[jaredowty]

To my ears, the DNB tone sounds like a solid state Crate with the mids scooped and the bass dimed. There's no warmth, cut, or bite to it. That's just my opinion, though. I love the TGE tone...a bit fuzzy and over-compressed, but still brutal and thick none the less. Only a master like Sneap can make a Krank sound that good. I'm really excited to see what their new album sounds like, considering Jeff's new ENGL endorsement.

[Auslander]

The problem with the sound on DNB is that the mastering, which was done using the HDCD process - High Definition Compatible Digital - made the whole thing too loud for the analogue output stage of a lot of older conventional CD players. This is a 24 bit process for encoding CDs that also play back on 16 bit systems but with the extra level that the extra 8 bits provide. I used this mastering process on a lot of albums back in the late 90s, but none of those had the amount of low end that DNB had when we tracked it, so it never occurred before (or after) DNB.

It was my call to use that process I'm afraid, and I certainly accept full responsibility for it. It doesn't distort on a lot of systems (none of mine in fact) but I have certainly heard this sound a bit woofy on some systems.

[Jerich]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
shit it is Neil Himself!!! thanks for posting!!!! the work on Aghora is amazing!! the New Tapping The Vein will be amazing too I am sure!!!

[JBroll]

Originally Posted by Auslander

The problem with the sound on DNB is that the mastering, which was done using the HDCD process - High Definition Compatible Digital - made the whole thing too loud for the analogue output stage of a lot of older conventional CD players. This is a 24 bit process for encoding CDs that also play back on 16 bit systems but with the extra level that the extra 8 bits provide. I used this mastering process on a lot of albums back in the late 90s, but none of those had the amount of low end that DNB had when we tracked it, so it never occurred before (or after) DNB.

It was my call to use that process I'm afraid, and I certainly accept full responsibility for it. It doesn't distort on a lot of systems (none of mine in fact) but I have certainly heard this sound a bit woofy on some systems.

Is it possible that we could see a redone DNB with a different system?

Jeff

[WarriorOfMetal]

Originally Posted by Auslander

The problem with the sound on DNB is that the mastering, which was done using the HDCD process - High Definition Compatible Digital - made the whole thing too loud for the analogue output stage of a lot of older conventional CD players. This is a 24 bit process for encoding CDs that also play back on 16 bit systems but with the extra level that the extra 8 bits provide. I used this mastering process on a lot of albums back in the late 90s, but none of those had the amount of low end that DNB had when we tracked it, so it never occurred before (or after) DNB.

It was my call to use that process I'm afraid, and I certainly accept full responsibility for it. It doesn't distort on a lot of systems (none of mine in fact) but I have certainly heard this sound a bit woofy on some systems.

that was unexpected!

thanks for the insight, Neil. it just struck me as very odd that what i've heard from that album sounds so distorted in the low end, with the speakers and amplifier i'm using, which are an NAD 3240PE power amp into a pair of ADS L780/2 speakers....a bit above your typical consumer-grade stuff, but also around 20 years old

i'll have to give it a listen on another system sometime, as this is the only setup i've heard this album through lately.

[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by Auslander

The problem with the sound on DNB is that the mastering, which was done using the HDCD process - High Definition Compatible Digital - made the whole thing too loud for the analogue output stage of a lot of older conventional CD players. This is a 24 bit process for encoding CDs that also play back on 16 bit systems but with the extra level that the extra 8 bits provide. I used this mastering process on a lot of albums back in the late 90s, but none of those had the amount of low end that DNB had when we tracked it, so it never occurred before (or after) DNB.

It was my call to use that process I'm afraid, and I certainly accept full responsibility for it. It doesn't distort on a lot of systems (none of mine in fact) but I have certainly heard this sound a bit woofy on some systems.

This is totally offtopic, but it says on the Auslander site you mixed/recorded Unleashed in the East from Judas Priest?

I wish to worship at the altar of the man who is responsible for bringing about the greatest live album ever.


edit: I also find it funny that you've been invovled in both Petra and Akercocke production

[JBroll]

Yeah, Unleashed and Words That Go Unspoken have each gotten three plays this week from me... that's one of the things that started bugging me when I listened to DNB a few times over, I know it wasn't because you didn't know what you were doing, so it was a whatthefuck moment as much as anything else.

On that note, aren't you working with Nevermore again?

Jeff

[eaeolian]

I see inviting Neil was a good thing.

Welcome. Now that you've joined the dark side and picked up a 7 string, you'll find this to be one of the best resources available for ERG players in general.

[noodles]

Originally Posted by Auslander

The problem with the sound on DNB is that the mastering, which was done using the HDCD process - High Definition Compatible Digital - made the whole thing too loud for the analogue output stage of a lot of older conventional CD players. This is a 24 bit process for encoding CDs that also play back on 16 bit systems but with the extra level that the extra 8 bits provide. I used this mastering process on a lot of albums back in the late 90s, but none of those had the amount of low end that DNB had when we tracked it, so it never occurred before (or after) DNB.

Ah, that makes a lot of sense. That disc never sounded quite right in my old stock car stereo, but sounded great once I upgraded the head unit and speakers. I always just assumed the old Cd player sucked (which it did).

Oh, and

Originally Posted by JBroll

On that note, aren't you working with Nevermore again?

Words cannot describe how awesome that would be, since I've come to despise the Andy Sneap sound.

[kmanick]

I kind of agree with you Dave, but one thing that I do really like is how Andy does drums.
Van's drum sound of TGE is one of the better I think I've ever heard.