A weird question but why do so few metal bands have real honest emotion like this??

[MFB]

Emotions are not "metal" basically, it's normally a giant pissing contest to be the exact opposite

[ridealot100]

I love my fair share of skill driven metal, but there are a few bands that I love because of the emotion and drive.

Chicago had a huge Posi-Hardcore scene for a while and I found a ton of good tunes through that.

Heart in Hand is excellent.

Heart in Hand - Only Memories - YouTube

And I don't even have to say much about Architects. If you can't find feeling in their music.. damn!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAytE...eature=related

[sol niger 333]

Originally Posted by ridealot100

I love my fair share of skill driven metal, but there are a few bands that I love because of the emotion and drive.

Chicago had a huge Posi-Hardcore scene for a while and I found a ton of good tunes through that.

Heart in Hand is excellent.

Heart in Hand - Only Memories - YouTube

And I don't even have to say much about Architects. If you can't find feeling in their music.. damn!

Architects Hollow Crown had insane conviction and intensity Havent heard the new one yet but this track paints it very promising. I never feel like I'm being lied to by this singer, he's ....in raw and real on Hollow Crown. The Heart in Hand stuff on the other hand felt really contrived to me. Maybe I'm insane and no one else would hear a difference between the two but Heart in Hand sounded fake as can be. Parading the emo angle

[sol niger 333]

Originally Posted by bukkakeONyoMAMA

u want emotion.......here u go....the whole song is emotional and VERY metal at the same time but skip right to 4:13 for the genuine sadness u can see from Chad..

Here is another example in my opinion of "playing" emotive. I feel this display is totally fake I dunno if its just me but I always felt that "I'm tortured and insane" angle to be a regurgitated lie, especially in this guys case. I may have been prone to it at 20 but not anymore. When that funk section comes in at 1:14 any shred of conviction goes away anyway, false or not. Same goes for Jon Davis still trying to play that angle long after he's moved through the trauma. It's an act IMO but people still get sucked in. Maybe I'm just old

[The Reverend]

You're making it up!

How many times does it have to be repeated? Heart In Hand isn't doing anything that Architects is doing, yet you PERCEIVE there to be a difference. It's like all the people up La Dispute's ass because their singer sounds like he's crying constantly; it's actually just a result of the technique he uses to scream.

Unless a song was recorded live, the only emotion you're hearing in it is intentionally put there to elicit that response from you, making it fake by definition. Give up on these weird things you're doing, like saying you can hear one person's conviction and not the other's, because you can't, end of story.

[-42-]

The burden of interpretation when it comes to any form of art falls upon the viewer/listener. Whatever emotion you do or don't hear is "all in your head". Like I said before, the beauty of art is that it's subjective. Maybe I didn't specify this before, but I feel like it's time to fix that. Simply put, because your interpretation of a track (especially on an emotional level) is something that is purely personal, it's not really your place to judge the supposed emotional integrity of an artist. People can be - after all - quite different and what clicks for them may just not click for you.

[Loomer]

Y'all cats need some Converge in your life.
Copy pasted from a thread in the BKP forum:

Another song that gets to me:



Converge - "First Light/Last Light".

There's just something heartfelt and beautiful about it. An acknowledgement that life is hard and fate is cruel, but still a hopeful and optimistic plea for the listener to stay strong. There is a sort of desperate defiance in it. A stubborn refusal to back down and give up, no matter what sort of adversity life can throw at you. The way Jacob sings "This is for the hearts still beating", like he's close to tears the whole song through. Phwoar...

Their song "Dark Horse" does a bit of the same, although it has more of that uplifting rallying cry/call to arms sort of thing and a lot less melancholy:

[traditional]

Originally Posted by The Reverend

You're making it up!

How many times does it have to be repeated? Heart In Hand isn't doing anything that Architects is doing, yet you PERCEIVE there to be a difference. It's like all the people up La Dispute's ass because their singer sounds like he's crying constantly; it's actually just a result of the technique he uses to scream.

Unless a song was recorded live, the only emotion you're hearing in it is intentionally put there to elicit that response from you, making it fake by definition. Give up on these weird things you're doing, like saying you can hear one person's conviction and not the other's, because you can't, end of story.

This seems like (to me, at least) an incredibly cynical response. How can you say that someone who maintains their emotional connection with their music (and with vocalists, it's often their release) via their delivery is only doing it to get a response and is therefore 'fake by definition'?

