432 Hz

olsta · 05-25-2008, 10:29 PM

Fellow brothers and sisters

It is my honour to present this information to you.

432Hz

Its true, it does sound and feel better, brighter (yet a bit lower) , sustains more.

I implore you, if you have a tuner that goes to 432 Hz, please try it.

My 7 came to life. clean or distorted to hell, it doesnt matter.

ibznorange · 05-25-2008, 10:39 PM

Hrm. i actually use 444hz, just cause i sorta did it by accident, and it stuck

ill try it out sometime. i dunno if it will make a huge difference though

D-EJ915 · 05-25-2008, 10:45 PM

cool stuff, I'll get a better tuner sometime and check it out

Metaljim · 05-26-2008, 01:38 AM

My tuner goes to 432Hz. I'm going to try it out later.

Durero · 05-26-2008, 02:06 AM

I definitely support the idea of being free to experiment with tunings and changing your reference pitch.

If tuning down to 432 sounds better to anyones taste they should go for it.

But the reasons given on that site are utter nonsense to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 432Hz

In 1939 Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels dictated 440Hz as the standard tuning pitch. This to let people think and feel in a certain manner, and to keep them a prisoner of a certain consciousness. This in spite of that Professor Dussaut from the Paris Conservatory wrote a referendum that was signed by 23,000 French musicians who all were for the preservation of the A= 432Hz

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

In 1936, an international conference recommended that the A above middle C be tuned to 440 Hz. This standard was taken up by the International Organization for Standardization in 1955 (and was reaffirmed by them in 1975) as ISO 16. Since then it has served as the audio frequency reference for the calibration of pianos, violins, and other musical instruments.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 432Hz

Music on a basis tone of A=432Hz is more transparent, more marked, clearer, gives an obvious musical picture and the Overtones and undertones moves more freely and can multiply themselves more. Music based on 440Hz represents emotions and locks up the head. By lowering the pitch 440Hz - 8Hz to 432Hz, the music changes. Which first was painful to the ear changes into a beautiful, warm music whereby relaxation is natural. Overtones are decisive for the sound, this holds for instruments as well as the human voice. The piano tuned in A= 440Hz creates an artificial clarity and strengthens the high stress levels of today. The instruments on which Mozart and Verdi composed their masterpieces were in 432Hz -is the same as C=256Hz- pitched. The original Stadivarius violin was developed to resonate at 432Hz.

Again, if whoever wrote this finds these subjective qualities to be true for them then fine, but claiming those qualities are universal is nonsense imo.

DefinedInSilere · 05-26-2008, 02:15 AM

I agree with Durero, that is very subjective. To each their own, but this wouldn't work when playing with synth instruments or standard piano.

Mind controlling 440Hz conspiracy theory anyone?

NegaTiveXero · 05-26-2008, 02:21 AM

What if I don't want my music to be warm and relaxing?

Besides, I listened to that crappy Bobby dude's music that they links to and it kinda made me feel angry, not relaxed.

DefinedInSilere · 05-26-2008, 02:34 AM

We hear A as 440 and 432 seems a bit flat to our ears. I think some hear this and think about it too hard. This link was really cool though. Summary

anyone here about the violinist playing sub-harmonics?

ibznorange · 05-26-2008, 02:35 AM

Durero, my thoughts exactly. youre just way more vocal about it

its really like tuning, and being a bit flat is all. i dont see how it would make a huge difference. Other than it just sounding better to your ear (i prefer the sound of a C# ot that of an E), i dont see there being an actual resonance difference. I mean, the resonant peaks of 2 similar pieces of mahogany vary enough to make that non viable

Naren · 05-26-2008, 02:45 AM

Durero, I agree 100%.

I thought that what the guy was saying was absolute nonsense. If you prefer 432 to 440, then use it, but don't believe that guy's rambling:

Quote:

Music on a basis tone of A=432Hz is more transparent, more marked, clearer, gives an obvious musical picture and the Overtones and undertones moves more freely and can multiply themselves more. Music based on 440Hz represents emotions and locks up the head. By lowering the pitch 440Hz - 8Hz to 432Hz, the music changes.

olsta · 05-26-2008, 02:49 AM

thats fair enough,

just spreading the knowledge amigos

432 is the natural resonance of the body (and other things), 440 hz is not liked by many singers because over time 440 can tear vocal chords, many opera singers sing in 432 as it is the natural pitch.

