Death Magnetic - Wave Form Analysis

Mr. S · 09-12-2008, 06:06 AM

wow, thats fucking mad

Deschain · 09-12-2008, 06:36 AM

*runs off in tears*

Thomas · 09-12-2008, 06:38 AM

Re-Mix or Remaster Death Magnetic!.-.Online Petition

Pauly · 09-12-2008, 06:46 AM

That's hilarious, and not in a positive way.

Ror3h · 09-12-2008, 07:09 AM

I'm not really interested in Metallica's music, let alone all the hype around the "new album" (which to me just sounds like the same old shit they've been doing for years).

But after seeing this thread and people saying that the mix is awful, I had to download it and see for myself.

My God! This is the worst recorded, mixed, and just god damn awful mastering on almost any album I've ever heard. The only stuff I've heard that's worse is stuff from kids who are learning how to mix etc (which of course is perfectly fine for someone like that), but from a professional band, using pro studios, and (supposedly) engineers who know what they're doing? It's just stupid. Even if this were from an unknown band I'd still think this was awful, but from a band as big as Metallica? Well, it just makes me laugh. Anyone in their right mind could record, mix and master something for a tiny budget, and it would still sound far better than this.
/endrant

HeavyMetal4Ever · 09-12-2008, 08:01 AM

New Metallica = ear pain.

My question is, was everyone involved in the production of Death Magnetic completely deaf?

I just can't believe that ANYONE thinks that it sounds good, but then again, i'm not Rick Rubin.

I think i'll administer some Carcass to soothe my damaged eardrums.

Rock on!

TimSE · 09-12-2008, 08:31 AM

what...!?

Emperoff · 09-12-2008, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pauly

That's hilarious, and not in a positive way.

Just what I thought, specially about the second pic

MerlinTKD · 09-12-2008, 09:35 AM

Blows me away that Rick Rubin did this, the same guy that did incredible jobs through his career, especially Johnny Cash's American Songs albums. Hard to believe.

Of course, I recognize now that he must have come very close to this on Linkin Park's Minutes to Midnight, as well... I don't think it pushes the envelope quite as badly, but it definitely has that same flat sound and lack of audible dynamics.

And here I thought he was purposefully going for a retro, mono vibe.

garthfluff · 09-12-2008, 10:20 AM

Whats the point in owning audiophile gear when people are starting to put out crap like this?

astrocreep · 09-12-2008, 10:31 AM

How long before we have an underground market in leaked non mastered albums because they actually sound better?!?

Tiger · 09-12-2008, 12:01 PM

As long as Metallica keeps making records people will keep finding linchpins to complain about.

Groff · 09-12-2008, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

This is what I've been going on about for the longest time, since I first heard this stuff!

I have a really good listening environment at my house, both in terms of monitors and 'phones. And this album was both A) the LOUDEST, and B) the most uber-distortion-compressed album I've ever heard. Easily. Lars' snare just goes BZZZZZTWACKZZZT! Again and again.

It's god-awful. You're saying retail is worse?

It's terrible! I actually enjoyed a lot of songs on the album, but I cringe everytime they hit bit palm mutes, or lars does accents on his snare... Fucking bullshit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiger

As long as Metallica keeps making records people will keep finding linchpins to complain about.

No, you see... I actually like this CD, but the fact that it clips into a muddy distorted mess is absolutely inexcusable.

rob_l · 09-12-2008, 12:13 PM

Too many plug ins and too much time on their hands. Waves MaxxVolume FTL!! Ugghh.

Lars' bass drums have sounded like a wet pillow being smacked with mashed potatoes ever since Justice. Straight downhill on the express train ever since. Power-flush toilet to ShitsBurg.....

Tiger · 09-12-2008, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMissing

No, you see... I actually like this CD, but the fact that it clips into a muddy distorted mess is absolutely inexcusable.

Yea I know, its like being married to an ungrateful wife who complains about the wrong colored Porsche you bought her.

EDIT: actually in Metallica's case its more like the Geo Tracker you bought her, but still.

HorseCalledWar · 09-12-2008, 12:18 PM

I just went out and bought the album - and damn, is it LOUD! I threw on some Annihilator afterwards, and it was about half the volume. It sounds compressed as hell, but the actual songs are really good (IMO), at least.

