[stubhead]

Make sure you get an amp that matches your shoes....

[Lucky Seven]

For Christmas I gave my friend Kelley a Dream Theater CD. IT was "Scenes from a Memory". She was like, "Why's there one song with like 30 seconds of static at the end of it? That's so random." I told her that it was the end of a concept album. She didn't understand. I told her that you're supposed to listen to entire ALBUMS, not songs. She just didn't understand. She had a Pink Floyd shirt on, so I asked her if she liked Pink Floyd. She said "yes", to which I replied you've never REALLY listened to them have you?

Now, she's one of the best musicians I know. Pretty much a virtuoso on the trumpet and also very good at piano. She even loves Hiromi Uehara! But it always saddens me when people don't know how to listen to albums, especially when it's progressive or a concept album.

[siggy14]

I agree 100%, to write a song that is loved by millions takes a talent, it may not be the most difficult, but it takes talent.

Originally Posted by eleven59

I gotta side with budda on this one.

Anything that sells well and is successful I can usually see why it's so successful and I'd consider that a sign of talent in some aspect.

Is it necessarily technically difficult to play? No, but then music isn't a sport, it's an art.

Is it necessarily deep and meaningful? No, but then music is also intended to entertain.

Is it necessarily the style of music I'd usually listen to? No, but then music is about individual tastes.

I think the biggest issue is that a lot of times the person getting all the fame for the song is not the one deserving of the credit. I have a very low opinion of Britney Spears as a singer, dancer, and human being, but I have huge respect for her songwriters and producers, as they pump out some catchy stuff that sounds really good.

I so disagree, Yes pop stars will lipsync live, but hey i want to see you get your ass up there, dance like crazy and still be able to sing, most people, including pop stars will be out of breath, makes it hard to sing.

Pop stars, or pop in general is more about putting on a glamorous show, so sometimes you have to do things like lip sync.

Very rarely does any of the Main pop singers use studio tricks, maybe some fly by night one hit wonder, but the real ones stay big dont.

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

I agree with all of this, however, when it comes to household talents like Spears, Simpson, etc. i'll say that in most cases, they arent talented. Everyone else writes their songs, they lipsync on stage, they use serious studio tricks to even make the singer sound good ,etc. Of course, this isnt a blanket statement for ALL bands that are popular, but many times this is the case.

Now that is like comparing apples to oranges, first off large majority of people that vote are older non musicans, where mostly youth makes up what makes music popular.

Second when voting for a president you have 2 or 3 choices, mean while there countless number of bands out there to choose from.

Your statment is pointless and said out of desperation trying to justify your narrow minded thoughts.

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

We have to remember that popular consensus isn't the best indicator of quality. Look who we elected for president. Twice.

[Mattayus]

my childhood friend's gran was spanish, didn't really know an awful lot about the modern world tbh haha. we were in his kitchen once and i heard her say to him "why don't you get a spanish guitar? instead of always playing that electrical thing, u'll never learn anything that way" implying that it plays itself, due to the fact that it's 'electric'.

[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by siggy14

Now that is like comparing apples to oranges, first off large majority of people that vote are older non musicans, where mostly youth makes up what makes music popular.

Second when voting for a president you have 2 or 3 choices, mean while there countless number of bands out there to choose from.

Your statment is pointless and said out of desperation trying to justify your narrow minded thoughts.

Narrow minded? What the fuck is your problem? I listen to all kinds of shit. Fuck you.
And what does presidential candidates have to do with this? Maybe it wasn't the best analogy. Look at popular religion instead.
Look at Ashlee Simpson on Saturday night live. She got got caught lipsyncing and blamed it on her band for playing the wrong song. Then she made up excuses saying she was sick.

[Holy Katana]

Originally Posted by Aberak

Me Talking to a friend (who is a girl) about saving up for an ENGL Invader.

Her: So when are you and David (asmegin_slayer) going to start playing shows?

Me: Hopefully later this year, we both have some stuff we have to get first on top of finishing writing everything.

Her: Like what?

Me: Well I am saving up for this really badass amp but it is expensive as hell about $3,000 dollars.

Her: Wow isn't there anything else that you could get for cheaper?

