Modern Hardcore

[SeductionS]

Originally Posted by vampiregenocide

With hardcore moshing, some kids just go to get violent. They throw themselves at people, kick and punch and throw their arms about, hitting people and knocking drinks everywhere. I've seen it many times, and it disgusts me.

Seen it way too much...
But... we may not generalize it. Some kids are way to violent in the pits and that's true. But it's almost always them who gets kicked the hardest. You know you take the chance to get a foot or an arm in your face when you go to underground shows...

Example:

2:50 > Guy got hit accidentally but he freaks out on the dude (he freaked out the whole show and he did exactly the same to others) and punches him, a few seconds later he receives what he asked for...

There will always be some stupid kids out there but moshing is a way to express yourself and to remove some anger you carry with you.

And with that comes that hardcore isn't always agressive, sometimes it's just a "party"


Just my opinion

[MikeH]

Well, just to bring some unbiased opinion into the thread without arguing, these are some of my favorite "modern" hardcore bands:

[ittoa666]

Sweden has some awesome new hardcore.

[clouds]

...that is my contribution to this thread.

[Scar Symmetry]

Originally Posted by MikeH

+1, great band.

[damigu]

i've given up on genre names because they've changed definitions so many times in the last 15 years that it's hard to have a conversation when using genre names these days.

when i think of "hardcore" i think of stuff from the 80's and early 90's that took their influence primarily from punk (and then some metal influence crept in by the 90's).
bands that call themselves "hardcore" these days are actually playing metal and have no punk influence.

when i think of "death metal" i think, again, of material from the early 90's. with rare exception (for example, nile), almost nobody under the heading of "death metal" is playing anything like that (for example, while i love kataklysm, i have no idea why they're considered death metal).

emo used to be really good music (like fugazi). these days it's just unintelligible screaming and shrill guitars that have absolutely nothing to do with 80's and 90's emo.


personally, if you can make your style of hardcore and djent and whatever else fit together into a coherent song, i say go for it.

me, personally, i use elements of thrash and hard rock and progressive metal/rock and just a little bit of djent in the music i write.

[Philligan]

I'm with Ross on the moshing. I don't listen to much death metal and stuff these days, but I miss the death metal pits - way more pit courtesy, and getting pushed around a bit and running in circle pits is a lot more fun than getting hit in the face by some kid who's there by himself.

The tough guy lyrics are some of the more stupid lyrics in heavy music IMHO, but thankfully it's actually not too too common when you get into it. The more positive bands have some of my favourite lyric content ever.

My favourite is Bury Your Dead (Mat Bruso-era of course ). I was gonna post Ghost Inside, too, until MikeH beat me to it

[0 Xero 0]

Magnolia is one of my all-time favorite songs. The differentiation between metal and metalcore is very subjective, but I consider Blood Has Been Shed and The Chariot to be some awesome modern hardcore bands. Many people consider The Chariot to be metalcore, but I don't think so. Also, a lot of these bands started as strictly hardcore bands but added metal elements to their music later.




Edit: I forgot about Diecast.

[S-O]

I still am covinced Black Veil Brides are a Visual Kei band.

Also, I may overlooked it, but a lot of bands I dig have been mentioned, like Shai Hulud, 7 Angels 7 Plagues, Converge, and many others.

How has Refused slipped by without mention?

[groph]

Oh, the plight of the metal nerd in the face of "core" music.

I figured "hardcore" was the crusty old lo-fi punk stuff that's been posted already - at least that's how it started, it's just harder punk.

Now it seems to be really stand-offish, and territorial - bands sing about the places they're from and form a real in-group. I feel like I can't listen to the stuff because I'm not from the Bronx or wherever, I'm not badass enough. I can't say I really get along with that aesthetic, but that's totally up to the artist, not knocking the whole genre or anything.

Crossover thrash like Municipal Waste is pretty cool, and I like a bunch of metalcore and I'm getting more and more into the "core" influenced uber heavy metal, like TDTE's Danza III - what a ....ing sledgehammer of an album that one is.

Basically "core" = breakdowns and certain riff patterns that take influence from punk, "real" old hardcore, I guess. What passes for "true" metal often has a certain old fashionedness to the sound, I guess? I've totally been talking out of my ass for a while.

I don't really know hardcore well enough to make a call. I like a fair amount of metalcore (which I thought was hardcore, I thought bands like Every Time I Die were true blooded hardcore) "core" genres are just so ....ing hard to try to define but I can't help but try to classify what I hear somehow.

I also thought there was a genre that was kind of like "brutal hardcore" where The Acacia Strain and Emmure would fit in, but apparently they're just deathcore. And deathcore is death metal blended with metalcore, and metalcore is metal mixed with hardcore, but The Acacia Strain sounds more hardcore than metalcore, and then you've got bands like Ion Dissonance who have "core-y" elements like breakdowns and occasional spoken word vocals but overall they sound nothing like any other hardcore, and crossover thrash is probably just thrash because thrash is kind of closer to hardcore than non thrash, and death metal is a spinoff of thrash, so death metal is seperate from hardcore and metalcore in order to differentiate it from deathcore, but it's derivative of a genre that is derivative of hardcore in ways...




