[siggy14]

OK first of all i see many bands i wish i didnt have to see. As to knowing if she was lip syncing, trust me she wasnt, I have been alive long enough to know the difference, played many shows back in the 80's and to honest, yes i was about ten feet away.

I am not so much defending Ashlee, althought that seems to be what it turned into, but more the fact i just cant stand it when people put down music they dont like, or make assumptions on music over a few little things they know about it.

As to seeing opeth on video form, trust me it can be cleaned up.

Originally Posted by eleven59

It's funny how you saw her live and defend her as if your feelings have been hurt and yet claim to not be a fan.

No offense dude, I used to be you back in my Jemsite days, that's why my post count there is so high, I wouldn't constantly get into full-blown arguments defending bands I liked that people bashed, until I realized it doesn't matter what other people think, and different opinions are what makes this whole music thing interesting.

One more thing: she was caught lip syncing, you saw her live and she was spot on all night...you don't see a possible connection there at all? Unless you were front row center, 10 feet away from her, I doubt you'd be able to say definitively that she wasn't lip syncing.

[Makelele]

Iron Maiden caught lip-synching:






It's shocking!!!

[Drew]

Originally Posted by Sebastian

You talking about this ?

The faux Sinatra/oldschool country vocal is hilarious. Heroin kills, kiddies.


* Drew loves Nirvana but knows a good joke when he sees it.

[siggy14]

Once again, i used Ashlee as an example, but you dont seem to pick the up. My whole big argument is about people putting down music and artists they do not know much about. Which ironicaly is what this whole thread was started for.

Originally Posted by eleven59

FYI dude, the word "fan" is a short form of "fanatic".

You say you're not a "fan" but I'd say your defense of her music is the definition of fanatical.

[eleven59]

Originally Posted by siggy14

Actually i like winger too, but to be honest I would never say anything bad about any band, because honestly I respect all music, even if it makes me cringe listening to it.

And they're not saying anything "bad" about Ashlee. They're saying they've seen videos where she was singing way out of key (and not a single video of her singing in tune where she's not clearly lip syncing, I might point out), they're saying it's manufactured pop music WHICH IT IS, and they're saying they don't personally like her music or consider her very talented.

I personally don't have a problem with manufactured pop music as, being an aspiring songwriter/producer/engineer I see the talent lurking behind the scenes, and I love a catchy tune. Hell, I actually like some of Ashlee's songs, even if I don't like her voice or personality.

But, dude, if you consider yourself a musician at all, you can't possibly deny that she is singing out of tune in the video I posted. If you don't hear it, you need to invest in a seriously good tuner for your guitars as you definitely won't be able to do it by ear (a lot of guitarists can't).

[The Dark Wolf]

"Few little things?"

Ashlee has been in the public spotlight forever, especially because of the substance and "quality" of her music, her music has been played ad nauseum on the radio, and yet you keep asserting we know little to nothing about her.

[eleven59]

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

Man, people like you are why Paris Hilton makes records.

There are honest, sincere, thoughtful, hard working musicians out there... real musicians, who struggle, and have so much to say, yet people with a catchy look and studio backing get heard. And along comes someone like you to defend it all, saying if someone points out the differences between the two, they are "narrow minded" or a "hypocrite."

Not fucking cool, man.

To be fair, a lot of those honest, sincere, thoughtful, hard working musicians are working behind the scenes writing and playing on those albums

[siggy14]

Do you not see it, this whole thread is about people making judgements about artists and groups they do not know much about. Yet they are making judgements and stupid comments, is that not being a hypocrite?

Yes people have there opinions, but when they are posting in a thread about how people make stupid comments based on there opinions, and yet they are making the same stupid opinions on another artist I have a problem with that.

Originally Posted by Chris

And people here are of the opinion that her singing sucks. What's so hard abou tthis?



I asked you to show me where someone said that every album that's popular and sells millions is crap. You did say that's what people here are saying, so show me where it's said.



You are an uninformed, closed minded hypocrite. See? Not so respectful, is it?

[Chris]

Originally Posted by siggy14

Actually i like winger too, but to be honest I would never say anything bad about any band, because honestly I respect all music, even if it makes me cringe listening to it.

You're talking to a forum full of musicians about a premade pop princess who started out with a multi million dollar budget and had a team of producers pen her an album full of songs that she wrote lyrics to. Lyrics about how much life sucks when you're loaded but your sister is prettier and more famous than you are.

I have more in common with gangsta rappers talking about how hard it is to live in the 'hood than I do with Ashlee Simpson and her "pain", and I'm a white dude who lives in the burbs. At least the rappers are talking about something legitimate.

Then, because her sister and family are famous, that album got fucktons of MTV rotation and airplay. BECAUSE OF THAT, the album sold millions of copies, because the nature of media is that people buy what's popular, unless you think 13 year old girls are out there buying albums because they appreciate the intricate musical compositions.

Given all this, I don't see where your shock and awe comes from when people on here (actual musicians!) say she sucks.

[The Dark Wolf]

Which only reinforces my point. I can't believe you don't see that, Eleven.

It's like if the world's best chef's could only have jobs at McDonalds, because they control 99% of all restaurants. A situation very analogous to the music industry, at least until very, very recently.


Chris - well said. My point exactly.