What are you listening to?

eaeolian · 10-03-2005, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Naren

I completely agree. Gwar has some pretty funny lyrics. But, I find it so pathetic and funny that they are so serious about such incredibly cheesy lyrics. It's almost like the kids who played D&D as kids never really grew. They still listen to nothing but Ronnie James Dio, early 80's fantasy metal bands, and play believe themselves to be in some European middle ages fantasy...

In a way, it's kind of sad.

Having met several of the bigger bands of this style, I'd say you're not being cynical enough. Some really get into this stuff, but others (most) recognize that it's a pathway to an audience - I know people who WON'T buy metal discs unless they have sword and elf crap happening. It never ceases to amaze me...

mazafaka · 10-03-2005, 03:41 PM

Regarding the whole idea of complex vs. simple songs, I agree completely that a good song is just a good song. When originally bringing up Metallica, I pointed to the complex arrangements as an indicator to the level of effort they were putting into their music. Just as others have pointed out, it seems like they just don't care anymore. If they were smart, they would make an art of not caring, and write a bunch of songs about it.

And regarding simple songs, look at anything by The Pixies. I mean, the lyrics make no sense, and the skill required to play any of the instruments is very low, but the songs just work. It's all related to the amount of emotion you put into the song...

Naren · 10-03-2005, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazafaka

Regarding the whole idea of complex vs. simple songs, I agree completely that a good song is just a good song. When originally bringing up Metallica, I pointed to the complex arrangements as an indicator to the level of effort they were putting into their music. Just as others have pointed out, it seems like they just don't care anymore. If they were smart, they would make an art of not caring, and write a bunch of songs about it.

And regarding simple songs, look at anything by The Pixies. I mean, the lyrics make no sense, and the skill required to play any of the instruments is very low, but the songs just work. It's all related to the amount of emotion you put into the song...

The Pixies rock ("Where's My Mind?" is such a cool song). And early Metallica is just awesome. I just watched the live versions of "Sanitarium (Welcome Home)", "For Whom The Bell Tolls", "Metal Militia", and a few others - recorded from 1983-1986 and it was pure energy AWESOMENESS. Then, for comparison, I watched a live performance of "St. Anger" from around 2003 and just stared. It's almost like James stole Kirk's soloing and locked it in a box and said "we don't do solos anymore"...

Metal Ken · 10-03-2005, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew

You know, Cynic's been on the "to check out" list for ages - I just have a hard time believing anyone who could write something as great as "emergent" could write a bad album. I've heard a few clips that didn't floor me, but hell, it's Sean Malone. Scratch that, it's Sean Fucking Malone. The man is genius.

-D

Dude. Veil Of May. Thats all i gotta say. I caan email you a mp3 or two.

Drew · 10-03-2005, 05:17 PM

sure, send it over and I'll give it a listen.

Shannon · 10-03-2005, 05:32 PM

Today, it's...
Nevermore - Dead Heart In a Dead World
Ion Dissonance - Solace

Dark Tranquillity · 10-03-2005, 05:42 PM

In Flames - The jester race
BTBAM - Alaska
The Red Chord - FTiRD

Drew · 10-03-2005, 06:14 PM

Haha, back on topic, eh?

Buckethead, "Colma." Colma = awesomeness.

Metal Ken · 10-03-2005, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew

sure, send it over and I'll give it a listen.

En Route.

eleven59 · 10-03-2005, 06:27 PM

I've heard Cynic's album. It's not bad. The mix is terrible (though I hear the new re-mixed version is better) and the "vocals" (you know the ones I mean) take some getting used to, but once I got past that there's some really good playing there. I'll have to give it another listen for sure.

Though, I can't hum a single tune off the album from memory, which goes back to my songwriting arguement

Seriously though, I admire technically skilled musicians and think that it's cool that they can play really well. But music isn't a sport, and I can only take full-speed shredding nonsense for so long. My ranking for music goes:

1) Bands who can play really well AND write good songs
2) Bands who can write good songs
3) Bands who can play really well

My favourite bands do both, my lesser favourite bands only do one, and the bands I listen to occasionally do the third.

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10-03-2005, 05:32 PM	#836
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eleven59 Terrorhorse Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,749 Real Name: Aaron Main Seven: Schecter Hellraiser C7 Rig: Line6 Flextone II HD Thanked: 108	I've heard Cynic's album. It's not bad. The mix is terrible (though I hear the new re-mixed version is better) and the "vocals" (you know the ones I mean) take some getting used to, but once I got past that there's some really good playing there. I'll have to give it another listen for sure. Though, I can't hum a single tune off the album from memory, which goes back to my songwriting arguement Seriously though, I admire technically skilled musicians and think that it's cool that they can play really well. But music isn't a sport, and I can only take full-speed shredding nonsense for so long. My ranking for music goes: 1) Bands who can play really well AND write good songs 2) Bands who can write good songs 3) Bands who can play really well My favourite bands do both, my lesser favourite bands only do one, and the bands I listen to occasionally do the third. --------------- TERRORHORSE Eleven59 Your Extended Network

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10-03-2005, 03:41 PM	#832
mazafaka Relentless Bastard Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 176 Main Seven: RG7620GN Rig: Pod XTL / Peavey6505 Thanked: 0	Regarding the whole idea of complex vs. simple songs, I agree completely that a good song is just a good song. When originally bringing up Metallica, I pointed to the complex arrangements as an indicator to the level of effort they were putting into their music. Just as others have pointed out, it seems like they just don't care anymore. If they were smart, they would make an art of not caring, and write a bunch of songs about it. And regarding simple songs, look at anything by The Pixies. I mean, the lyrics make no sense, and the skill required to play any of the instruments is very low, but the songs just work. It's all related to the amount of emotion you put into the song...

10-03-2005, 06:14 PM	#838
Drew Fear the Polo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 21,333 Real Name: Call me Ahab... Main Seven: 1991 Ibanez UV7PWH Main ERG: Sherman 5-string bass Rig: Mesa Recto-verb 50 Thanked: 141	Haha, back on topic, eh? Buckethead, "Colma." Colma = awesomeness.

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