699, is a steal. If it cost $999-$1199 I still think it would be justified. So I feel like it's an exception value. I feel like the USA COW which is VERY SIMILAR is not worth an extra $3000, when for that money you could get a far better Custom piece anyways.
  #32 (permalink)  
By zimbloth on 05-28-2006, 10:56 PM
I just took my DK7 to its first rehearsal (i usually bring my JP7 or Ibanez). I have to say I'm sort of surprised how well the EMG 707 hangs in the mix. The somewhat polished and "balanced" and clear sound they produce really sounded good combineed with my bandmates Mesa Recto/C7 Blackjack w/ Duncan SH5 which was more searing and intense.

I still vastly prefer DiMarzios and Duncans, but at least in this case with a Triaxis/2:90, the 707 isn't bad at all.

I love this guitar. I am really disappointed I waited so long until buying one of these. Plays like an utter dream.
  #33 (permalink)  
By bostjan on 05-28-2006, 10:57 PM
Of course not, EMG's are nice pickups…even if they are not for everyone.
  #34 (permalink)  
By zimbloth on 05-28-2006, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bostjan
Of course not, EMG's are nice pickups…even if they are not for everyone.
Yeah it's just I've had EMG 81/85/707s in a million other guitars before and haven't had good experiences. I have a feeling the Triaxis is a very forgiving amp.
  #35 (permalink)  
By D-EJ915 on 05-29-2006, 04:20 AM
I always say, if you love Chimaira's tone, the unforgiving brutally abrasive kind, the 81 will suit you perfectly, lol.
  #36 (permalink)  
By zimbloth on 05-29-2006, 02:25 PM
Once again, it totally depends on the amp you're using. Not every amp takes kindly to those pickups.

Now Skeeter, he ain't hurtin nobody.
  #37 (permalink)  
By bostjan on 05-29-2006, 02:29 PM
Well, they sound great though my Mesa. They sound like brillo pads on your ears through my cousin's Crate, though, but sometimes you want the brillo pad to the ear sound. *shrug*
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