Stradivarius violins were crafted to 432 hz.

Drache713 · 05-26-2008, 03:35 AM

What I would like to hear is the A=432 hz reference pitch used in an aggressive, fast, heavy (read: metal) context. All the clips I have listened to have been mellow styles and it worked fine for those, but how does it work in a heavy and aggressive context? That's what I want to know.

olsta · 05-26-2008, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drache713

What I would like to hear is the A=432 hz reference pitch used in an aggressive, fast, heavy (read: metal) context. All the clips I have listened to have been mellow styles and it worked fine for those, but how does it work in a heavy and aggressive context? That's what I want to know.

- Music

there you go bud, Lacuna coil is on there

Drache713 · 05-26-2008, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olsta

- Music

there you go bud, Lacuna coil is on there

That wasn't exactly what I had in mind...

dark yes, but that's in a sludgier gothic sense, not what I was really talking about. My gut instinct would be that this 432 reference wouldn't be as effective or noticable on more aggressive faster songs.

olsta · 05-26-2008, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drache713

That wasn't exactly what I had in mind...

dark yes, but that's in a sludgier gothic sense, not what I was really talking about. My gut instinct would be that this 432 reference wouldn't be as effective or noticable on more aggressive faster songs.

yeah its noticeable even on ear melting distortion and multiple guitars.

lol sorry that was the only link that didnt have mellow music on it

Metal Ken · 05-26-2008, 04:19 AM

FWIW, Candlemass' first disc was Eb where A=423. (Twenty three, i'm not typoing)

Durero · 05-26-2008, 06:32 AM

With respect for your enthusiasm for this tuning olsta - I love seeing musicians (and people in general) questioning given standards and exploring alternatives - I don't buy the reasons you're listing here. But again, if you simply prefer 432Hz to anything else that's totally cool

Quote:

Originally Posted by olsta

432 is the natural resonance of the body (and other things)

Who's body and which body part? I can't think of any examples of physical resonance in the body which would be the same frequency in two different people.

Quote:

Originally Posted by olsta

440 hz is not liked by many singers because over time 440 can tear vocal chords,

Yes 440 is a tiny bit higher than 432 so it could be a tiny bit harder on vocal chords when singers are singing at the top of their range, but by that reasoning anything lower than 432 would be even better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by olsta

many opera singers sing in 432 as it is the natural pitch.

How is it natural?

Quote:

Originally Posted by olsta

Stradivarius violins were crafted to 432 hz.

Stradivarious far predated any pitch standardization and fixed pitch instruments from that time (organs, pitchpipes) have been found to vary anywhere from 380Hz - 480Hz, do you know of any evidence for this claim?

The linked articles in this thread mention Rudolph Steiner (Rudolf Steiner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) as being a proponent of 432Hz. If Steiner said 432Hz is good for some kind of mystical reasons then I'm open to that idea, even if only because I've experienced first-hand the products of the type of farming he developed (bio-dynamic) and he certainly knew what he was doing in that area.

Naren · 05-26-2008, 06:44 AM

^Another excellent post by Durero.

Good points on everything.

There is nothing magical about 432 Hz. Also, 432 Hz is only the designation for one note. Does making the A above middle C 432 Hz suddenly make all notes relative to that mystically beautiful?

And, if 432 Hz is the "natural resonance of the body," then I guess the body only resonates when you play the A above middle C at 432 Hz.

stuh84 · 05-26-2008, 06:48 AM

Given that guitars all have different construction, made from different woods etc, it is INCREDIBLY unlikely that they all resonate at 432hz. I think the original poster needs to look into resonant frequencies.

darren · 05-26-2008, 07:42 AM

I highly doubt that ANY instrument can be "built to resonate at XXX Hz". If your instrument was designed to resonate at a particular frequency, that one note would either sound amazing or shit.

keithb · 05-26-2008, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darren

I highly doubt that ANY instrument can be "built to resonate at XXX Hz". If your instrument was designed to resonate at a particular frequency, that one note would either sound amazing or shit.

Indeed. This sort of resonance results in wolf tones, which instrument makers usually strive to avoid.

cev · 05-26-2008, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Music on a basis tone of A=432Hz is more transparent, more marked, clearer, gives an obvious musical picture and the Overtones and undertones moves more freely and can multiply themselves more.

