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Unread 01-04-2012, 10:06 PM   #26
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but his screams were always poor in my opinion. They sounded forced and dry.

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Really? I always thought his screams were so... 'distorted'... that they were almost inorganic - like a human voicebox couldn't have made them, just like jens kidman (although I do love the sound of both singers).
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Unread 01-04-2012, 11:32 PM   #27
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First the human abstract, then this? After a year filled with so much great musical renditions, this seems to be like a rough start for 2012.
This is the lineup that got me into heavy music, now i will never be able to see this combination live. I do agree the newest album was not their best work, but id like to think its because Adam didn't produce it. Seems to be the only thing different in the formula that made heartache and daylight dies great, as well as any other records he has produced.
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Unread 01-05-2012, 12:03 AM   #28
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Too many Howard haters in here. He can sing, scream, and everything-in-between better than 99% of metal vocalists out there, and his voice has great character.

If Jesse comes back they can do a KsE/Times of Grace tour, but he can't really sing and it's only a matter of time before his vocal technique (or lack thereof) keeps him from performing.

In conclusion... Chris Clancy!
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Unread 01-05-2012, 12:31 AM   #29
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Yeah, let's get freaking Chris Clancy in there stat!

Howard was an awesome vocalist. Jesse was alright, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he has anywhere near the range and power that Howard does. I definitely don't think it's a coincidence that KSE shot to fame with The End of Heartache. Not too many vocalists are that good, or that unique.

So, again... Chris Clancy!
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Unread 01-05-2012, 12:35 AM   #30
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Weird, they're pretty popular so I dont see why he'd leave if it's easy bank

The guy is a massive alcoholic- they had to cancel a (their last?) tour because of it. Dude couldn't get his shit together. I think this was more of a him 'being asked/told to leave' rather than him leaving just of his own accord. He was basically preventing them from being able to tour or function. I'm actually surprised it took them as long as it did.
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Unread 01-05-2012, 12:44 AM   #31
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this is such a terrible way to end my already terrible day.

that being said, there is only one person in my head that could do better than howard

Christian Älvestam. True facts.
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This makes me a sad panda :/...

But on the other hand:

Probably more Times Of Grace and maybe Philswitch Engage?
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Unread 01-05-2012, 03:31 AM   #33
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this is such a terrible way to end my already terrible day.

that being said, there is only one person in my head that could do better than howard

Christian Älvestam. True facts.
dude didn't want to tour with SS who tour about 10 times less than KSE.
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Unread 01-05-2012, 05:21 AM   #34
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I figured this was going to happen after Howard went on break while Phil Labonte covered for him a couple years ago. Actually just saw on Phil's twitter earlier "No, I am not joining kse".
Thank god, because Phil Labonte is a ....ing terrible singer.



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yeah Phil's a great screamer, but his cleans sound like heavy studio magic.

when they covered Believe in Nothing by Nevermore my soul cried.
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The guy is a massive alcoholic- they had to cancel a (their last?) tour because of it. Dude couldn't get his shit together. I think this was more of a him 'being asked/told to leave' rather than him leaving just of his own accord. He was basically preventing them from being able to tour or function. I'm actually surprised it took them as long as it did.
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Something doesn't add up. He's well known for being a straight edge musician
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Unread 01-05-2012, 09:46 AM   #37
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Jessie's screams were way more powerful and emotion filled than Howard's IMO, but Howard had a much more powerful singing voice.


That being said, I'm not really upset by this at all. The band definitely needed a breath of fresh air, their last couple albums were pretty generic. Alive or Just Breathing was a freakin masterpiece, and The End Of Heartache was a damn good record too, but after that...not so much.
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Now only if Jesse will make a return....that would be win.

I liked Howard, but the style of music changed when he came on board...i guess i just prefer the old killswitch sound
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yeah Phil's a great screamer, but his cleans sound like heavy studio magic.
Add Oli Herbert to that list. The crispest, cleanest solos on the album and just a total car wreck live. /OT
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Add Oli Herbert to that list. The crispest, cleanest solos on the album and just a total car wreck live. /OT
Yeah, this too. Used to really admire him, his solos are amazing on the records.

I've gone right off ATR, they're just a studio band who write boring music with good solos that they can't play live.

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I'd like to know where this was heard as well.

I've ALWAYS gotten the impression from the very day he joined that Howard was not a huge fan of KSE's music, and that he did NOT like Adam. I've witnessed quite a few tense moments between the two over the years, and seen a few snippy comments from Howard towards Adam in interviews.

Too many people saying "Bring back Jesse!!!", not enough people saying "Bring back Blood Has Been Shed!!!!"

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At first I didn't like the tone of Howard's clean vocals, but I liked the music and he eventually grew on me.

When my musical 'world' was much smaller, I would have been crushed if the singer of a band I liked was no longer there, but not anymore. I'm hopeful Killswitch will find a good replacement and put out some new stuff that I like, but if not, there's plenty of other good music to be heard
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this would happen the day i decide to wear my KSE shirt
Im having a pretty similar feeling , I just got into them like 3 weeks ago, The End of the Heartache is killer
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You forgot his classic, "Party All The Time".
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Really liked his stuff when I was first getting into music with heavy vocals, since he had such a robust singing voice. That said, his vocals just felt too "over the top" to me when I got older and they just totally dropped off my radar.

Still a Jesse Leach fan, though.
A little off topic, but Randy, no matter what you say or how intelligently you put out your thoughts, I always giggle thanks to David Vincent.

Ahem, anyway, yeah, I'm in the same boat with Howard's vocals. Jesse Leach would be a really good choice for KSE to continue with.
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dang, has it really been 9 yrs? still a kse fan but the last couple albums have been so, so...nothing as epic as "alive" or "heartache"

ive always loved jesse's sound & "times of grace" was great album. nice guy too, i meet him in fort worth when he was in seemless. i did miss having his scream style & heartfelt emotions in the kse songs. it would be great if he does come back, just hope this time he sticks to it. im sure lessons were learned on both sides.

that being said howard has some of the best vocals out there & he will def be hard to replace. if he has any issues, i wish him the best & hope they get resolved cause this guy needs to be in the music scene.

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Add Oli Herbert to that list. The crispest, cleanest solos on the album and just a total car wreck live. /OT

I have seen them twice, and Oli butchered every single solo. Along with Phil sounding like crap. Worst live band I have ever witnessed twice


Back on topic. I think it sucks that Howard is gone. I liked him a lot more than Jesse. Although I wouldnt be sad if Jesse were to rejoin the band.

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