Randy Blythe arrested on charges of manslaughter

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Scar Symmetry

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Bands kick kids off the stage all the time, this particular case (especially from watching the video) has an air of mystery about it.

[cronux]

Originally Posted by Dan

He wont have been arrested any time before this because Czech ruling will probably state that they aren't allowed to arrest a suspect like this till they are actually back in the country. Since he has returned to play a show they have jurisdiction to arrest and trial Randy for these crimes. That being said though they wont have made an arrest unless they have strong evidence to suggest that he is to blame for the death, especially nearly 3 years after the incident.

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[butterschnapps]

This is rather shocking indeed, but what evidence could there be that his death was solely because of being kicked off of the stage?

[Randyrhoads123]

This was a comment on Willie Adler's facebook status from a fan that attended the show:

"I was at that show two years ago...Ive seen many bands in that club like DevilDriver, Hatebreed, etc. and every metal fan in Prague knows that this is one of the "stage diving friendly" clubs. Hatebreed and Devildriver were ok with that. The guy climbed on stage and Randy slapped him and they guy fell on the ground (NOT off the stage), sang few words to his face and pushed him back and said that he is not ok with people on the stage. A murder? I dont think so...that hit wouldnt kill you unless youre made of glass..sry for my english.."


Comment from Willie:

"Hey guys, it's been a rough couple of days. All I can say is that I can't recall that particular show let alone a fan being beaten on the stage. I think I would've noticed something like that considering the Dime thing. We're all still here in the Czech republic awaiting what is to happen. We hope we'll beable to get randy out this afternoon. All our thoughts are with him as well as the family of the deceased fan. We've no real clue as to what happened to him, but we send our condolences. All we try to do is entertain, the fans are why we're here. We would never try and harm anyone."

Seems like everything is still sorta messed up and no one is 100% on what happened or what the police are doing.

[Marv Attaxx]

How the hell can someone die by falling off a stage
I mean, the biggest stage I've ever seen was like 2 m high

[nickgray]

Originally Posted by Marv Attaxx

How the hell can someone die by falling off a stage
I mean, the biggest stage I've ever seen was like 2 m high

Well, you could fall on your head in a rather unlucky way that's going to cause some sort of rare complication.

[DaddleCecapitation]

Originally Posted by nickgray

Well, you could fall on your head in a rather unlucky way that's going to cause some sort of rare complication.

I think historically, the odds are in the defendant's favour if the coroner determines that the cause of death was something like a seizure or an aneurysm or something.

[butterschnapps]

Without evidence, I can't really say he deserves to go to jail. With that was said on Willie Adler's facebook, I'd say there's no way in hell he causes the death. However, Willie doesn't remember what happened that day, but knows that nothing that could have harmed a fan would have occurred. We don't have proof that the person who commented on willie's facebook was even there, it could just be a fan trying to claim to have been there to protect Randy. I'd like to know the actual story. Either way, I wouldn't hold it against Randy. The guy shouldn't have been on stage that close to Randy in the first place.

[ShadowFactoryX]

I'd assume there WAS security at that show.
Being the case, he really shoulda left it to them.

Seeing how his personality is, I'm not really surprised by this, he's always shooting his mouth off, and I'm sure if the "fan" or attendee in question did start somthing, Mr. Blythe would have done well to finish it.

If he skates by outta this one, I hope he'll think about stuff before he says anything, or does anything in that demeanor.

If he's found guilty, I hope he serves the rest of his years wasting away in a cell.

[nickgray]

Originally Posted by HammettHateCrew

I think historically, the odds are in the defendant's favour if the coroner determines that the cause of death was something like a seizure or an aneurysm or something.

Yeah, but an aneurysm probably wouldn't have resulted from a fall, right? Whereas a rare complication is a direct result from a fall. Imagine someone who shot a person in the foot who then died as a result of infection or blood loss or whatever, and then someone who shot a person right in the heart, killing him instantly. Obviously, we're not talking about manslaughter here, but this is essentially an extreme example of complications. The first guy shouldn't have died, so will the odds be in the defendants favor in this case? I don't think so. It's pretty much exactly the same as the guy who shot a person in the heart.

Originally Posted by ShadowFactoryX

I'd assume there WAS security at that show.

Indeed. Isn't it security's job to handle this sort of stuff? I'm no law expert, but I imagine that musicians have no right to mess with attendees, it's the job of the security guys. It's not unlike taking the law into your own hands, I assume.

[ghstofperdition]

I'll chime in and say that this really does sound like a freak accident. I cannot fathom a slap killing someone, let alone a delayed death like that. Frankly after Dime's death, I don't blame musicians wanting to protect themselves from overzealous nutbags. That said, I see no reason to actually strike a fan. It's one thing if you push them off the stage, but to punch and/or slap them is too far. They pay your salary d-bag...

I think that it's too early to know what's up for sure, so before we all cast stones at Randy, let's wait for more facts to come out. I wanna know more about how this kid died, what proof the police have that this was in fact Randy's doing, and why it took so long for the kid to die given that I've never heard of a battery causing a delayed death to that degree.

There's something fishy about all of this and I feel more facts are needed.

[musicaldeath]

Yeah, but an aneurysm probably wouldn't have resulted from a fall, right? Whereas a rare complication is a direct result from a fall.

My grand father was renovating his basement. He banged his head on one of the 4x4's. A week later rushed to the hospital for bleeding in his brain. The only thing the doctors could think of was that bang on his head.

So yes, falling off a stage and hitting your head probably could lead to an aneurysm or some type of bleeding in your brain.