Wow, total epic fail. What the hell does this even mean? Seriously, I'm trying to critique this statement but it's so nonsensical that anything I can write just sounds retarded too.

I mean, if you prefer the sound of A432, I've got no problem with that, but pretty much everything written on that page is total BS.

newamerikangospel · 05-26-2008, 01:06 PM

A man was once told that his practicing medicine was "full of snake oil"

He responded with, "Snake oil is full of omega 3 fatty acids"

Its all in the "ear" of the beholder, as it were.

darren · 05-26-2008, 03:28 PM

It sounds like it could be an excerpt from Tone Secrets "They" Don't Want You To Know About by Kevin Trudeau.

Lots of people like the sound and feel of instruments when they're tuned a little lower than "standard" tuning. Look at the number of players who have recorded and play live tuned down a half step or a whole step. And of course, the trend toward playing guitars with seven, eight or more strings, to enhance the tonal range of the instrument. I don't think there's anything magic about the A=432 Hz tuning.

thedonutman · 05-26-2008, 03:51 PM

I got the two Lacuna Coil tracks and cut them up randomly on Cubase, so its sometimes 432 and sometimes 440

432test.mp3 - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

Listen/watch for yourself.

Personally, I can't notice any difference in tone, I just think it sounds a little out of tune now and again. Maybe I'm just not at that stage of musical understanding where I can appreciate stuff like this......

05-25-2008, 10:29 PM	#1
olsta ss.org Regular Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 127 Thanked: 6 / 1	432 Hz Fellow brothers and sisters It is my honour to present this information to you. 432Hz Its true, it does sound and feel better, brighter (yet a bit lower) , sustains more. I implore you, if you have a tuner that goes to 432 Hz, please try it. My 7 came to life. clean or distorted to hell, it doesnt matter. __________________ CLAIM THE THRONE Current Arsenal Ibanez RG 7321 with Custom Seymour Duncans

05-25-2008, 10:39 PM	#2
ibznorange Chief Officer/RHLC © Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 8,349 Thanked: 60	Hrm. i actually use 444hz, just cause i sorta did it by accident, and it stuck ill try it out sometime. i dunno if it will make a huge difference though __________________ Reverse Headstocks or Bust ALL HEIL THE ADMINISHREDDER!

05-25-2008, 10:45 PM	#3
D-EJ915 <3's Tsukasa Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 18,721 Thanked: 219	cool stuff, I'll get a better tuner sometime and check it out __________________ əBCAir

05-26-2008, 02:15 AM	#6
DefinedInSilere ss.org Regular Join Date: May 2008 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 48 Thanked: 2 / 1	I agree with Durero, that is very subjective. To each their own, but this wouldn't work when playing with synth instruments or standard piano. Mind controlling 440Hz conspiracy theory anyone? __________________ RIP Chuck Schuldiner, Vitek, and Shawn Lane.

05-26-2008, 02:21 AM	#7
NegaTiveXero Fuck Your Face! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cold Spring, Ky Posts: 3,144 Thanked: 22	What if I don't want my music to be warm and relaxing? Besides, I listened to that crappy Bobby dude's music that they links to and it kinda made me feel angry, not relaxed. __________________ Ibanez RG7620BK w/ DMZ Evolution 7 and Liquifire 7 Mesa Dual Rectifier 2 Channel My band Scarangella

05-26-2008, 01:38 AM	#4
Metaljim ss.org Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Livermore, CA Posts: 487 Thanked: 4	My tuner goes to 432Hz. I'm going to try it out later.

05-26-2008, 02:34 AM	#8
DefinedInSilere ss.org Regular Join Date: May 2008 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 48 Thanked: 2 / 1	We hear A as 440 and 432 seems a bit flat to our ears. I think some hear this and think about it too hard. This link was really cool though. Summary anyone here about the violinist playing sub-harmonics? __________________ RIP Chuck Schuldiner, Vitek, and Shawn Lane.

05-26-2008, 02:35 AM	#9
ibznorange Chief Officer/RHLC © Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 8,349 Thanked: 60	Durero, my thoughts exactly. youre just way more vocal about it its really like tuning, and being a bit flat is all. i dont see how it would make a huge difference. Other than it just sounding better to your ear (i prefer the sound of a C# ot that of an E), i dont see there being an actual resonance difference. I mean, the resonant peaks of 2 similar pieces of mahogany vary enough to make that non viable __________________ Reverse Headstocks or Bust ALL HEIL THE ADMINISHREDDER!

