Ron Jarzombek "Oscillation Cycles" instructional DVD preview...

vontetzianos · 07-31-2009, 04:35 AM

Hey,

I just stumbled across this vid, and I cannot wait for this DVD. Its called '12 Tone Variations' and it should be fantastic, especially seeing as its coming from Ron himself, so anyway, enjoy:

ShadyDavey · 07-31-2009, 04:35 AM

I was literally just about to post this!!

Yeah, looks awesome

vontetzianos · 07-31-2009, 04:36 AM

EDIT: this may be the wrong forum section, so if a mod happens to see this feel free to move it the appropriate section. Cheers.

TheSixthWheel · 07-31-2009, 04:53 AM

Ron Jarzombek is a freakshow genius. Cheers for the link, definitely awaiting this DVD.

Andii · 07-31-2009, 05:25 AM

Ron is a mad scientist.

Apophis · 07-31-2009, 06:45 AM

Thanks for info

GazPots · 07-31-2009, 07:01 AM

Kudos for him playing on a 7 but as with Blotted Science i just can't get into it.

Anyways great chops (abeit calculated randomesque) and a 7 in an instructional vid.

Triple7 · 07-31-2009, 07:42 AM

Anyone know when this will be coming out?

MerlinTKD · 07-31-2009, 07:47 AM

Holy Crap!

We studied 12-tone music in school, I even know a guy that composes nothing but... but this was actually almost coherent!

Monster tone by the way... what is that guitar he's using?

Triple7 · 07-31-2009, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MerlinTKD

Holy Crap!

We studied 12-tone music in school, I even know a guy that composes nothing but... but this was actually almost coherent!

Monster tone by the way... what is that guitar he's using?

If I'm not mistaken he built his own custom 7.

Seebu · 07-31-2009, 08:54 AM

Yeah, with Seymour Duncan Distortions in it.

vgguru39 · 07-31-2009, 09:00 AM

The reason why this twelve tone music is interesting is because it's not truly atonal. It's split into three separate diminished tonal units with the notes jumbled around. It's a cool concept. I can't wait for this DVD, Ron is a rhythmic genius.

sevenstringj · 07-31-2009, 10:07 AM

I dunno. Sounds like he's making something extremely simple--diminished chords--needlessly complicated. You could also fulfill the 12-tone scheme by moving them up by whole note increments instead of chromatically.

And you can do the same sorta thing with augmented chords.

st2012 · 07-31-2009, 10:12 AM

Wish I could watch the vid at work.

vontetzianos · 07-31-2009, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple7

Anyone know when this will be coming out?

He's been talking about it for a while but it seemed to take much longer than expected, so your guess is as good as mine at this point.

shadowlife · 07-31-2009, 11:06 AM

Looks really cool- he's a great player, and if the rest of the DVD is like this, i may have to pick it up.

Excalibur · 07-31-2009, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sevenstringj

I dunno. Sounds like he's making something extremely simple--diminished chords--needlessly complicated. You could also fulfill the 12-tone scheme by moving them up by whole note increments instead of chromatically.

And you can do the same sorta thing with augmented chords.

Pretty much what I was thinking, I love Ron as a player, but.....

cyril v · 07-31-2009, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sevenstringj

I dunno. Sounds like he's making something extremely simple--diminished chords--needlessly complicated. You could also fulfill the 12-tone scheme by moving them up by whole note increments instead of chromatically.

And you can do the same sorta thing with augmented chords.

dude, check out his website., he has this detailed out pretty well... what was represented in this clip is just a single take on this (a single song)... he would consider this particular set of notes as a single "key". buy the blotted science album, then read his theory on his site and connect the dots. If I'm not mistaken, most of the music on the Blotted Science album was conceived using this method.

Heres an example of a key....

now watch this...
http://www.ronjarzombek.com/rjsynaptic2.wmv

Or better yet, youtube the song REM by blotted science, based off of this...

http://www.ronjarzombek.com/rj12tone.html

Trespass · 07-31-2009, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sevenstringj

I dunno. Sounds like he's making something extremely simple--diminished chords--needlessly complicated. You could also fulfill the 12-tone scheme by moving them up by whole note increments instead of chromatically.

And you can do the same sorta thing with augmented chords.

Agreed, to a point.

This is his method, and if you want to learn the method he's devised to write his material (from his perspective), follow the theory. For someone with a background in theory, this is fairly obvious. But I don't think this is for people who have actually studied twelve tone theory to a degree.

(Note: Listening and "reading about" does not constitute studying - Playing, and in depth analysis of score does)

Eptaceros · 08-01-2009, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sevenstringj

I dunno. Sounds like he's making something extremely simple--diminished chords--needlessly complicated. You could also fulfill the 12-tone scheme by moving them up by whole note increments instead of chromatically.

And you can do the same sorta thing with augmented chords.

You're correct, it is only diminished chords. However, what is so genius about it all is how Ron Jarzombek arranged it, which as others have pointed out has everything to do with the twelve tone theory.

cyril v · 08-01-2009, 01:51 PM

^^
exactly... saying that it's just diminshed, completely misses the point.

i think he lays it out in a way, that just reading/listening to his examples is enough to get a decent grasp of it... not much studying required, i'd think of it as more of a basic tool or guideline (like circle of 5ths.)