EDIT: Yeah, that Diecast song up there is what I thought hardcore was. Listening to that, I hear similarities to something like Austrian Death Machine, which sounds like crossover thrash WHAT THE .... don't make me post the scanners head explosion again

[blaaargh]

ITT: No one is sure what hardcore is, but everyone has an opinion on it.

[groph]

^ pretty much

[7stringDemon]

Mini bump.

This is hardcore.












Just to name a couple of the more popular.

[7stringDemon]

Oh, and on the moshing/hardcore dancing subject; I've been kicked from quite a few good shows because I push the ....ing hardcore dancers when they're in the mosh pit. I don't push them in anger either. I just do it to get the pit started again. But no, they can't handle that. They think you're trying to kick their ass. So they throw a punch and a fight breaks out. Then security get's me before I even get to see the main act

See, I see pushing into a pit, flipping someone off, and yelling things like "get in here you pussies!" as compliments. Some people think I'm all mad and shit but I'm not. It's my way of saying "Hey, you look like a pretty cool guy/girl. Would you like to come in here and have a bit of fun with me and my friends?".

[electricred]

Djent has no relation to hardcore... the band I'm most excited about in hardcore at the moment is Salvation, especially after the release of House of the Beating Hell... talk about more hardcore punk and less teen metal.

[damigu]

except for the fact that the whole chugging thing was derived from hardcore, of course.

[fassaction]

Originally Posted by silverabyss

I want to see more bands like Botch and Shai Hulud. I like some melodic hardcore too, Misery Signals primarily.

I love the shit out of Shai Hulud though, the right mix of interesting riffs and melodies.

Misery Signals is one of the only bands out of the whole "core" genres that I can stand anymore. Those guys write some wicked songs.

Now if Karl would release call and response, id be REALLY happy....been waiting for almost 2 years for his solo record to come out.

[electricred]

Originally Posted by damigu

except for the fact that the whole chugging thing was derived from hardcore, of course.

Nope, that came from metal.

[VBCheeseGrater]

Originally Posted by Loomer

Also, to the OP: I'm seriously doubting you've ever heard an actual hardcore record, or had any assocation with the genre at all if you imply that these two WILDLY genres can somehow be interchangable. I don't really see Tesseract or Vildhjarta or whatever wimpy stuff Kids These Days jock so hard winning over any fans of for instance Cursed, Blacklisted or Terror anytime soon.

...I think the OP is probably referring to this, you know, because you mention a certain band there's no way you can be a "real fan". It's as old as metal. It's important to to differentiate the stuff that wussies listen to to what i'm listening to, lest i be associated

[makeitreign]

Originally Posted by Jakke

In regards to dimebag, the thing is that Dime still has a fanatic fanbase, and as all fanatics they never listen to reason or critical arguments. Dime was a pentatonic shredder. I'm not gonna comment if he played with feeling or not, but he clearly was not not the prince of guitarists or "the guitarists to end all guitarists" as his fanatical fans makes him out to be. I would not advice you to try and break it to them though

You should see the looks people give me when I express my lack of... uh.. enthusiasm for Dimebag and Pantera. They look at me like I just punched them in the face.

Then again, I live in Texas.

Anyways, I always thought stuff like this was hardcore:
Old ETID


Old Norma Jean

[damigu]

Originally Posted by electricred

Nope, that came from metal.

think again, quiz kid.

[travis bickle]

Originally Posted by damigu

think again, quiz kid.

sorry dude, you're wrong.

[damigu]

i'm curious to hear where you guys think rhythmic chug came from if not hXc.

i suppose next you'll tell me that thrash doesn't have its roots in punk?

[electricred]

You don't hear chugging in hardcore until the onset of early metalcore, especially in the early '90s. Yes, punk influenced thrash, but then thrash turned around and influenced later changes in hardcore. That chugging was not apart of hardcore in the early and mid '80s. Yeah, you can dig around and find some examples from that period from more metal influenced bands, but it's not going to be at all similar to what came with bands like Unbroken, Raid, Arkangel, All Out War, etc. The bands even labeled themselves as metal bands, not hardcore, and metalcore wasn't even a term back then.

Anyways... does it really matter? The music called metalcore today has almost no remaining traces of what began ~35 years ago. It's become it's own separate entity. Hardcore hasn't, and the bands relevant decades ago are still influential, well respected, and many are still out there. There's a more past-focused mindset in hardcore than metal(/core).

[MikeH]

Originally Posted by damigu

i'm curious to hear where you guys think rhythmic chug came from if not hXc.

i suppose next you'll tell me that thrash doesn't have its roots in punk?

Plenty of rhythmic chugging in plenty of Slayer songs...