Lee · 09-12-2008, 12:27 PM

What ever happened to having an album sound good as opposed to being just bloody loud?

oompa · 09-12-2008, 12:31 PM

omg! first album to beat Strapping Young Lad's levels then

pic of random newer syl song:

and loudness wars suck. for those who dont know, here is what an older recording looks like, this case a track known by everyone, Paranoid by Black Sabbath from 1970:

what you see here is a healthy waveform, one that leaves room for dynamics in volume, you can for example see how after the guitar intro that is kinda low volume, it gets louder as the rest of the band kicks in. the two different pictures the song produces are the two channels (top left, bottom right). as you might know, the guitar intro is only played on the left channel, wich you can see here, the lower graph (right channel) is "quiet".

Cancer · 09-12-2008, 12:34 PM

My bandmate got a leaked copy of this, and I heard it in his car, and while I liked the riffs I remember thinking "this sounds....funny", and I really only listened to it for like ....30 seconds, so I didn't think much of it. Especially considering that it was a leaked copy

Now I get it.

It's on sale for Hot Topic for 5$, but as far as I'm concerned it can stay there. The brief glimmer of hope I had for this album has all been squashed (pun intended). 5 years, millions of dollars in production, god knows how many committee meetings ...for this.

No.

The Dark Wolf · 09-12-2008, 01:44 PM

I knew this was the finished product. I just knew it.

Decent album, but the production. God.

D-EJ915 · 09-12-2008, 01:51 PM

holy shit

that's almost solid

the.godfather · 09-12-2008, 01:53 PM

I'm listening to the album now and I've had to turn down my master volume. And I haven't that in years. It's fucking rediculous.

The mixing/production in general (volume aside) is plain fucking awful. It's all just one big fuzzy mess in places.

lucasreis · 09-12-2008, 02:02 PM

I also think it´s stupid to make a record that loud...

Now I know why something isn´t right about the sound of this album. The production sucks and my ears get tired when I listen to it. Yeah, they do, even with way heavier and non-accessible stuff I don´t get tired listening to it, but Death Magnetic gets me tired quickly. I could never listen to more than 4 tracks in a row.

The producers nowadays are stupid.

There is a reason why the VOLUME button exists. We can make the music loud without losing the dynamics just by raising the volume on our stereos and systems.

Bring FLEMMING RASMUSSEN back Metallica! And use your older distortion.

cow 7 sig · 09-12-2008, 02:29 PM

ok so its not my stereo settings then

on a small positive i like the songs

jacksonplayer · 09-12-2008, 03:06 PM

How is that Metallica can't seem to make a moderately good-sounding album while all those bands on labels like Nuclear Blast can make great-sounding metal albums on budgets that probably wouldn't have covered Metallica's catering bill? Are they all deaf or something?

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09-12-2008, 07:09 AM	#30
Ror3h ss.org Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 702 Thanked: 7	I'm not really interested in Metallica's music, let alone all the hype around the "new album" (which to me just sounds like the same old shit they've been doing for years). But after seeing this thread and people saying that the mix is awful, I had to download it and see for myself. My God! This is the worst recorded, mixed, and just god damn awful mastering on almost any album I've ever heard. The only stuff I've heard that's worse is stuff from kids who are learning how to mix etc (which of course is perfectly fine for someone like that), but from a professional band, using pro studios, and (supposedly) engineers who know what they're doing? It's just stupid. Even if this were from an unknown band I'd still think this was awful, but from a band as big as Metallica? Well, it just makes me laugh. Anyone in their right mind could record, mix and master something for a tiny budget, and it would still sound far better than this. /endrant __________________ My music page.

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Deschain ss.org Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cheltenham, UK. Posts: 217 Thanked: 2 / 1	runs off in tears

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HeavyMetal4Ever ss.org Regular Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Newcastle, Australia Posts: 146 Thanked: 4 / 1	New Metallica = ear pain. My question is, was everyone involved in the production of Death Magnetic completely deaf? I just can't believe that ANYONE thinks that it sounds good, but then again, i'm not Rick Rubin. I think i'll administer some Carcass to soothe my damaged eardrums. Rock on!

09-12-2008, 09:35 AM	#34
MerlinTKD 7-String Drummer! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 2,552 Thanked: 20	Blows me away that Rick Rubin did this, the same guy that did incredible jobs through his career, especially Johnny Cash's American Songs albums. Hard to believe. Of course, I recognize now that he must have come very close to this on Linkin Park's Minutes to Midnight, as well... I don't think it pushes the envelope quite as badly, but it definitely has that same flat sound and lack of audible dynamics. And here I thought he was purposefully going for a retro, mono vibe. __________________ Mer7in / Anonimosity Music @ Myspace Facebook SoundClick Courage is the most important of all the virtues, because without courage you can't practice any other virtue consistently. You can practice any virtue erratically, but nothing consistently without courage. ~ Maya Angelou I like a little rebellion now and then. It's like a storm in the atmosphere. ~ Thomas Jefferson

09-12-2008, 10:20 AM	#35
garthfluff Heavy Metal Machine Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 270 Thanked: 7	Whats the point in owning audiophile gear when people are starting to put out crap like this?