Me: Ya, but this is by far the best in my opinion. It's like when you go shopping, you buy quality stuff you don't get crap do you.

Her: You know I could go out and buy a really expensive brand name purse and spend X amount of dollars or I could get a knock off and spend half that much and no one would know the difference. You should get a cheaper one no one will know the difference, it's just an amp how important is it really.

Me: (Blank stare of disgust)

Of course, her argument fails because an amp is a piece of electronic equipment, not a bag to carry shit in. Plus, counterfeit ENGLs don't exist, to my knowledge. Do counterfeit amps in general even exist?

[Mastodon]

Originally Posted by Lucky Seven

For Christmas I gave my friend Kelley a Dream Theater CD. IT was "Scenes from a Memory". She was like, "Why's there one song with like 30 seconds of static at the end of it? That's so random." I told her that it was the end of a concept album. She didn't understand. I told her that you're supposed to listen to entire ALBUMS, not songs. She just didn't understand. She had a Pink Floyd shirt on, so I asked her if she liked Pink Floyd. She said "yes", to which I replied you've never REALLY listened to them have you?

Now, she's one of the best musicians I know. Pretty much a virtuoso on the trumpet and also very good at piano. She even loves Hiromi Uehara! But it always saddens me when people don't know how to listen to albums, especially when it's progressive or a concept album.

On a related note to this, a peeve of mine is when you're riding with someone and they can't listen to a full song all the way through.

After a while you're like "What the fuck are you doing? Can we just listen to one song?"

"Well I only like the intro part"

For some reason, this generally seems to be more prevalent in females.

[siggy14]

Anyone that thinks any music is sub par to there own, or puts down any type of music is narrow minded. A certain style may not be what you like, or even care to listen too, but by no means does it make it any less important.

As to the president thing, you were the one that said. "We have to remember that popular consensus isn't the best indicator of quality. Look who we elected for president. Twice." when trying to make a point that the majority of people do not have the best taste or make the wrong choice.

And yes, she was having a throat issue and had to lip sync, but I have also seen her really sing and sound great, not everyone is always perfect or can perform 100%, would have rather had her up there sounding like shit?

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

Narrow minded? What the fuck is your problem? I listen to all kinds of shit. Fuck you.
And what does presidential candidates have to do with this? Maybe it wasn't the best analogy. Look at popular religion instead.
Look at Ashlee Simpson on Saturday night live. She got got caught lipsyncing and blamed it on her band for playing the wrong song. Then she made up excuses saying she was sick.

[The Dark Wolf]

Originally Posted by siggy14

Anyone that thinks any music is sub par to there own,

Now that's just ricockulous. That statement totally implies that there is universal quality to all music.

I call bullshit.

There's tons of music that's "sub par." Now, if you're talking ONLY stylistically, then I can more agree with you (although I can't for the life of me find much quality to modern hip hop. Rims? Bitches? What-the-fuck-ever. ).

Putting down a whole genre simply because one is unfamiliar with it, or doesn't appreciate its nuances, is kinda narrow-minded, I agree. But that doesn't mean all music is equal, or that all artists are equally valid.

[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by siggy14

Anyone that thinks any music is sub par to there own, or puts down any type of music is narrow minded. A certain style may not be what you like, or even care to listen too, but by no means does it make it any less important.

Aside from a couple of specific examples, When did i put down any genre of music or artists? I realize pop music is not what i like. There's a lot of fucking talented people in it. I'll even name a few:
Kylie Minogue. Alicia Keys. John Mayer. I Dont like their music, but god damned if they're not talented.

Originally Posted by siggy14

As to the president thing, you were the one that said. "We have to remember that popular consensus isn't the best indicator of quality. Look who we elected for president. Twice." when trying to make a point that the majority of people do not have the best taste or make the wrong choice.

The point i was trying to get at is just because a bunch of people like it doesnt indicate any inherent quality to it -- it just indicates its popular. Lots of people buy bottom of the barrel products, cause of the price. It doesnt make them GOOD but it makes them popular products. Look at McDonalds. Certainly not quality food. BUT they sell enough to have 2 stores in every square mile of the damn country.