Death Magnetic - Wave Form Analysis

Trespass · 09-11-2008, 08:07 PM

First Leak waveform:

Retail wafeform:

ZeroSignal · 09-11-2008, 08:10 PM

Seriously?

SERIOUSLY?!

Esp Griffyn · 09-11-2008, 08:11 PM

Cyanide just kicked Nero WaveEditors ass!

Trespass · 09-11-2008, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esp Griffyn

Cyanide just kicked Nero WaveEditors ass!

... Its not a good thing...

Loudness war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ZeroSignal · 09-11-2008, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trespass

... Its not a good thing...

Loudness war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's just what I was thinking. It's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of and I start losing respect for artists that allow that shit to happen.

DDDorian · 09-11-2008, 08:26 PM

You have to realise that Metallica grew up as an 80s thrash band, so when it comes to modern digital recording they're probably hearing all the benefits and none of the drawbacks. Just because they lucked out on the black album doesn't mean they actually know what a good, modern production should sound like.

Esp Griffyn · 09-11-2008, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trespass

... Its not a good thing...

Loudness war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah I know all about the loudness war, but in reality this doesnt sound too bad. That shit spoiled Rush's "Vapour trails" album though, the songs were still top notch I must admit.

stuh84 · 09-11-2008, 08:34 PM

Dynamics FTL

TomAwesome · 09-11-2008, 09:02 PM

Wow. People always joke about solid bars, but hot damn... Did they just throw the compressors out the window and replace them with limiters set to brickwall at 0dB or what?

Vision · 09-11-2008, 11:50 PM

I have no clue what you guys are talking about, and its making me feel really really dumb.

Zepp88 · 09-11-2008, 11:54 PM

Holy shit that is crazy

TomAwesome · 09-11-2008, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vision

I have no clue what you guys are talking about, and its making me feel really really dumb.

There are no dynamics. Music is supposed to flow and vary in volume and dynamics. The second picture shows a waveform that is boosted and compressed so heavily that the volume is kept almost entirely consistent at max volume. Even that first waveform is ridiculously loud and compressed, but the "solid bar" waveform is something that is often joked about but rarely actually seen.

The Dark Wolf · 09-12-2008, 12:11 AM

This is what I've been going on about for the longest time, since I first heard this stuff!

I have a really good listening environment at my house, both in terms of monitors and 'phones. And this album was both A) the LOUDEST, and B) the most uber-distortion-compressed album I've ever heard. Easily. Lars' snare just goes BZZZZZTWACKZZZT! Again and again.

It's god-awful. You're saying retail is worse?

Zepp88 · 09-12-2008, 12:17 AM

They need to hook up with Flemming Rasmussen again, his production was awesome.

The Dark Wolf · 09-12-2008, 12:22 AM

^

ChaNce · 09-12-2008, 12:26 AM

I have a feeling that we will look back at this album as the high water mark of the Loudness Wars. I don't think anyone ever thought they would see a solid bar.

Ever.

The Dark Wolf · 09-12-2008, 12:29 AM

This album is almost twice as loud (relatively) as 'Sacrament', from LoG. Itself a new, very compressed album. But it sounds like friggin' the London Philharmonic in comparison! At least from what I've heard.

And I even heard a high quality rip. (320kbps)

Scootman1911 · 09-12-2008, 12:35 AM

Holy mother of god. Please tell me that this isn't true.

Variant · 09-12-2008, 12:51 AM

You guys needed to open this thing up in a waveform editor to figure out it was compressed out to shit? First time I heard the song, it was obvious, even through the fact that radio stations max/flat-line broadcast stuff. The instruments (drums, in particular) have that "held at the ceiling" sound all over it.

darren · 09-12-2008, 12:58 AM

God, that's just awful.

MerlinTKD · 09-12-2008, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaNce

I have a feeling that we will look back at this album as the high water mark of the Loudness Wars.

Makes me want to go listen to "When the Levee Breaks" for all sorts of reasons.

Thomas · 09-12-2008, 03:36 AM

This is just unbelievable.

One of the most successful and influential bands ever, and they release an album with broken production. This is inexcusable.

Harry · 09-12-2008, 03:37 AM

I already didn't plan to buy this album... this really put the nail in the coffin.
I have literally never seen a solid bar wave form in my life.... it's almost sickening really

thesimo · 09-12-2008, 03:47 AM

that waveform is completely ridiculous. Pretty much makes buying a high end audio system pointless when its already like that.
Not that I was going to buy it anyway but that's just obscene!

Metal Ken · 09-12-2008, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas

and they release an lbum with broken production

...again.

