Post Rock :)

[jrg828]

So lately i've been getting tired of listening to the same old metalcore,progressive metal whatever you want to call it i guess, and i found myself dwelling into the math rock/post rock stuff, and my what a collection of music i've been missing!
I Feel like sharing all these wonderful new tunes i've been discovering:












post up some others that i didnt put up, these are just some of my favorite bands so far!

[Blasphemer]

Caspian is awesome.

[Atomshipped]

If you haven't already, you should check out Jakob. They're one of my three favorite bands along with Tool and ISIS.

Jakob - Malachite - YouTube
Jakob - Oran Mor - YouTube
Jakob - Gattaca - YouTube

[jeremyb]

Big fan of Jakob, Mogwai, Sora Shima, Explosions in the sky, This will destroy you etc... So much great Post Rock stuff out there now!!

[broj15]

GodSpeed You! Black Emperor, Explosions in the sky, Fly Panam, Mono, Toe, and Sigur Ros to name a few. Some of Moneen's stuff has a real post rock-y vibe to it. listen to their album "the theory of hormonal value". There is a surprisingly strong post rock community on here lol. It's nice that someone else has joined the party

[Electric Wizard]

Cool stuff. I'm always on the lookout for more math and post rock.

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Some of my faves right now are Russian Circles and Lye By Mistake. Neither are really straight up post rock, but I think they are appealing in the same way.

[oddcam]

These are all interesting to listen to, and I like some of them a lot (GSYBE). That said, I have a really hard time getting over the whole "post-rock" term. Are they saying rock is dead? It most definitely is not.
Is this what former rock-music listeners should progress to? That's a ballsy assumption.
Maybe they're just commenting on the fact that they sprung into existence after rock music did so. This can't be it, because then J. Bieber is post-rock too.

On my pretentiousness scale (1-10), the term "post-rock" hits 11.

[broj15]

it's just the name of a genre dude. it's probably something that got slapped on it by some music journalist just like when people started classifying hawthorne heights and My chemical romance as "emo" when in reality the get up kids, mineral, the promise ring, braid, fugazi, etc were the originators of the midwest (edit: fugazi was actually based in DC.... i know some people say fugazi wasn't emo but i still classify them... don't hate.. please? ) emo movement.

Wikipedia:

The term "post-rock" is believed to have been coined by critic Simon Reynolds in his review of Bark Psychosis' album Hex, published in the March 1994 issue of Mojo magazine.[5] Reynolds expanded upon the idea later in the May 1994 issue of The Wire.[1][6]
He used the term to describe music "using rock instrumentation for non-rock purposes, using guitars as facilitators of timbre and textures rather than riffs and power chords". He further expounded on the term,
“ Perhaps the really provocative area for future development lies... in cyborg rock; not the wholehearted embrace of Techno's methodology, but some kind of interface between real time, hands-on playing and the use of digital effects and enhancement. ”
Reynolds, in a July 2005 entry in his blog, claimed he had used the term "post-rock" before using it in Mojo, previously using it in music newspaper Melody Maker.[7] He also said he later found the term to not be of his own creation, saying in his blog, "although I genuinely believed I was coining the term, I discovered many years later it had been floating around for over a decade." The term was used by American journalist James Wolcott in a 1975 article about musician Todd Rundgren, although with a different meaning.[8] It was also used in the Rolling Stone Album Guide to name a style roughly corresponding to "avant-rock" or "out-rock".[7]
Another pre-1994 example of the term in use can be found in an April 1992 review of '90s noise-pop band The Earthmen by Steven Walker in Melbourne music publication Juke, where he describes a "post-rock noisefest".[9]

tl;dr

It's just some classification tagged onto it by some journalist or critic. Don't blame the bands, bro. blame the media.

[ry_z]

Originally Posted by oddcam

These are all interesting to listen to, and I like some of them a lot (GSYBE). That said, I have a really hard time getting over the whole "post-rock" term. Are they saying rock is dead? It most definitely is not.

It's a creation of lazy music journalists, like the bulk of genre names.

[isispelican]

[Demiurge]

Originally Posted by oddcam

These are all interesting to listen to, and I like some of them a lot (GSYBE). That said, I have a really hard time getting over the whole "post-rock" term. Are they saying rock is dead?

I always read the "post-[genre]" label not as a denunciation of the bracketed genre but rather as a sign that certain elements of the genre are used in a manner different from (an arbitrarily-defined) tradition.

The stickiest wicket is probably the argument: "there's post-rock/punk/hardcore/metal... would that prefigure that there's a general rock/punk/hardcore/metal sound, which is not hard to show that there... so post-rock/punk/hardcore/metal artists are rock/punk/hardcore/metal artists?"

That's always the issue with sub-genres- oftentimes they can devolve into pedantic border wars that make you want to be a post-music listener (tee-hee, awful pun)... yet somehow if someone mentions that a band is of a certain sub-genre, I can know what to expect for the most part, so the label is a valid signifier.