09-12-2008, 10:31 AM	#36
astrocreep ss.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 314 Thanked: 0	How long before we have an underground market in leaked non mastered albums because they actually sound better?!?

09-12-2008, 12:01 PM	#37
Tiger Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Columbia, South Carolina Posts: 1,050 Thanked: 52	As long as Metallica keeps making records people will keep finding linchpins to complain about. __________________ soundclick.com/iechine www.iechine.com The sanctity of this place has been fouled.

09-12-2008, 12:13 PM	#39
rob_l ss.org Regular Join Date: May 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 477 Thanked: 71	Too many plug ins and too much time on their hands. Waves MaxxVolume FTL!! Ugghh. Lars' bass drums have sounded like a wet pillow being smacked with mashed potatoes ever since Justice. Straight downhill on the express train ever since. Power-flush toilet to ShitsBurg.....

09-12-2008, 12:18 PM	#41
HorseCalledWar ss.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 28 Thanked: 5 / 1	I just went out and bought the album - and damn, is it LOUD! I threw on some Annihilator afterwards, and it was about half the volume. It sounds compressed as hell, but the actual songs are really good (IMO), at least.

09-12-2008, 12:27 PM	#42
Lee Above Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 1,368 Thanked: 25	What ever happened to having an album sound good as opposed to being just bloody loud?

09-12-2008, 12:31 PM	#43
oompa Ze.. Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden.. The Pines.. They're Everywhere! Posts: 1,158 Thanked: 26	omg! first album to beat Strapping Young Lad's levels then pic of random newer syl song: and loudness wars suck. for those who dont know, here is what an older recording looks like, this case a track known by everyone, Paranoid by Black Sabbath from 1970: what you see here is a healthy waveform, one that leaves room for dynamics in volume, you can for example see how after the guitar intro that is kinda low volume, it gets louder as the rest of the band kicks in. the two different pictures the song produces are the two channels (top left, bottom right). as you might know, the guitar intro is only played on the left channel, wich you can see here, the lower graph (right channel) is "quiet". __________________ Eat Shit. Billions of flies can't be wrong.

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Cancer Cancer:The Crucifuct Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 2,814 Thanked: 18	My bandmate got a leaked copy of this, and I heard it in his car, and while I liked the riffs I remember thinking "this sounds....funny", and I really only listened to it for like ....30 seconds, so I didn't think much of it. Especially considering that it was a leaked copy Now I get it. It's on sale for Hot Topic for 5$, but as far as I'm concerned it can stay there. The brief glimmer of hope I had for this album has all been squashed (pun intended). 5 years, millions of dollars in production, god knows how many committee meetings ...for this. No. __________________ Cancer:the Crucifuct Myspace Machines Of Living Death Myspace

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The Dark Wolf *Canis lupis obscurus* Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toledo, Ohio. USA Posts: 15,488 Thanked: 94	I knew this was the finished product. I just knew it. Decent album, but the production. God. __________________ http://www.wolf.org

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D-EJ915 <3's Tsukasa Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 18,638 Thanked: 218	holy shit that's almost solid __________________ əBCAir

09-12-2008, 01:53 PM	#47
the.godfather Mr. Flibble Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East London, UK Posts: 1,303 Thanked: 2	I'm listening to the album now and I've had to turn down my master volume. And I haven't that in years. It's fucking rediculous. The mixing/production in general (volume aside) is plain fucking awful. It's all just one big fuzzy mess in places.

09-12-2008, 02:02 PM	#48
lucasreis siersacul Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: São Paulo, Brazil Posts: 1,030 Thanked: 13	I also think it´s stupid to make a record that loud... Now I know why something isn´t right about the sound of this album. The production sucks and my ears get tired when I listen to it. Yeah, they do, even with way heavier and non-accessible stuff I don´t get tired listening to it, but Death Magnetic gets me tired quickly. I could never listen to more than 4 tracks in a row. The producers nowadays are stupid. There is a reason why the VOLUME button exists. We can make the music loud without losing the dynamics just by raising the volume on our stereos and systems. Bring FLEMMING RASMUSSEN back Metallica! And use your older distortion.

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