Howard Jones leaves Killswitch Engage - Page 2

LamaSabachthani · 01-04-2012, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jstring

but his screams were always poor in my opinion. They sounded forced and dry.

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Really? I always thought his screams were so... 'distorted'... that they were almost inorganic - like a human voicebox couldn't have made them, just like jens kidman (although I do love the sound of both singers).

mithologian · 01-04-2012, 11:32 PM

First the human abstract, then this? After a year filled with so much great musical renditions, this seems to be like a rough start for 2012.
This is the lineup that got me into heavy music, now i will never be able to see this combination live. I do agree the newest album was not their best work, but id like to think its because Adam didn't produce it. Seems to be the only thing different in the formula that made heartache and daylight dies great, as well as any other records he has produced.

oddcam · 01-05-2012, 12:03 AM

Too many Howard haters in here. He can sing, scream, and everything-in-between better than 99% of metal vocalists out there, and his voice has great character.

If Jesse comes back they can do a KsE/Times of Grace tour, but he can't really sing and it's only a matter of time before his vocal technique (or lack thereof) keeps him from performing.

In conclusion... Chris Clancy!

littledoc · 01-05-2012, 12:31 AM

Yeah, let's get freaking Chris Clancy in there stat!

Howard was an awesome vocalist. Jesse was alright, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he has anywhere near the range and power that Howard does. I definitely don't think it's a coincidence that KSE shot to fame with The End of Heartache. Not too many vocalists are that good, or that unique.

So, again... Chris Clancy!

Uncreative123 · 01-05-2012, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealthdjentstic

Weird, they're pretty popular so I dont see why he'd leave if it's easy bank

The guy is a massive alcoholic- they had to cancel a (their last?) tour because of it. Dude couldn't get his shit together. I think this was more of a him 'being asked/told to leave' rather than him leaving just of his own accord. He was basically preventing them from being able to tour or function. I'm actually surprised it took them as long as it did.

TheFerryMan · 01-05-2012, 12:44 AM

this is such a terrible way to end my already terrible day.

that being said, there is only one person in my head that could do better than howard

Christian Älvestam. True facts.

Hankey · 01-05-2012, 03:25 AM

This makes me a sad panda :/...

But on the other hand:

Probably more Times Of Grace and maybe Philswitch Engage?

DLG · 01-05-2012, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFerryMan

this is such a terrible way to end my already terrible day.

that being said, there is only one person in my head that could do better than howard

Christian Älvestam. True facts.

dude didn't want to tour with SS who tour about 10 times less than KSE.

BucketheadRules · 01-05-2012, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RevDrucifer

I figured this was going to happen after Howard went on break while Phil Labonte covered for him a couple years ago. Actually just saw on Phil's twitter earlier "No, I am not joining kse".

Thank god, because Phil Labonte is a ....ing terrible singer.

I mean... seriously? Jesus Christ, he's about two and a quarter semitones off at the best of times.

DLG · 01-05-2012, 05:45 AM

yeah Phil's a great screamer, but his cleans sound like heavy studio magic.

when they covered Believe in Nothing by Nevermore my soul cried.

Harry · 01-05-2012, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Uncreative123

The guy is a massive alcoholic- they had to cancel a (their last?) tour because of it. Dude couldn't get his shit together. I think this was more of a him 'being asked/told to leave' rather than him leaving just of his own accord. He was basically preventing them from being able to tour or function. I'm actually surprised it took them as long as it did.

Source?
Something doesn't add up. He's well known for being a straight edge musician

Triple7 · 01-05-2012, 09:46 AM

Jessie's screams were way more powerful and emotion filled than Howard's IMO, but Howard had a much more powerful singing voice.

That being said, I'm not really upset by this at all. The band definitely needed a breath of fresh air, their last couple albums were pretty generic. Alive or Just Breathing was a freakin masterpiece, and The End Of Heartache was a damn good record too, but after that...not so much.

cwhitey2 · 01-05-2012, 10:14 AM

Now only if Jesse will make a return....that would be win.

I liked Howard, but the style of music changed when he came on board...i guess i just prefer the old killswitch sound

linchpin · 01-05-2012, 10:18 AM

Man I'm gonna miss his love songs.

Randy · 01-05-2012, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DLG

yeah Phil's a great screamer, but his cleans sound like heavy studio magic.