That being said, I am not saying Randy should be guilty of anything without proper evidence against him. Doesn't sound like there is a whole lot of that. Hope things work out. It will be interesting to see what happens.

[Varcolac]

A man was jailed for manslaughter in the UK after killing someone with a single punch, so I wouldn't say that a punch or a fall couldn't kill or lead to a conviction. I hate to link to the Daily Mail, but here's a link to the article: England football fan who taunted Welshman before killing him with one punch outside Wembley Stadium jailed | Mail Online

I await the results of this case with interest.

People talking crap on the Czech Republic for jailing the guy should perhaps read a few books and travel a little, or even spend twenty minutes on Wikipedia. It's not a third-world police-state, gentlemen.

[NSXTypeZero]

Originally Posted by nickgray

and then he mentioned UAE and Dubai (not sure why though, Dubai is part of UAE). It was so stereotypically American of him that I just couldn't help myself.

Oh yeah, because I said UAE AND Dubai, wow, just total igornance right there. I know it is part of the UAE, but I appreciate the little geography lesson. It was said like that because Dubai in particular has been subject of attention lately for some ridiculous punishments

[NSXTypeZero]

Originally Posted by BucketheadRules

Yeah, I hope so too.



Europe isn't some backwards hellhole where people are burned at the stake for witchcraft. Not since the 1700s anyway...

uh, yeah, and Russia isn't some backwards hellhole from the 1700's either, but I sure as .... would not want to be thrown in a Russian prison for murder. If you actually think every other country in Europe is exactly as fair as the other... Well, I wish I had that same faith in the world

[Murmel]

Originally Posted by NSXTypeZero

uh, yeah, and Russia isn't some backwards hellhole from the 1700's either, but I sure as .... would not want to be thrown in a Russian prison for murder. If you actually think every other country in Europe is exactly as fair as the other... Well, I wish I had that same faith in the world

Well, Russia IS more backwards and corrupt than most other European countries.. so there you go

[NSXTypeZero]

Originally Posted by Murmel

Well, Russia IS more backwards and corrupt than most other European countries.. so there you go

yes, which is why it is my example! There certainly ARE still first world type countries that will .... you in the ass

[butterschnapps]

Yeah, I was just in Dubai, UAE's laws are a little dicked to me, but their laws are based off of the Islamic religion. Even tattoo mags in the mall that had ass cleavage or chest cleavage were markered out and repackaged. Seriously. They open up magazines and take permanent markers and mark over a chick showing her tattoos on her chest and mark over what could've been a tattoo, but also her cleavage. Then they want to sell it in a borders? That's vandalized, why would I want to buy that garbage?

[Murmel]

^^Ah yeah I re-read your post now, got it wrong the first time

Honestly, I don't want any government on my ass. But if it was something really serious, like leaking certain super secret intelligence then I have my list of countries I don't want on after me. Of course, I have no clue about that sort of stuff so it's all just guess, but it's fun

[Metal_Webb]

Originally Posted by NSXTypeZero

yes, which is why it is my example! There certainly ARE still first world type countries that will .... you in the ass

Guantanamo Bay anyone?

[canuck brian]

Originally Posted by ShadowFactoryX

I'd assume there WAS security at that show.
Being the case, he really shoulda left it to them.

That didn't work so well for Darrell Abbott.

[butterschnapps]

Originally Posted by Murmel

^^Ah yeah I re-read your post now, got it wrong the first time

Honestly, I don't want any government on my ass. But if it was something really serious, like leaking certain super secret intelligence then I have my list of countries I don't want on after me. Of course, I have no clue about that sort of stuff so it's all just guess, but it's fun

Well, that's the point of maintaining anonymity. If you were anonymous, you wouldn't need to worry about it. Granted, I plan on moving to Norway anyways, and then visit Sweden on occassion to see Katatonia or Vildjharta.

[Equivoke]

Shouting "DIMEBAG MANN" isn't a very good defence if Randy actually did hit then hold the guy down then push him off the stage.

Although it seems like that isn't the case and it was just a unlucky fall.

Also to these guys:

Originally Posted by JosephAOI

I think if Randy just kicked him down and didn't really injure him to the point of death, it's not his fault.

Kicking someone down and then they die is manslaughter

Originally Posted by ittoa666

If you watch any of the videos, the stage is only about a foot high. How bad can someone really get injured in that situation? I think this is sketchy as all hell.

Originally Posted by Marv Attaxx

How the hell can someone die by falling off a stage
I mean, the biggest stage I've ever seen was like 2 m high

People have died from smaller falls. I doesn't take that much force to kill you if are hit in the right place and unlucky.

[rawrkunjrawr]

Well Metalsucks has more information on this incident. According to there site the fan rushed in three times and security was not able to catch him the third time. This fan kept running at Randy and Randy pushed him away. No fists where thrown, or feet. But if they convict him he'll face 5-10 years in jail.

Here's what was said:

“Lamb of God Management will be issuing an official statement on Monday regarding the charges made against singer Randy Blythe. As no formal charges have yet been made and the case is only in the investigation stages, it would be premature to make an official statement filled with false truths or innuendos.

“Having said that, management wished to address today one false piece of information that has been included in many of the news stories released so far. Under no circumstances was there a fight of any kind involved. This incident deals with a fan that three times during the concert jumped the barricade and rushed Randy during the performance. It is alleged that the third time, security was not able to reach him and that Randy pushed him back into the audience where supposedly he fell and hit his head.

“Again, until the investigation is concluded this weekend, nothing more will be released, but clarity and the facts needed to be addressed on this one reported point which is totally inaccurate.”

[Ralyks]

EDIT: Nevermind, post above me ninja'd it.