09-11-2008, 08:07 PM	#1
Trespass AEADGBEA Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 2,059 Thanked: 123	Death Magnetic - Wave Form Analysis First Leak waveform: Retail wafeform: __________________ Pseudo-Jazz Sophisticate -The 7 and ERG Chord Melody [Jazz] Thread- "If Stravinsky's music is that of the Earth, then Meshuggah's music is that of the Machine"

09-11-2008, 08:34 PM	#8
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09-11-2008, 09:02 PM	#9
TomAwesome I LIKE JUICE!!! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 7,639 Thanked: 40	Wow. People always joke about solid bars, but hot damn... Did they just throw the compressors out the window and replace them with limiters set to brickwall at 0dB or what? __________________ "Tom, you're like 1 part a serious dork, and 2 parts the most awesome fucking guy ever." -

09-11-2008, 11:54 PM	#11
Zepp88 Arktanian Diplomat Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: A Technological Deadzone Posts: 10,362 Thanked: 92	Holy shit that is crazy __________________ http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/off...-org-chat.html Withersoul - Monolithic Epic Doom Metal M.W. Tremblay - Needs readers!

09-12-2008, 12:11 AM	#13
The Dark Wolf *Canis lupis obscurus* Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toledo, Ohio. USA Posts: 15,477 Thanked: 94	This is what I've been going on about for the longest time, since I first heard this stuff! I have a really good listening environment at my house, both in terms of monitors and 'phones. And this album was both A) the LOUDEST, and B) the most uber-distortion-compressed album I've ever heard. Easily. Lars' snare just goes BZZZZZTWACKZZZT! Again and again. It's god-awful. You're saying retail is worse? __________________ http://www.wolf.org

09-11-2008, 08:11 PM	#3
Esp Griffyn Fender YJM player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nürburgring Nordschleife Posts: 2,748 Thanked: 21	Cyanide just kicked Nero WaveEditors ass!

09-11-2008, 08:26 PM	#6
DDDorian Mantis Toboggan, M.D • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Middle of nowhere, Australia Posts: 4,115 Thanked: 218	You have to realise that Metallica grew up as an 80s thrash band, so when it comes to modern digital recording they're probably hearing all the benefits and none of the drawbacks. Just because they lucked out on the black album doesn't mean they actually know what a good, modern production should sound like.

09-11-2008, 11:50 PM	#10
Vision ss.org Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Tyler, Texas Posts: 386 Thanked: 11	I have no clue what you guys are talking about, and its making me feel really really dumb.

09-12-2008, 12:17 AM	#14
Zepp88 Arktanian Diplomat Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: A Technological Deadzone Posts: 10,362 Thanked: 92	They need to hook up with Flemming Rasmussen again, his production was awesome. __________________ http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/off...-org-chat.html Withersoul - Monolithic Epic Doom Metal M.W. Tremblay - Needs readers!

09-12-2008, 12:22 AM	#15
The Dark Wolf *Canis lupis obscurus* Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toledo, Ohio. USA Posts: 15,477 Thanked: 94	^ __________________ http://www.wolf.org

09-12-2008, 12:26 AM	#16
ChaNce ss.org Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 349 Thanked: 7	I have a feeling that we will look back at this album as the high water mark of the Loudness Wars. I don't think anyone ever thought they would see a solid bar. Ever. __________________ Van Hagar was a musical genius, a monster drummer, a competent bass player, and a brilliant singer. Van Halen was a musical genius, a monster drummer, a competent bass player, and a male stripper.

09-12-2008, 12:29 AM	#17
The Dark Wolf *Canis lupis obscurus* Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toledo, Ohio. USA Posts: 15,477 Thanked: 94	This album is almost twice as loud (relatively) as 'Sacrament', from LoG. Itself a new, very compressed album. But it sounds like friggin' the London Philharmonic in comparison! At least from what I've heard. And I even heard a high quality rip. (320kbps) __________________ http://www.wolf.org

09-12-2008, 12:35 AM	#18
Scootman1911 ss.org Regular Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Newberg, Oregon Posts: 383 Thanked: 2	Holy mother of god. Please tell me that this isn't true.

09-12-2008, 12:51 AM	#19
Variant futuremetal Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 4,605 Thanked: 60	You guys needed to open this thing up in a waveform editor to figure out it was compressed out to shit? First time I heard the song, it was obvious, even through the fact that radio stations max/flat-line broadcast stuff. The instruments (drums, in particular) have that "held at the ceiling" sound all over it.

09-12-2008, 12:58 AM	#20
darren Decibel Guitars Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Greater Toronto Area, Canada Posts: 10,457 Thanked: 63	God, that's just awful. __________________ http://decibelguitars.com http://twitter.com/decibelguitars

09-12-2008, 03:36 AM	#22
Thomas Stranger Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: My secluded, little space Posts: 1,150 Thanked: 17 $Thomas is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Thomas is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Thomas is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Thomas is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Thomas is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Thomas is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Thomas is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	This is just unbelievable. One of the most successful and influential bands ever, and they release an album with broken production. This is inexcusable. __________________ Don't tell me what I can't do.

09-12-2008, 03:37 AM	#23
Harry Doom man of Doom. Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Greater Melbourne metropolitan area, Australia Posts: 7,482 Thanked: 55	I already didn't plan to buy this album... this really put the nail in the coffin. I have literally never seen a solid bar wave form in my life.... it's almost sickening really

09-12-2008, 03:47 AM	#24
thesimo ss.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,237 Thanked: 2	that waveform is completely ridiculous. Pretty much makes buying a high end audio system pointless when its already like that. Not that I was going to buy it anyway but that's just obscene!

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