JoryGriffin · 08-01-2009, 01:58 PM

This is really cool

Although arguably not the most heartfelt way to write songs.

vontetzianos · 08-01-2009, 02:27 PM

I really admire the way the way Machinations was written. It seems to give an order to writing music, and Ron has proved along with many others that you can achieve some cool results.

kmanick · 08-03-2009, 07:42 PM

mucho Excellant!
I love Blotted science so it's really cool to me to see how
he thinks this shit out.

vontetzianos · 08-05-2009, 02:09 AM

Does anyone know what he's playing through? I know he uses Marshall amps but I've seen him use a number of others as well.

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07-31-2009, 04:35 AM	#1
vontetzianos ss.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Joburg, SA Posts: 2,916 Thanked: 55 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ron Jarzombek "Oscillation Cycles" instructional DVD preview... Hey, I just stumbled across this vid, and I cannot wait for this DVD. Its called '12 Tone Variations' and it should be fantastic, especially seeing as its coming from Ron himself, so anyway, enjoy:

07-31-2009, 04:35 AM	#2
ShadyDavey 7ibrarian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Peterborough, UK Posts: 6,588 Thanked: 104 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I was literally just about to post this!! Yeah, looks awesome While raping a bear in Yellowstone and snorting coke out of a freshly-dead baby's skull, I finally felt that I had found my calling and built a time machine out of Iraqi WMDs and LOTS OF HEMP WHOA. Using this time machine I went back in time and shot JFK from outer ....ing space. I am now your god - Jeff .....and then all of a sudden he drops the musical equivilant of a steaming turd right in our laps - ESP Griffyn

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TheSixthWheel bangetzit Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: VIC. Australia Posts: 1,897 Thanked: 34 Feedback Score: 15 reviews	Ron Jarzombek is a freakshow genius. Cheers for the link, definitely awaiting this DVD. "If you really believe that death leads to eternal bliss, then why are you wearing a seatbelt?" - Doug Stanhope. Stop killing man. Start killing god.

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GazPots Is A Complete Idiot. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 2,529 Thanked: 16 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Kudos for him playing on a 7 but as with Blotted Science i just can't get into it. Anyways great chops (abeit calculated randomesque) and a 7 in an instructional vid. http://www.youtube.com/GazPots <--- Guitar vids. www.soundclick.com/GazTop <--- Random Guitar tunes.

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vontetzianos ss.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Joburg, SA Posts: 2,916 Thanked: 55 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	EDIT: this may be the wrong forum section, so if a mod happens to see this feel free to move it the appropriate section. Cheers.

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Andii Captain tying knots Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: SC Posts: 1,439 Thanked: 36 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ron is a mad scientist.

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MerlinTKD ERG Drummer! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 2,825 Thanked: 23 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Holy Crap! We studied 12-tone music in school, I even know a guy that composes nothing but... but this was actually almost coherent! Monster tone by the way... what is that guitar he's using? *Don's Music City - Winston-Salem*

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Seebu Defenestrator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 214 Thanked: 2 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah, with Seymour Duncan Distortions in it.

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vgguru39 ss.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sterling Heights, MI Posts: 89 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The reason why this twelve tone music is interesting is because it's not truly atonal. It's split into three separate diminished tonal units with the notes jumbled around. It's a cool concept. I can't wait for this DVD, Ron is a rhythmic genius.

07-31-2009, 10:07 AM	#13
sevenstringj Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: ny Posts: 2,432 Thanked: 47 Feedback Score: 23 reviews	I dunno. Sounds like he's making something extremely simple--diminished chords--needlessly complicated. You could also fulfill the 12-tone scheme by moving them up by whole note increments instead of chromatically. And you can do the same sorta thing with augmented chords.

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st2012 Texas CEO / RHLC Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 2,625 Thanked: 28 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Wish I could watch the vid at work.

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shadowlife SS Contributor Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 1,250 Thanked: 19 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Looks really cool- he's a great player, and if the rest of the DVD is like this, i may have to pick it up. "There's no reason for a guitarist to have a big ego. You should love the instrument more than wanting to be a rock star."- Randy Rhoads

08-01-2009, 01:51 PM	#21
cyril v SS Contributor Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 3,679 Thanked: 16 Feedback Score: 31 reviews	^^ exactly... saying that it's just diminshed, completely misses the point. i think he lays it out in a way, that just reading/listening to his examples is enough to get a decent grasp of it... not much studying required, i'd think of it as more of a basic tool or guideline (like circle of 5ths.)

08-01-2009, 01:58 PM	#22
JoryGriffin TACTUS A Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Newquay, Cornwall Posts: 702 Thanked: 21 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	This is really cool Although arguably not the most heartfelt way to write songs. Official Gildenlow Fanboy

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vontetzianos ss.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Joburg, SA Posts: 2,916 Thanked: 55 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I really admire the way the way Machinations was written. It seems to give an order to writing music, and Ron has proved along with many others that you can achieve some cool results.

08-03-2009, 07:42 PM	#24
kmanick SS Contributor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: BOSTON Posts: 6,523 Thanked: 86 Feedback Score: 14 reviews	mucho Excellant! I love Blotted science so it's really cool to me to see how he thinks this shit out. Axe Fx II in da house

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vontetzianos ss.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Joburg, SA Posts: 2,916 Thanked: 55 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Does anyone know what he's playing through? I know he uses Marshall amps but I've seen him use a number of others as well.

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