Add Oli Herbert to that list. The crispest, cleanest solos on the album and just a total car wreck live. /OT

BucketheadRules · 01-05-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Randy

Add Oli Herbert to that list. The crispest, cleanest solos on the album and just a total car wreck live. /OT

Yeah, this too. Used to really admire him, his solos are amazing on the records.

I've gone right off ATR, they're just a studio band who write boring music with good solos that they can't play live.

Triple7 · 01-05-2012, 11:12 AM

This Darkened Heart by All That Remains was an awesome record for sure, but after that they started writing in a more generic formula, which I can only assume was to gain mass appeal.

ArrowHead · 01-05-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry

Source?
Something doesn't add up. He's well known for being a straight edge musician

I'd like to know where this was heard as well.

I've ALWAYS gotten the impression from the very day he joined that Howard was not a huge fan of KSE's music, and that he did NOT like Adam. I've witnessed quite a few tense moments between the two over the years, and seen a few snippy comments from Howard towards Adam in interviews.

Too many people saying "Bring back Jesse!!!", not enough people saying "Bring back Blood Has Been Shed!!!!"

MetalDaze · 01-05-2012, 11:27 AM

At first I didn't like the tone of Howard's clean vocals, but I liked the music and he eventually grew on me.

When my musical 'world' was much smaller, I would have been crushed if the singer of a band I liked was no longer there, but not anymore. I'm hopeful Killswitch will find a good replacement and put out some new stuff that I like, but if not, there's plenty of other good music to be heard

kamello · 01-05-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BIG ND SWEATY

this would happen the day i decide to wear my KSE shirt

Im having a pretty similar feeling

, I just got into them like 3 weeks ago, The End of the Heartache is killer

Solodini · 01-05-2012, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan

I'm glad Howard Jones left Killswitch Engage because now he can get back to singing his hits like "Things Can Only Get Better", "What is Love" and "No One is to Blame"...

You forgot his classic, "Party All The Time".

Blood Ghost · 01-05-2012, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy

Really liked his stuff when I was first getting into music with heavy vocals, since he had such a robust singing voice. That said, his vocals just felt too "over the top" to me when I got older and they just totally dropped off my radar.

Still a Jesse Leach fan, though.

A little off topic, but Randy, no matter what you say or how intelligently you put out your thoughts, I always giggle thanks to David Vincent.

Ahem, anyway, yeah, I'm in the same boat with Howard's vocals. Jesse Leach would be a really good choice for KSE to continue with.

ridner · 01-05-2012, 12:21 PM

Blood Has Been Shed

M3CHK1LLA · 01-05-2012, 12:35 PM

dang, has it really been 9 yrs? still a kse fan but the last couple albums have been so, so...nothing as epic as "alive" or "heartache"

ive always loved jesse's sound & "times of grace" was great album. nice guy too, i meet him in fort worth when he was in seemless. i did miss having his scream style & heartfelt emotions in the kse songs. it would be great if he does come back, just hope this time he sticks to it. im sure lessons were learned on both sides.

that being said howard has some of the best vocals out there & he will def be hard to replace. if he has any issues, i wish him the best & hope they get resolved cause this guy needs to be in the music scene.

poopyalligator · 01-05-2012, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy

Add Oli Herbert to that list. The crispest, cleanest solos on the album and just a total car wreck live. /OT

I have seen them twice, and Oli butchered every single solo. Along with Phil sounding like crap. Worst live band I have ever witnessed twice

Back on topic. I think it sucks that Howard is gone. I liked him a lot more than Jesse. Although I wouldnt be sad if Jesse were to rejoin the band.

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01-05-2012, 12:03 AM	#28
oddcam SS.org Regular Join Date: May 2011 Location: Chicago Posts: 140 Thanked: 2 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Too many Howard haters in here. He can sing, scream, and everything-in-between better than 99% of metal vocalists out there, and his voice has great character. If Jesse comes back they can do a KsE/Times of Grace tour, but he can't really sing and it's only a matter of time before his vocal technique (or lack thereof) keeps him from performing. In conclusion... Chris Clancy! BucketheadRules and littledoc like this.

01-05-2012, 12:31 AM	#29
littledoc Go meat! Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Tulsa Posts: 575 Thanked: 10 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Yeah, let's get freaking Chris Clancy in there stat! Howard was an awesome vocalist. Jesse was alright, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he has anywhere near the range and power that Howard does. I definitely don't think it's a coincidence that KSE shot to fame with The End of Heartache. Not too many vocalists are that good, or that unique. So, again... Chris Clancy! BucketheadRules likes this.

