Goddamn Alice In Chains kicked ass!

distressed_romeo · 02-09-2007, 12:25 PM

Just listened to 'Dirt' all the way through for the first time in a while, and it's just served to remind me of quite how good it is! There's something about Jerry Cantrell's riffs and tone, and the vocal harmonies he and Layne sang that really really get to me...

Wish I had my Les Paul with me to crank out some chuggy Drop D stuff now...

Makelele · 02-09-2007, 12:30 PM

Totally.

Wiz · 02-09-2007, 04:07 PM

Yeah Cantrell's stuff is technically simple, probably influenced a lot by the grunginess of his times, but melodically it's absolutely phenomenal.

Kotex · 02-09-2007, 04:10 PM

Jerry's a really good player. He's one of my fav's.

jaredowty · 02-09-2007, 07:13 PM

AIC is one of my favorite bands. I like Facelift just as much as Dirt. Jar of Flies and Sap are awesome of course, their Unplugged release is incredible. Their self-titled one is the only release that isn't as amazing as the others, but still pretty good.

DDDorian · 02-09-2007, 08:29 PM

Great band, kinda like the 90s equivalent to Sabbath. The unplugged version of "Nutshell" always gets to me; I can't believe just how many bands have covered and butchered that song. Jerry's solo albums are great too, they should have been much more successful than they were.

I remember reading a Toby Wright interview where he said the huge rythym tones on Dirt came from tracking two tracks of bassy guitar, two tracks that were very mid-heavy and two bright, trebly tracks. They'd then pan them hard left and right and then, depending on the tone they were looking for, they'd just up the levels of one set of tracks and drop the levels on another, which in the end makes mixing really easy. On the few occasions I've recorded I've done this and it really works!

jaredowty · 02-10-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DDDorian

I remember reading a Toby Wright interview where he said the huge rythym tones on Dirt came from tracking two tracks of bassy guitar, two tracks that were very mid-heavy and two bright, trebly tracks. They'd then pan them hard left and right and then, depending on the tone they were looking for, they'd just up the levels of one set of tracks and drop the levels on another, which in the end makes mixing really easy. On the few occasions I've recorded I've done this and it really works!

Indeed, if I'm not mistaken, I remember that Jerry would also record his guitar tracks in a similar way (one track for bass frequencies, one for mid, and one for treble). That'd seem like a cool thing to try.

Shannon · 02-10-2007, 02:46 PM

Why yes, they do kick severe ass! So much so that I play in an AIC Tribute band. www.myspace.com/jaroffliesband

Cancer · 02-10-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jaredowty

Indeed, if I'm not mistaken, I remember that Jerry would also record his guitar tracks in a similar way (one track for bass frequencies, one for mid, and one for treble). That'd seem like a cool thing to try.

'Coourse nowadays he'd probably just reamp, but still.

So, who singing with them now (they're touring right???), Cantrell a great singer and all, but its not AIC without harmonies.

Crucified · 02-10-2007, 03:48 PM

Cantrell actually played a frankensteined Strat. Also drop d is for suckers that can't be heavy without tuning down! haha. I've always had problems with drop d tuning. Don't ask me why. It just makes me cringe.

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Originally Posted by distressed_romeo

Just listened to 'Dirt' all the way through for the first time in a while, and it's just served to remind me of quite how good it is! There's something about Jerry Cantrell's riffs and tone, and the vocal harmonies he and Layne sang that really really get to me...

Wish I had my Les Paul with me to crank out some chuggy Drop D stuff now...

Shannon · 02-10-2007, 03:54 PM

That's why Cantrell plays in Drop C#.

WayneCustom7 · 02-10-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Shannon

Why yes, they do kick severe ass! So much so that I play in an AIC Tribute band. www.myspace.com/jaroffliesband

Hey that was pretty good, I had no idea you played bass!

Crucified · 02-10-2007, 05:40 PM

haha, I have no doubt. Don't get me wrong, other people can do as they please and it can sound good. I just personally don't like playing in dropped tunings. Thats all.

