[Randy]

Originally Posted by Mattayus

Yeah the simple fact is if you put 'core' on the end of a genres tag it's only going to attract scene kids. And as someone said earlier on in the thread, it has fuck all to do with its mix of hardcore. Metal'core' is just lazy metal, more melodic and accessible, simplified, harmonized, with the verse/chorus formation of scream/sing/scream/shout/sing. Never the less it's spouted some amazing bands. Killswitch Engage are as metalcore as it gets if you break it down, but my fucking god they're amazing, and nobody can take it away from them.
Deathcore is just a scened-up version of death metal played by people who don't actually realise what death metal is. It has an extreme facade with an emo underlay. Crazy, but again, it's produced some good bands

Some good explanation in there.

[John_Strychnine]

Misery Signals are phenominal.

[Nightcrawler]

I cant wait for metalcore to die. I really dont think its anything more but a watered down clone of mid-90's scandinavian thrash/death ie. At the Gates/In Flames. Fuck those shitty clean choruses and boring breakdowns. As far as Dethcore goes...big fail right there as well.

I think the first Black Dahlia Murder is the only metalcore record i enjoy listening to.

[Xaios]

Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

I cant wait for metalcore to die. I really dont think its anything more but a watered down clone of mid-90's scandinavian thrash/death ie. At the Gates/In Flames. Fuck those shitty clean choruses and boring breakdowns. As far as Dethcore goes...big fail right there as well.

I think the first Black Dahlia Murder is the only metalcore record i enjoy listening to.

Black Dahlia Murder have gone from being metalcore w/ hints of straight up death to being almost straight death, albeit not the greatest of DM bands, personally.

[CaptainD00M]

As a general rule of thumb anything with 'CORE' in the genre name (other than Grind) is bad news.

Metalcore is NO exception.
I look forward to its demise.

I direct people to the blog in my sig

[cgrady]

metalcore has changed a lot. earlier stuff like the first couple cave in albums were great, but the shit labeled as metalcore now is crap.

[tonyhell]

I first noticed this stuff as "all that new crap that sounds the same on Fuse". I think it's the new glam and will be looked upon as an embarrassing fad later on. I think that it will serve as a gateway for many young kids to discover some real metal and they'll later wonder why they ever liked metalcore in the first place. Grindcore is the only "core" I like and I prefer to just call it grind. In my dictionary, core=gay. So metalcore, in my dictionary, is: to make metal gay.

[arnoroth661]

This whole thread went without the old saying, huh.

Metal is like an apple, nobody likes the core.

[DDDorian]

Originally Posted by Stitch

You're a deaf and blind fool if you think The Dillinger Escape Plan are metalcore. They don't do the whole 0-0-0-0-8-8-5-5- thing and are releasing new music with each album

Personally, I wouldn't call them metalcore, but I can totally understand why they're lumped in with all the other metalcore bands; ironic, because they actually have stronger ties to hardcore than most of the other "metalcore" bands. Mastodon have even less resemblance to the "metalcore" sound, but again, it's a meaningless word, really, and I can see why it applies to them.

As for grindcore, DEP have nothing to do with it, nor do the bajillion deathcore bands. There is definitely a more modern approach to grindcore that crosses over into those scenes (Pig Destroyer, Nasum, Cattle Decapitation etc) and, surprisingly enough, some of it doesn't suck, which I can't say about pretty much any other modern take on an established genre, heh.

[John_Strychnine]

Metalcore is like any other genre, you have to sieve through the shit to find the goods bands.

yeh most metalcore sucks but there is some really well thought out metalcore too.