01-05-2012, 12:44 AM	#31
TheFerryMan Skyeater Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 557 Thanked: 14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	this is such a terrible way to end my already terrible day. that being said, there is only one person in my head that could do better than howard Christian Älvestam. True facts. SD83 likes this. "TERATOPHOBIA" is an unusual fear of giving birth to a monster. twitter.com/hailthered follow me on twitter, i say stuff. I'm not trying to push my album of on anybody, but i am. it's Free(unless you want to donate) ! get at it http://hailthered.bandcamp.com/

01-05-2012, 09:46 AM	#37
Triple7 The Decepticon Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Yorktown,NY Posts: 3,094 Thanked: 43 Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Jessie's screams were way more powerful and emotion filled than Howard's IMO, but Howard had a much more powerful singing voice. That being said, I'm not really upset by this at all. The band definitely needed a breath of fresh air, their last couple albums were pretty generic. Alive or Just Breathing was a freakin masterpiece, and The End Of Heartache was a damn good record too, but after that...not so much. Randy and M3CHK1LLA like this. https://soundcloud.com/brianharrigan

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01-04-2012, 11:32 PM	#27
mithologian SS.org Regular Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Plantation, FL Posts: 344 Thanked: 9 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	First the human abstract, then this? After a year filled with so much great musical renditions, this seems to be like a rough start for 2012. This is the lineup that got me into heavy music, now i will never be able to see this combination live. I do agree the newest album was not their best work, but id like to think its because Adam didn't produce it. Seems to be the only thing different in the formula that made heartache and daylight dies great, as well as any other records he has produced.

01-05-2012, 03:25 AM	#32
Hankey SS.org Regular Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 119 Thanked: 10 / 1 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	This makes me a sad panda :/... But on the other hand: Probably more Times Of Grace and maybe Philswitch Engage?

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DLG Banned Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 3,655 Thanked: 69 $DLG is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $DLG is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $DLG is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $DLG is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $DLG is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $DLG is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $DLG is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah Phil's a great screamer, but his cleans sound like heavy studio magic. when they covered Believe in Nothing by Nevermore my soul cried.

01-05-2012, 10:14 AM	#38
cwhitey2 Death Metal™ Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Johnson City, NY Posts: 2,603 Thanked: 21 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Now only if Jesse will make a return....that would be win. I liked Howard, but the style of music changed when he came on board...i guess i just prefer the old killswitch sound Triple7 likes this. V--CLICK ME--V Home Front Booking and Promotions https://www.facebook.com/pages/Home-...36216659824342 http://www.myspace.com/cwhiteshred

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linchpin Specter Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: London Posts: 690 Thanked: 23 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Man I'm gonna miss his love songs.

01-05-2012, 11:12 AM	#42
Triple7 The Decepticon Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Yorktown,NY Posts: 3,094 Thanked: 43 Feedback Score: 6 reviews	This Darkened Heart by All That Remains was an awesome record for sure, but after that they started writing in a more generic formula, which I can only assume was to gain mass appeal. https://soundcloud.com/brianharrigan

01-05-2012, 11:27 AM	#44
MetalDaze maggots are falling Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,559 Thanked: 55 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	At first I didn't like the tone of Howard's clean vocals, but I liked the music and he eventually grew on me. When my musical 'world' was much smaller, I would have been crushed if the singer of a band I liked was no longer there, but not anymore. I'm hopeful Killswitch will find a good replacement and put out some new stuff that I like, but if not, there's plenty of other good music to be heard

01-05-2012, 12:21 PM	#48
ridner Bastard of Thousands Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: MN Posts: 1,920 Thanked: 113 Feedback Score: 21 reviews	Blood Has Been Shed kerska likes this.

01-05-2012, 12:35 PM	#49
M3CHK1LLA angel sword guardian Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: orbiting caprica Posts: 2,137 Thanked: 27 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	dang, has it really been 9 yrs? still a kse fan but the last couple albums have been so, so...nothing as epic as "alive" or "heartache" ive always loved jesse's sound & "times of grace" was great album. nice guy too, i meet him in fort worth when he was in seemless. i did miss having his scream style & heartfelt emotions in the kse songs. it would be great if he does come back, just hope this time he sticks to it. im sure lessons were learned on both sides. that being said howard has some of the best vocals out there & he will def be hard to replace. if he has any issues, i wish him the best & hope they get resolved cause this guy needs to be in the music scene. I always thought Cliff getting killed instead of Lars was like John Lennon getting killed instead of Yoko - MJS how many guitars are enough? ...just one or two more!

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