That said, to this thread.

[Spaceman_Spiff]

Pelican is one of my all time favorite bands, and i like this will destroy you as well...I could never get into the bands that have a lot of electronic stuff in them, because I like the more barebones approach of straight GB&D.

As for the genre classification I generally don't like to read too much into what an area of music is defined by, because there are so many bands that are lumped into genres where I feel they kind of stand out from the others...such as Pelican

And in my sig is a post-rockish song I recorded at a friends house in 30 minutes with a terrible soundcard...soo

/shameless plug

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[ArrowHead]

Just to be sure - would post-cock rock be the same thing as post cock-rock?

I want to be absolutely sure before starting my glam band.

[need4speed]

This is my theory of "Genres".

Back when the pop music recording scene really first started taking off in the 40's and 50's. When there first was a thing that they started calling "Rock-n-Roll". It was a brand-name. Think about that. American Graffiti. Drive-thru's, greasers, and Hot Rods.

Even by the 1960's, it was changing, dramatically, in sound. Part of that was musicians just being bored of doing the same damn thing to make producers and recording executives happy. I'm sure that kids would have gone on buying the same damn crap. Wouldn't they?

Then, they started calling it Acid Rock. Progressive Rock. Hard Rock, Soft Rock. Then there was Heavy Metal Rock. Classic Rock. Punk Rock. Fusion. I think Metallica came along and they pretty much redefined "Metal" - but it was all part of the commercial acceptance of what had originally been a movement to reject commercial acceptance. Because you can't sell mainstream commercialism to youth culture that is based on rebellion. This is what "Rock" is all about.

I liked to even think that this cool new "Genre" I had heard about called "Rock In Opposition" was something new or different. But really, that even started with some old bands back in 1969, Magma, Art Bears, etc.

This is all about marketing rebellion. That's all "Genre" is. Trying to hang a label on something that is part of a current bit of culture, so that it can be priced and sold.

But time marches on, and culture changes.

Here's some ancient mathcore:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oROh...eature=related

[AdamMaz]

[Konfyouzd]

So *this* is post rock, eh? I like it.

This is the kind of music I hear in my head.

[shreddanson]

One of my favorite genres, could care less about the "pretentiousness" of it. It's some of the best music out there.

[Konfyouzd]

What's pretentious about sounding good?

[GnarlesBronson]

Great thread, will frequent.

[ArrowHead]

Originally Posted by Konfyouzd

What's pretentious about sounding good?

The name.

post first came about when the musicians in the hardcore scene began to musically mature and branch out into styles that were no longer hardcore/punk. Thus it was the post-hardcore movement.

Post-rock would then make many assume that these musicians were similarly maturing beyond the rock genre. But in fact, they're still playing rock. Some may find that pretentious. I just find it confusing and misleading.

For what it's worth, I've liked the majority of what has been posted in this thread. I just don't understand what's not "rock" about it.

[Konfyouzd]

Oh okay--fair enough. This is partially why I choose not to concern myself w/ nomenclature. That and the fact that genres evolve faster than I can learn the names any damn way.

[ArrowHead]

Originally Posted by Konfyouzd

That and the fact that genres evolve faster than I can learn the names any damn way.

That's the problem I have. So often I see a puzzling genre title like this, only to listen to the examples and say "oh, THIS stuff. I like this".

[celticelk]

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

The name.

post first came about when the musicians in the hardcore scene began to musically mature and branch out into styles that were no longer hardcore/punk. Thus it was the post-hardcore movement.

Post-rock would then make many assume that these musicians were similarly maturing beyond the rock genre. But in fact, they're still playing rock. Some may find that pretentious. I just find it confusing and misleading.

For what it's worth, I've liked the majority of what has been posted in this thread. I just don't understand what's not "rock" about it.

I think in this situation you have to think of "post" in the sense of "coming after" without any necessary evolutionary component. "Post-rock" couldn't have happened without "rock": it's what happened when musicians started treating rock instrumentation as a means to generate atmospheres and textures rather than more "traditional" rock-based riffs and chords. Likewise "post-metal" when post-rock ideas got applied to metal sounds: Neurosis, Isis, Pelican, etc. I think that probably "post-hardcore" is an exception in the "post"-music world, largely because (warning: personal opinion!) the punk subgenres tend to be more zealous about what constitutes their particular genre and subgenres, and so "post-hardcore" came to be a way of *separating* one's work from hardcore, rather than describing a movement *within* it.

[Konfyouzd]

Originally Posted by celticelk

the punk subgenres tend to be more zealous about what constitutes their particular genre and subgenres, and so "post-hardcore" came to be a way of *separating* one's work from hardcore, rather than describing a movement *within* it.

As it should be... They're punks! jk