05-26-2008, 02:49 AM	#11
olsta ss.org Regular Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 127 Thanked: 6 / 1	thats fair enough, just spreading the knowledge amigos 432 is the natural resonance of the body (and other things), 440 hz is not liked by many singers because over time 440 can tear vocal chords, many opera singers sing in 432 as it is the natural pitch. Stradivarius violins were crafted to 432 hz. __________________ CLAIM THE THRONE Current Arsenal Ibanez RG 7321 with Custom Seymour Duncans Last edited by olsta; 05-26-2008 at 03:14 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

05-26-2008, 03:35 AM	#12
Drache713 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 1,450 Thanked: 16	What I would like to hear is the A=432 hz reference pitch used in an aggressive, fast, heavy (read: metal) context. All the clips I have listened to have been mellow styles and it worked fine for those, but how does it work in a heavy and aggressive context? That's what I want to know. __________________ Fuck it, you only live once! Personal Myspace page Band Myspace page

05-26-2008, 04:19 AM	#16
Metal Ken Hates the Air • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 17,841 Thanked: 81	FWIW, Candlemass' first disc was Eb where A=423. (Twenty three, i'm not typoing) __________________ Since the Bible and the church are obviously mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust them to tell us where we are going? Didn't you say... Jesus was coming?

05-26-2008, 06:44 AM	#18
Naren OldschoolGhettostyle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tokyo Posts: 12,811 Thanked: 49	^Another excellent post by Durero. Good points on everything. There is nothing magical about 432 Hz. Also, 432 Hz is only the designation for one note. Does making the A above middle C 432 Hz suddenly make all notes relative to that mystically beautiful? And, if 432 Hz is the "natural resonance of the body," then I guess the body only resonates when you play the A above middle C at 432 Hz.

05-26-2008, 06:48 AM	#19
stuh84 The Viking himself Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sheffield, UK Posts: 3,719 Thanked: 37 $stuh84 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $stuh84 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $stuh84 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $stuh84 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $stuh84 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $stuh84 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $stuh84 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	Given that guitars all have different construction, made from different woods etc, it is INCREDIBLY unlikely that they all resonate at 432hz. I think the original poster needs to look into resonant frequencies. __________________ End Of Eternity - Symphonic Prog Metal from the UK ¯\(°_o)/¯

05-26-2008, 07:42 AM	#20
darren Decibel Guitars Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Greater Toronto Area, Canada Posts: 10,457 Thanked: 62	I highly doubt that ANY instrument can be "built to resonate at XXX Hz". If your instrument was designed to resonate at a particular frequency, that one note would either sound amazing or shit. __________________ http://decibelguitars.com http://twitter.com/decibelguitars

05-26-2008, 01:06 PM	#23
newamerikangospel Tonight.......you Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,922 Thanked: 26	A man was once told that his practicing medicine was "full of snake oil" He responded with, "Snake oil is full of omega 3 fatty acids" Its all in the "ear" of the beholder, as it were.

05-26-2008, 03:28 PM	#24
darren Decibel Guitars Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Greater Toronto Area, Canada Posts: 10,457 Thanked: 62	It sounds like it could be an excerpt from Tone Secrets "They" Don't Want You To Know About by Kevin Trudeau. Lots of people like the sound and feel of instruments when they're tuned a little lower than "standard" tuning. Look at the number of players who have recorded and play live tuned down a half step or a whole step. And of course, the trend toward playing guitars with seven, eight or more strings, to enhance the tonal range of the instrument. I don't think there's anything magic about the A=432 Hz tuning. __________________ http://decibelguitars.com http://twitter.com/decibelguitars

05-26-2008, 03:51 PM	#25
thedonutman ss.org Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,220 Thanked: 22	I got the two Lacuna Coil tracks and cut them up randomly on Cubase, so its sometimes 432 and sometimes 440 432test.mp3 - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage Listen/watch for yourself. Personally, I can't notice any difference in tone, I just think it sounds a little out of tune now and again. Maybe I'm just not at that stage of musical understanding where I can appreciate stuff like this......

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