On topic, this thread is a good read. It's enlightening to read how different music impacts on different people and how various experiences evoke people's connections with music. Some posts seemed close-minded and borderline counter-productive, but that's just me.
A lot of people will disagree with me, but I've always felt that For Today, particularly the 'Breaker' album, are an emotionally charged band. You can tell, both live and on record, that they are incredibly passionate and convicted by what they're trying to do. Religious intolerance/insta-hate aside, listening to that band is refreshing. The song Devastator is a good example of it, in my opinion.

[Xykhron]

Emotion full:

In Loving Memory "Negation Of Life" (melodic doom/death)

Our second album is available for downloading (doom/death)

[The Reverend]

Originally Posted by traditional

This seems like (to me, at least) an incredibly cynical response. How can you say that someone who maintains their emotional connection with their music (and with vocalists, it's often their release) via their delivery is only doing it to get a response and is therefore 'fake by definition'?

On topic, this thread is a good read. It's enlightening to read how different music impacts on different people and how various experiences evoke people's connections with music. Some posts seemed close-minded and borderline counter-productive, but that's just me.
A lot of people will disagree with me, but I've always felt that For Today, particularly the 'Breaker' album, are an emotionally charged band. You can tell, both live and on record, that they are incredibly passionate and convicted by what they're trying to do. Religious intolerance/insta-hate aside, listening to that band is refreshing. The song Devastator is a good example of it, in my opinion.

I'm saying that if something sounds emotionally charged, it was meant to. Doing a lot of takes, in addition to rehearsing the song over and over, has the same effect as saying a word repeatedly, in that it starts losing meaning. Unless it's a live meaning, someone was in the studio trying to convey an emotion.

You hear as much conviction or emotion as you want in music. A lot of my friends don't get why I like metal, as to them it's a constant wankfest, but I hear the beginning of Aspirations by After The Burial and it really hits me. They just hear toneless screaming and monkeys going crazy on a drum kit. Emotion in art is subjective; for all you know, any given artist could've been simply running with something that sounds good (which I suspect most do).

[sol niger 333]

Originally Posted by Loomer

Y'all cats need some Converge in your life.
Copy pasted from a thread in the BKP forum:

Another song that gets to me:



Converge - "First Light/Last Light".

There's just something heartfelt and beautiful about it. An acknowledgement that life is hard and fate is cruel, but still a hopeful and optimistic plea for the listener to stay strong. There is a sort of desperate defiance in it. A stubborn refusal to back down and give up, no matter what sort of adversity life can throw at you. The way Jacob sings "This is for the hearts still beating", like he's close to tears the whole song through. Phwoar...

Their song "Dark Horse" does a bit of the same, although it has more of that uplifting rallying cry/call to arms sort of thing and a lot less melancholy:

I'm with you man, you dont get much heavier than wretched world. This song makes me question my very existence.

It's not some dude pretending to cry on stage in makeup. It's truth

[sol niger 333]

From my perspective of course (so Mudvayne fans don't get offended)

[sol niger 333]

Originally Posted by The Reverend

You're making it up!

How many times does it have to be repeated? Heart In Hand isn't doing anything that Architects is doing, yet you PERCEIVE there to be a difference. It's like all the people up La Dispute's ass because their singer sounds like he's crying constantly; it's actually just a result of the technique he uses to scream.

Unless a song was recorded live, the only emotion you're hearing in it is intentionally put there to elicit that response from you, making it fake by definition. Give up on these weird things you're doing, like saying you can hear one person's conviction and not the other's, because you can't, end of story.

You're so wide of the mark. True art is about tapping into then CAPTURING that emotion. Not PRESENTING it or ACTING it or pretending to feel it when you don't.

If you can't see the difference fine, but it doesn't mean the difference isn't there for those that do. Some people can tell the difference when drums are sample replaced, others can't, some people can hear when a guitarist or vocalist has punched in on a take and hasn't played/sung through to the next section to keep the feel...others can't. Some people can tell when something is being played with intensity and passion, others can't.

I don't like to sound condescending but I'm guessing you're in the can't category.

"How many times does this have to be repeated" if you address me like a child i doubt I'll learn anything from you out of principle, even if you did have something of worth to share.