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Originally Posted by Shannon

That's why Cantrell plays in Drop C#.

DDDorian · 02-10-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by psyphre

So, who singing with them now (they're touring right???), Cantrell a great singer and all, but its not AIC without harmonies.

A guy named William DuVall, who sings for a band called Comes With The Fall, and played in Jerry's backing band for his solo shows. He looks totally different to Layne so it's weird to see him up there with AIC but he definitely pays respect to their songs and Layne's voice, although he doesn't have that X factor that Layne had. Here's a clip.

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Originally Posted by Crucified

Cantrell actually played a frankensteined Strat.

If I recall correctly, he actually played a G&L through a Bogner and/or a 5150 Eddie Van Halen gave him. These days he's switched to Dean who are making a Cantrell signature model, and Bogner are making a signature Cantrell head as well.

Shannon · 02-10-2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DDDorian

If I recall correctly, he actually played a G&L through a Bogner and/or a 5150 Eddie Van Halen gave him. These days he's switched to Dean who are making a Cantrell signature model, and Bogner are making a signature Cantrell head as well.

Yep, it's an 84 G&L Rampage with a Bogner Fish preamp.

swedenuck · 02-10-2007, 08:21 PM

Jerry Cantrell's tone = the perfect mid gain tone IMO, I may have to look into one of those bogners one day after I snag a diezel or vht.

GH0STrider · 02-10-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Crucified

Cantrell actually played a frankensteined Strat. Also drop d is for suckers that can't be heavy without tuning down! haha. I've always had problems with drop d tuning. Don't ask me why. It just makes me cringe.

actually cantrell was a big g&l guy. he has a bunch of the old rampage model. also used the musicman van halen model a bit too.

Crucified · 02-10-2007, 09:51 PM

oh crazy, i never looked at the headstock. Just had the fender style body, I figured he just modded the shit out of it. G&L make rad guitars.

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Originally Posted by GH0STrider

actually cantrell was a big g&l guy. he has a bunch of the old rampage model. also used the musicman van halen model a bit too.

Shawn · 02-10-2007, 10:03 PM

Dirt reminds me of high school so much, when I was junior, I listened to that album so much, I wore it out!

Everytime I listen to it, it brings back memories.

It's one of my all time favorite albums of the 90's.

pyroglyphix · 02-10-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Crucified

oh crazy, i never looked at the headstock. Just had the fender style body, I figured he just modded the shit out of it. G&L make rad guitars.

This is what makes me think the joke's on us when we consider the $2500+ price tag on some guitars, especially signature models...as if buying that guitar will make you sound anything like your hero.

I love G&L's because they are a sleeper...most models are very mundane to look at, but they sound absolutely killer.

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Wiz ss.org Regular Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 779 Thanked: 8	Yeah Cantrell's stuff is technically simple, probably influenced a lot by the grunginess of his times, but melodically it's absolutely phenomenal.

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DDDorian Punk's not dead. • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Middle of nowhere, Australia Posts: 3,966 Thanked: 209	Great band, kinda like the 90s equivalent to Sabbath. The unplugged version of "Nutshell" always gets to me; I can't believe just how many bands have covered and butchered that song. Jerry's solo albums are great too, they should have been much more successful than they were. I remember reading a Toby Wright interview where he said the huge rythym tones on Dirt came from tracking two tracks of bassy guitar, two tracks that were very mid-heavy and two bright, trebly tracks. They'd then pan them hard left and right and then, depending on the tone they were looking for, they'd just up the levels of one set of tracks and drop the levels on another, which in the end makes mixing really easy. On the few occasions I've recorded I've done this and it really works!

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Shannon Mmmmm, babies. • Super Moderator • Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: W. Seattle, WA Posts: 8,540 Thanked: 104	That's why Cantrell plays in Drop C#. __________________ Shannon \| OSDO \| Jar Of Flies \| Superunknown \| MG.ORG!

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swedenuck Speedo flex fiend Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 758 Thanked: 17	Jerry Cantrell's tone = the perfect mid gain tone IMO, I may have to look into one of those bogners one day after I snag a diezel or vht.

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