[Nick]

I dont agree with machinehead being bandwagon whores. They have openly admitted that they cringe at the stuff they did on burning red and supercharger. I take it the people bashing them here have never made a bad decision? Maybe they liked the nu metal stuff they were hearing and tried their hand at it. Realised it sucked and decided to go back to making straight up metal albums like before.

Their last 2 albums have been fucking fantastic, and this is coming from someone who listens to mostly death metal like nile and hate eternal.

I hate this stupid logic that anytime a metal band changes style its because they are 'going for the money' Guess what folks, THERE IS NO MONEY IN MUSIC especially not when your a bunch of ugly bastards from the bay area thrash scene.

If you dont like it fine its music afterall, but lets not go down the road of calling a band bandwagon whores just because they change style.

[halsinden]

Originally Posted by Nick

I dont agree with machinehead being bandwagon whores. They have openly admitted that they cringe at the stuff they did on burning red and supercharger. I take it the people bashing them here have never made a bad decision? Maybe they liked the nu metal stuff they were hearing and tried their hand at it. Realised it sucked and decided to go back to making straight up metal albums like before.

Their last 2 albums have been fucking fantastic, and this is coming from someone who listens to mostly death metal like nile and hate eternal.

I hate this stupid logic that anytime a metal band changes style its because they are 'going for the money' Guess what folks, THERE IS NO MONEY IN MUSIC especially not when your a bunch of ugly bastards from the bay area thrash scene.

If you dont like it fine its music afterall, but lets not go down the road of calling a band bandwagon whores just because they change style.

woah, hang on a sec chap, a few pointers to that:

1. just because someone either apologises or openly announces regret for a decision or movement they made, doesn't mean the original intention behind it changes. i have every belief (until proven wrong) that MH made the decision each time to market themselves to a younger crowd i don't care much for, which seemed confusing given their relative success as was.

2. in support of point 1 - of course i've made a bad decision, doesn't mean it wasn't was it was at the time of making it.

3. i've never once mentioned that this is about money, nor have i used the words "sell out". fame, attention and recognition is as much as a palpable drug as positive finance and for my money it's that that they were chasing.

4. changing style and diversifying or evolving are completely different things. my objection is that i've now seen 2 succinct and clearly deliberate shifts in style & musical output towards near-plagiarism in the MH camp, once to 80s pop tune covering nu-kids and rap metal apes then to floppy fringe chorus, open chord metalcore carbon copies. it saddens me, given how relatively innovative they've been in the past, to see them chase a bar set by those who they influenced themselves.

5. bananas, at the point of sale, tend to be mostly yellow.

6. rock.

7. tits.

H

[Nick]

that post wasnt directed at you my first one was.

but i will say that if you think machinehead sound emo you obviously havnt been put through the pleasure of listening to much emo.

[halsinden]

Originally Posted by Nick

that post wasnt directed at you my first one was

but i will say that if you think machinehead sound emo you obviously havnt been put through the pleasure of listening to much emo.

i know dude, i realise.

didn't say they were too emo necessarily. man, i've had all too much utterly inappropriate support acts flimping away at emo to know the beast, but it's just that i recognise far too many 'done' styles in MH's music.

meurgh, blah, y'kna?

H

[Nick]

fair enough but if we are all to be chastised for people seeing other styles in our music then we may as well all not bother making music anymore and all listen to the beatles

[halsinden]

Originally Posted by Nick

fair enough but if we are all to be chastised for people seeing other styles in our music then we may as well all not bother making music anymore and all listen to the beatles

sorry dude, no. that's influence. i won't resent influence, but i do resent a blatant 150% shift towards a style that literally was never there in the first place.

H

[Stitch]

Originally Posted by halsinden

5. bananas, at the point of sale, tend to be mostly yellow.

6. rock.

7. tits.

H

[Nick]

i dont see whats to resent, if you dont like the music dont like it . But what they did was actually the same as being influenced it just so happens they have already established themselves in a particular style.

What your saying is that they shouldnt be influenced by anything current and only look at their past releases and their favourite stuff from when they were younger, why?

I dont like either the burning red or supercharger btw, especially not supercharger.

[omentremor]

To be honest Im with Nick on this. Machine Head are one of my favourite bands, along with Death, Opeth and Cryptopsy. I avoid Supercharger and Burning Red with all that I can but I think this kind of argument comes up waay to often in relaion to solid bands who are diversifying their sound. Look at what Machine Head achieved through Supercharger etc. They went broke and were nearly finished. Through the Ashes of empires effectively saved them. I think saying that the second guitarists didnt have an influence on the material is stupid, considering where their stle has gone with each change of hands. GEE, WHAT A SHOCK, MORE THRASHY WITH PHIL DEMMEL, WHO WOULDA THUNK IT? I hear people bitching about Digimortal by Fear Factory all the time, simply cause it is different to their prior releases, a change in vocal style may mean, a change in vocal style, for no reason other than keeping the music from being stale. I think just because they are a headlinging mainstream act recieve much more flak than other bands with less of a name for themselves would. I think it's fairly obvious machine head are leading as opposed to following.

[DDDorian]

Machine Head weren't even leading in the beginning, really. I mean, Burn My Eyes wasn't a bad album by any means, but Pantera, Biohazard and Sepultura's Chaos AD had already defined that "neo-thrash" groove sound, so Machine Head were a bit too late to the party to be considered "leaders".