[sol niger 333]

Like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66zwF-mAG5g

[sol niger 333]

Originally Posted by traditional

This seems like (to me, at least) an incredibly cynical response. How can you say that someone who maintains their emotional connection with their music (and with vocalists, it's often their release) via their delivery is only doing it to get a response and is therefore 'fake by definition'?

Because he didn't completely think through or understand what he was writing about

[sol niger 333]

Originally Posted by -42-

The burden of interpretation when it comes to any form of art falls upon the viewer/listener. Whatever emotion you do or don't hear is "all in your head". Like I said before, the beauty of art is that it's subjective. Maybe I didn't specify this before, but I feel like it's time to fix that. Simply put, because your interpretation of a track (especially on an emotional level) is something that is purely personal, it's not really your place to judge the supposed emotional integrity of an artist. People can be - after all - quite different and what clicks for them may just not click for you.

Fair call. Live and let live. I was really trying to get some suggestions and find some like minds. Sometimes by finding other people who are annoyed by the same fake shit you're annoyed by you can wind up sharing and discovering stuff that you do like

[SenorDingDong]

Originally Posted by The Reverend

You're making it up!

How many times does it have to be repeated? Heart In Hand isn't doing anything that Architects is doing, yet you PERCEIVE there to be a difference. It's like all the people up La Dispute's ass because their singer sounds like he's crying constantly; it's actually just a result of the technique he uses to scream.

Unless a song was recorded live, the only emotion you're hearing in it is intentionally put there to elicit that response from you, making it fake by definition. Give up on these weird things you're doing, like saying you can hear one person's conviction and not the other's, because you can't, end of story.

Please tell me how fake this emotion is. Actually listen to the whole song, then try to state again how fake emotion in music is.

[The Reverend]

Clearly my word analogy didn't make enough sense.

Writing, and then perfecting a song, as well as recording it, is generally repeated so many times that on the performer's part it's nearly reduced to incomprehensible garbage. I daresay I've spent more time in actual recording situations than you guys, as a vocalist to boot. You can only sing or scream a line so many times (ironically to capture that "feeling") before it turns into syllables to accent and a test of endurance to hold out long screams. The end result is no different than actors, even the best ones, having to do shot after shot of the same scene to get it right. Delivery, pitch control, or at times lack of control, are tools that can be used by nearly everyone to project whatever emotion they want. Do you really think people break down and cry about shit when they're in the studio writing about their mother's death or broken hearts?

Art is all about the conveyance of emotion, that's true. The reality is that no matter what the viewer or listener gets out of it, that creation is in most cases the result of a very mechanical process. Beethoven most likely wasn't balling his eyes out when he wrote the first movement of Moonlight Sonata, but centuries later, when performed by dispassionate musicians, it's considered very moving. I think he went through something like 30 different renditions of that, too. Still think it was him expressing himself in a truly emotional way, or do you think he was purposefully trying to evoke or convey a feeling?

Bottom line, if my standpoint was wrong, than I'd listen to all of the songs posted here and have the same emotional response. The fact that I didn't either means I'm a robot, I just don't "get it" ( hipsters much?) or that you're wrong.

[NaYoN]

[groph]

All this arguing is killing my horny.

Here's some good emotion in metal



Lots of SYL convey intense sadness really well, and of course total bone-shattering homicidal insanity, which I consider an emotion. Apologies for the trve grim 240p.



This one makes my inner Viking cry. Gets metal as .... when he lays his son on the pyre though.

[ghostred7]

What I find most interesting to this "debate" is that all of us that's posted what we feel to be emotional videos is definitely doing so based on OUR being in touch w/ the individual's song's emotions. Not everyone will connect with every piece of music, just as interpreting all Metal as only being angry or void of emotion....the emotional interpretation won't be there if we don't connect....period (doesn't mean we will/won't like it).

[morrowcosom]

The album "City" by Strapping Young Lad is the most honestly pissed off album I have ever come across. If that is not real anger, I am a flying spaghetti monster.

Lots of Type O Negative has a really lusty, but morbid at the same time feel to it.

The album Sol Niger Within has a very alien feel to me.

The funeral doom band nortt has a very sinister, demonic, haunted, ominious feel to it. It reeks of a genuine evil to me. It is more ....ed than any 99% of want to be evil black metal band. Burzum (before the exclusively keyboard stuff) is the only metal that has evoked similar feelings.

The video that goes with this "Song" is about what I visualize when I listen to it: