Vildhjarta thread!!

[DLG]

Originally Posted by Stealthdjentstic

This, to be honest I don't even really see why people find a lot of djent bands sound like Meshuggah. They don't at all and have more in common with metalcore bands than Meshuggah IMO. Vildhjarta definately sounds like it's own unique entity.

if you hear the tone and the riffing style of this album and your first association isn't Nothing, then you either heard of meshuggah after discovering djent or you're lying to yourself.

of course they don't sound exactly like meshuggah and they are not trying to, but meshuggah is the stepping stone from which their music stems and that's glaringly obvious.

[TheBloodstained]

Originally Posted by DLG

if you hear the tone and the riffing style of this album and your first association isn't Nothing, then you either heard of meshuggah after discovering djent or you're lying to yourself.

of course they don't sound exactly like meshuggah and they are not trying to, but meshuggah is the stepping stone from which their music stems and that's glaringly obvious.

No... just no!

I bought, and thoroughly listened to, Nothing a long time before discovering djent. I don't see/hear any similarities between Meshuggah and Vildhjarta. Vildhjarta has a much more unique tone. Twangy-ish. Meshuggah has what I would call an extremely well-defined high gain metal tone. You can't compare the two! It's like trying to compare apples to oranges!

As for the riffing style, Vildhjarta has alot more upper register tones incorporated in their compositions! Like someone said, *booooWbombom squeee-squiiirck booooowbgbgboooowbom squeee-squeeeezzzch*!
Never heard Meshuggah doing anything like that?

[DLG]

what band would you say is Vildhjarta's main influence then? or do you think they have just reinvented the wheel with this album?

[TheBloodstained]

Originally Posted by DLG

what band would you say is Vildhjarta's main influence then? or do you think they have just reinvented the wheel with this album?

I didn't say that they wasn't influenced by them - I'm just saying that they don't sound like them! Please do not mix those things up!

It is possible to be influenced by a band without using their sound or writing with their style. I don't sound anything like the bands that inspire me when I write music

To me Vildhjarta most certainly have developed their own distinct sound, and I'm glad they did, 'cause it is a refreshing little breath of air with all this "generic djent sound" that's going on atm
Not that I don't enjoy the generic djent sound... I had just reached a point where I needed something different for a bit

catch my point?

[Stealthdjentstic]

Originally Posted by DLG

if you hear the tone and the riffing style of this album and your first association isn't Nothing, then you either heard of meshuggah after discovering djent or you're lying to yourself.

of course they don't sound exactly like meshuggah and they are not trying to, but meshuggah is the stepping stone from which their music stems and that's glaringly obvious.

Seeing as I've been here since 07 I probably found Meshuggah first

[Prydogga]

What exactly are you trying to say? You've already agreed they don't sound like Meshuggah and don't try to. so what now?

Edit: Referring to DLG

[DLG]

i guess my definition of "sounds like" is a lot more general then.

like I realize that Angra "Angels Cry" doesn't sound exactly like Helloween's "Keep of the Seven Keys," it has many elements in the music that Helloween didn't, but the album does sound like Helloween in the sense that the music hear on the album is directly influenced by Helloween and would not exist if it were not for the existence of Helloween prior to that.

[TheBloodstained]

I just thought about it, and I think Vildhjarta is more like a pissed-off version of TesseracT if anything?

EDIT:
...it was just a random thought btw!

[seba_mathcore]

eyy people... i'm a djent listener.. and of course vildhjarta is one of my favourites... so.. sorry about my english and my ignorance but.. what does THALL mean??? i see it every where but what is it?? where does it come from? please at least send me an P.M.

[Iamasingularity]

I think Vildhjarta`s tone is pretty unique. The only band I can think of that has a tone similar to theirs is Monuments. Anyone that says Vildharta are trying to copy Meshuggah have no depth in their listening skills. Almost all Meshuggah songs follow 4/4 and incorporate really wicked rides, grooves and polyrythms. Its just how they write their stuff. Vildhjarta are distant from Meshuggah. I think people don`t understand what Djent really is. Just because someone coined it doesn`t mean they created it. I`ve heard alot of thrash metal and other genres of music where djent like tone/riffing existed earlier than the formation of Meshuggah. I mean cmon, just pickup a spanish guitar and play an open note, there thats djent as well. Its got that all the characters that would label it as djent. There are no bands that have the same writing structure as meshuggah. None. There are a few songs by bands like the Omega Virus/Vortice that do have that, but saying that Vildhjarta`s main influence is Meshuggah is just ignorant. Look at the guys from Meshuggah, they listened to Anthrax, even Metallica! They started out sounding and using a similar structure to Mettalica in Contradictions Collapse. Now look at them. Anyone who said Meshuggah are ripping off Metallica would have to be retarded.

Conclusion: Its obvious that the Vildharta`s production is not like of the "Nothing Album" and they don`t have any 4/4, or ridiculus runs, riffing, tapping and vocals that Meshuggah have. Anyone whos thinks Vildhjarta`s concept is based on Meshuggah`s work has brain damage. derhhpp!

[Iamasingularity]

Originally Posted by seba_mathcore

eyy people... i'm a djent listener.. and of course vildhjarta is one of my favourites... so.. sorry about my english and my ignorance but.. what does THALL mean??? i see it every where but what is it?? where does it come from? please at least send me an P.M.

THALL IS THALL.

I hope that helped.

[Xarn]

Originally Posted by Iamasingularity

but saying that Vildhjarta`s main influence is Meshuggah is just ignorant.

Eh? Not sure I understood you here, but fact remains Vildhjarta are strongly influenced by Meshuggah, what other bands? Tesseract? These guys were doing this stuff about the same time TesseracT were doing djent with ambient sections (+- a year or two). The ambientlayers and cleantone is obviously picked up from bands like Uneven Structure, TesseracT but the groove, tone and chords are all influences from Meshuggah, you don't think Meshuggah do those highpitched notes - lower rhythm stuff? Go listen to Chaosphere. I think the band has even said it themselves that Meshuggah is their biggest influence, theyre even from the same parts of Sweden...

Now being influenced by and ripping off is two completely different things, I don't consider Vildhjarta to ripoff Meshuggah, but they are definitely influenced by them.

[NovaReaper]

from what i can tell THALL is just the open note sound of the lowest strings with extreme twang and no palm mute. the opposite of djent.

and this shit sounds SO much like meshuggah it's ridiculous. like meshuggah meets ion dissonance.

[DLG]

a dude from the band said so himself in this very thread.

Originally Posted by seyd

we're not following any wagon imo, we obviously wouldnt be doing this if it werent for meshuggah, it's not like we could foresee that djent or whatever would be what it is today. we just want to make music because we love it, we dont force people to listen to it, we are def not one of those bands posting clips on every board out there, the only promotion we have is the one centurymedia is forcing us to do =)

i fully respect your opinion tho, everyone is free to think whatever they want

[Stealthdjentstic]

Originally Posted by seba_mathcore

eyy people... i'm a djent listener.. and of course vildhjarta is one of my favourites... so.. sorry about my english and my ignorance but.. what does THALL mean??? i see it every where but what is it?? where does it come from? please at least send me an P.M.

Well you see, thall is basically thall.

[NaYoN]

Ok, Vildhjarta obviously has some Meshuggah influence, especially older Meshuggah, but why is everyone getting so worked up about this and denying it? What's so wrong about being influenced? No one's saying they're ripping off Meshuggah, it's just an influence.

Geeze.

[Iamasingularity]

Originally Posted by Xarn

Eh? Not sure I understood you here, but fact remains Vildhjarta are strongly influenced by Meshuggah, what other bands? Tesseract? These guys were doing this stuff about the same time TesseracT were doing djent with ambient sections (+- a year or two). The ambientlayers and cleantone is obviously picked up from bands like Uneven Structure, TesseracT but the groove, tone and chords are all influences from Meshuggah, you don't think Meshuggah do those highpitched notes - lower rhythm stuff? Go listen to Chaosphere. I think the band has even said it themselves that Meshuggah is their biggest influence, theyre even from the same parts of Sweden...

Now being influenced by and ripping off is two completely different things, I don't consider Vildhjarta to ripoff Meshuggah, but they are definitely influenced by them.

I think you don`t get my point. Although there are from Sweden and they love Meshuggah and for sure must be influenced that way, as far as I`ve heard both of their works, there arern`t any grooves, major riffage thats close to the Chaosphere or other Meshuggah albums in Masstaden. If you think open notes and bar chords are the only things both there bands play, you are much mistaken. Many bands have that. Even Korn for godsake have open notes and chords like that, but can`t really say Korn is like Meshuggah right?.
I did listen to Chaosphere again, because you said so; and other than one riff in Corridors of Chameleons, there is nothing that would make me think of Vildhjarta. I do agree the tone is similar, but still distinctly different (I`m sure my ears are not full of earwax) Also I never said anything about them ripping off Meshuggah, in fact my post was about how they weren`t ripping off Meshuggah. Sure they love Meshuggah, but I`m pretty sure that they just don`t listen to them all day or be inspired by only through their works. Hope that cleared it up.

Originally Posted by NovaReaper

from what i can tell THALL is just the open note sound of the lowest strings with extreme twang and no palm mute. the opposite of djent.

I agree, completely. Thall is Thall, Djent is Djent.

[DLG]

Originally Posted by NaYoN

Ok, Vildhjarta obviously has some Meshuggah influence, especially older Meshuggah, but why is everyone getting so worked up about this and denying it? What's so wrong about being influenced? No one's saying they're ripping off Meshuggah, it's just an influence.

Geeze.

pretty much this.

when I say "sound like" it means influenced by very clearly, not "ripping them off completely."

[Iamasingularity]

Originally Posted by NaYoN

Ok, Vildhjarta obviously has some Meshuggah influence, especially older Meshuggah, but why is everyone getting so worked up about this and denying it? What's so wrong about being influenced? No one's saying they're ripping off Meshuggah, it's just an influence.

Geeze.

Yes I totally believe they love/like Meshuggah. I was just talking about how when I listen to Meshuggah, I don`t think "Wow this is totally Vildhjarta kind of stuff! or vise versa. I never said there`s something wrong about being influenced, I said that I didn`t hear anything on Masstaden that woud remind me of Meshuggah, especially from Chaosphere. And my post was about how they aren`t ripping of Meshuggah, in context to a post in the previous pages.
I`m not making blatant statements or hating on Vildhjarta. I have the album and love it, but just didn`t throughout the album think of Meshuggah.
Worked up? Not me man. I`m smoking a joint, far from it.

[Scar Symmetry]

This album is really good. The creativity behind the riffs is incredible, such interesting riffs.

[Daggorath]

Loving this, really unique riffage. Bit gutted they dropped most of the clean vocals from omnislash though. Was one of the reasons I originally dug them years back. Still a great album though.

[Iamasingularity]

Originally Posted by Daggorath

Loving this, really unique riffage. Bit gutted they dropped most of the clean vocals from omnislash though. Was one of the reasons I originally dug them years back. Still a great album though.

If your still interested in Robert`s material, you can check out https://www.facebook.com/meansend his new band. The EP is short but man..
All 3 songs blew my mind. Please check them out

[dantel666]

Got my pre-order in. Sitting here with the lyrics listening to it and the concept makes so much more sense and the video for benblast makes so much more sense now.

THALL

[Triple7]

that's awesome, I can't wait until my pre-order arrives. Hopefully it will be waiting for me when I get home from work, I'm dying to read the lyrics!

[NaYoN]

Got Djent interview in which they only mention Meshuggah as their influence. 04:58 they say the reason their album is so dark is "we like dark and heavy music, we like Meshuggah, so we wanted to be darker."