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Unread 10-21-2007, 06:05 AM   #1
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Importing 7s and parts into Australia

A thread from fellow Aussie member Pirelli triggered me to start this. I know it may have limited appeal but I know there is a dedicated group of Aussies who love this site and unfortunately our location means we can't as readily join in on the sales to-and-fro as our European and American cousins. And the pricing of almost EVERY guitar component (seven string or otherwise) in this country is decidedly criminal. This is not an accusation, this is fact.

This thread is for 7 string players in Australia who would like to dip their toes in the import waters but don't know enough about it to try. I hope this helps.

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1. $1000.00 is your limit.
In Australia, if you import goods worth over $1000.00, and Customs finds out, prepare for a whole slew of charges. This will include GST (payable to Customs on behalf of the Australian Taxation Office), release charges and additional carriage charges. Needless to say this can mount up.

Just be careful of any carriage charges you incur in the country of origin...this is added as the value of the good. More info here:

http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/re...s/commer02.pdf

The document is from Y2K, but is still current.

The cool thing is, if everything is under $1000.00, you are free and clear of ANY customs costs. Don't believe those sellers based in Australia (usually based on Ebay) trying to sell cheaper o/s goods marked up and who go on about "having paid the customs duties" and "extra freight" cause it's crap.

2. Keep your invoices/invoice emails.
This sounds obvious but I am not saying it because of the possibility of you getting ripped off. I say it as if customs suspect that an item is over $1000.00, they CAN legally demand of you proof of purchase price, insurance AND postage cost. They will not release your lovely new 7 string until they have it. You have to supply this within a specified time period (I believe it is 14 days, can't remember) or then you start to owe Customs for them holding your item. The cool thing is you can just fax the stuff to them. THIS IS NOT ALWAYS ASKED FOR, so you may well not have to provide customs with any proof at all.

3. Customs documentation is crap.
If Customs want proof of the item (as above) they will post you a whole forest's worth of documentation. Some of this is pretty scary, as it asks you to register as a business, an importer, and all kinds of things that won't relate to you if you are just after that COW 7 you've always wanted. It can be pretty daunting if you haven't seen this kind of thing before.

If in doubt, CALL CUSTOMS. There will be a stack of phone numbers listed on the documents to call, and the one that has gotten me sorted is the number of the customs office at the airport where the 7 stringer is held. They are very helpful, and most of the forms mentioned go in the bin (remember kids, like Devin Townsend says, recycle!).

4. Think smart about postage.
I haven't ordered from the UK, only the US, so I can only speak from my American postage experience.

USPS is definitely the cheapest option on postage, and make sure you always get a tracking number cause then you can track the stuff live on the net, which is pretty cool and helps build the excitement when you know where the thing is.

The problem with postage from the US generally isn't weight, its length. Guitars are generally pretty light, but if the instrument is over a certain length, the postage price can get real dumb if you are buying from a private seller. If you are ordering a bolt-on guitar without a case, the simple solution is to get the neck taken off by the seller. It is really easy to put the neck back on (trust me I am all thumbs and can barely manage changing a string, and even I was able to put the guitar back together and set it up...many guides on these subjects on this site) and doing this will knock the postage RIGHT back.

Commercial sellers (like many with Evilbay shopfronts and DCGL) can ship cheaper, and this isn't as big a problem.

5. If available ALWAYS get insurance.
This is a no-brainer. Your trusty guitar/pick-up/pick signed by Paul Gilbert is about to go through a hell of a lot of hands before it gets to you, and it only takes one of those hands to screw up. I haven't had a problem in my multiple transactions of everything from strings to full-length guitars, but insurance is there for one precise reason: SHIT HAPPENS.

That's all I got. I will edit if there is more I think of, and I hope this is of some help to Aussies. I have found almost EVERYTHING to do with guitars is pretty much cheaper from the US, especially with our dollar doing so well lately!

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Unread 10-21-2007, 06:32 AM   #2
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Great post! That first point especially has caught me up before. This should be stickied or something, although I guess there probably aren't enough Aussies to bother

You just bought the AES7 from Zimbloth, yeah? Be sure to post a review
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Thanks dude!

Yeah I got the AES, I just tacked a little bit onto the end of Zimbloth's review cause he kinda said everything already

I just hope this helps out some Aussies cause I KNOW they are here and they are just as enthusiastic about the 7-string scene, its just harder to get stuff!

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I'm not from Australia but there is some good info there that applies to people importing guitars to Europe too. Good post. Maybe some more general points and a sticky could be made for general importing?
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Great info, having bought two guitars from the US I knew most of it but it's very helpful. I didn't know shipping and insurance contributed to the value of the guitar, though I always wondered it. Also, now is a great time to buy since our dollar is now worth $US 0.90 so anything you buy is an awesome deal.

To put this in perspective, a new S7320 here is 1500 aus dollars - I paid under $1000 AUS for my S7420. A hellraiser is 1800 and I can again get one for under $1000 AUS. The amounts being charged are ridiculous. A pack of strings is 15 bucks, 20 with the extra 7th string.

Oh well, awesome summary, hope it helps some people. Might also be worth noting that if you get a lot of things close together they'll hold them and add the value so be careful with that as well.

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1. $1000.00 is your limit.
In Australia, if you import goods worth over $1000.00, and Customs finds out, prepare for a whole slew of charges. This will include GST (payable to Customs on behalf of the Australian Taxation Office), release charges and additional carriage charges. Needless to say this can mount up.

Here is the kicker... you find a guitar worth $850.00 Australian and the shipping is gunna be $100.00, and insurance $60.00. You're cool, right? The guitar is worth under $1000.00... sweet!

WRONG. All three of these things are determined by customs to be the worth of the guitar, and your guitar's worth in the eyes of customs is now $1010.00...doh!

The cool thing is, if everything is under $1000.00, you are free and clear of ANY customs costs. Don't believe those sellers based in Australia (usually based on Ebay) trying to sell cheaper o/s goods marked up and who go on about "having paid the customs duties" and "extra freight" cause it's crap.
I'm pretty sure this info is incorrect, the $1,000 limit applies to the "value of the good". This means that if the guitar is $999, and postage is $250, you're sweet. I just called customs to double check because you gave me a massive fright (I've got an RG1527 from Japan in the mail)

Importantly, MAKE SURE YOU CONVERT THE CURRENCY, because the value is calculated in aussie dollars. Customs have the exchange rates they use on their website.

The goods news is, with the US sub-prime mortgage crisis stalling the US economy, the Aussie dollar is doing really well against the greenback, so it's a great time to buy.
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I'm pretty sure this info is incorrect, the $1,000 limit applies to the "value of the good". This means that if the guitar is $999, and postage is $250, you're sweet. I just called customs to double check because you gave me a massive fright (I've got an RG1527 from Japan in the mail)
Corrected, and I have also included the link to the info that backs this up. I also called Customs and clarified this as I received opposing advice.

Just to let you all know, I didn't just make this stuff up , I did my homework the hard way - by doing!

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I thought I'd bump this because this is more relevant than ever with Aussie dollar doing EXTREMELY well at the moment and you can buy pretty much any guitar for half the price in the states. Dont be afraid to buy from the US gentlemen!

I just bought a Music Man John Petrucci and unfortunatly it ended up being over a grand so im shitting my pants right now thinking of how much all these fee's will add up to be, but we'll see and I'll let you know how much I do end up copping it.
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Definately let us know... that would be awesome!

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Good info, too bad it really isn't worth buying right now with our dollar only at 0.65 - 0.70 US cents for each dollar.
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Even with our dollar being lower, its still worth getting certain items from overseas.
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4. Think smart about postage.
I haven't ordered from the UK, only the US, so I can only speak from my American postage experience.

USPS is definitely the cheapest option on postage, and make sure you always get a tracking number cause then you can track the stuff live on the net, which is pretty cool and helps build the excitement when you know where the thing is.

The problem with postage from the US generally isn't weight, its length. Guitars are generally pretty light, but if the instrument is over a certain length, the postage price can get real dumb if you are buying from a private seller. If you are ordering a bolt-on guitar without a case, the simple solution is to get the neck taken off by the seller. It is really easy to put the neck back on (trust me I am all thumbs and can barely manage changing a string, and even I was able to put the guitar back together and set it up...many guides on these subjects on this site) and doing this will knock the postage RIGHT back.

Commercial sellers (like many with Evilbay shopfronts and DCGL) can ship cheaper, and this isn't as big a problem.
+1, the past two guitars i've got send have cost me about 1/3 of what they would have if i hadn't of asked for the to be disaasembled.

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Even with our dollar being lower, its still worth getting certain items from overseas.
True.. but it's not as good as what it used to be. So when is it going to rise again?!? I NEED A NEW AMP!
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Buying an amp will never really work coz after the tax, shipping etc fees, and the need for a power transformer to run it (other countries amps run off different mains voltages) you're back where you started.

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Fantastic Thread

I can testify to this as I acutally work at UPS. I talk to the custom guys regularily, one of them is a guitarist and another a mother of a female metal singer, and we perv at guitars all the time whenever one gets checked in to our bond.

But yeah, all this is true and useful information. The Aussie law states that everything over $1000 aud requires GST 10% of the DECLARED value to pay to customs; a compulsory Customs entry fee of ~50.20 and a security fee of 10.00. A lot of our customers tend to get put off when they get a call that their guitar is coming but they have to fork out cash for duties and taxes. And lets not forget the quarrantine inspection for all of course.

However, considering that it is fact that musical instruments costs a king's ransom here down under, it's still worth it. Best example, my friend ordered a 2008 US Fender Jazz Bass, paid 300 something for duties and taxes COD, (forgot the value of the actual bass itself) total of 1800. Still cheaper than getting it retail here (this was before the recession however). So please do your research and you'll be sweet. Also it helps to declare as a gift too.

Oddly enough (perhaps not) even the custom guys I spoke to didn't like any of this one bit. This info actually scared me before I went overseas to Japan to by a 7. But it was all cool in the end, brought mine (RG1527) for 67800 yen (at the time was 1100 aud) and I declared it as wood so it was all good during checkin.

Once again, fantastic thread for buyers ordering overseas.
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Buying an amp will never really work coz after the tax, shipping etc fees, and the need for a power transformer to run it (other countries amps run off different mains voltages) you're back where you started.

Buy my valveking

haha valveking ..
i wouldn't mind taking your 6505 off you for cheeeep though

I've been thinking about getting a Madison Divinity, I emailed them directly and they said they could do me one for 700 (which is just over 1000 , but i'm in no hurry to get one so i can just wait .. for the dollar to rise again)+ 250 shipping USD and that is with the power all fixed up and shit for us Australians.
Good deal?
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Thanks for the bump, I was always unsure about the 1000 dollar number, good to know for the not so distant future.

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Out of curiosity.... My Aunt lives in the UK where everything is a lot cheaper....

If I send money to her to buy... Let's say a nice preamp or something... And she just so happens to post it over to me... So long as postage in under a thousand, would I be in the clear? TO customs it would surely just look like my Aunt giving me a lovely present free of charge... Wouldn't it?

Alternatively... Could I not just send her half the money and then 'buy' it from her for well under a thousand?

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