Uncheesy Metal Suggestions?

[Bigfan]

Oh noes, tonality!

[John Strieder]

Originally Posted by Bigfan

Oh noes, tonality!

Fortunately, in classical music, tonality died already in 1908.

[KingAenarion]

Listen to the whole thing... do it (if you like polyrhythms and atonalism you'll love after 4:00)




Also, check out Psycroptic



Interesting question. Do you like ANYTHING with Melody, like say Opeth?

[Aorta]

Interesting question. Do you like ANYTHING with Melody, like say Opeth?

No, not at all. I like melody (and even a Chaosphere-Riff is a kind of Melody), but no diatonic or tonal-related ones.
15 years ago maybe, but I just found things I enjoy much more.

Originally Posted by KingAenarion

Listen to the whole thing... do it (if you like polyrhythms and atonalism you'll love after 4:00)

Hehe, I prefer

[KingAenarion]

Originally Posted by Aorta

No, not at all. I like melody (and even a Chaosphere-Riff is a kind of Melody), but no diatonic or tonal-related ones.
15 years ago maybe, but I just found things I enjoy much more.



Hehe, I prefer

I find most of Ligetti's compositions a little over structured and slightly pretentious in their use of arrangement. Schoenberg however was a true genius.


There is of course a whole range of music other than diatonic and atonal. Thought about expanding your sphere into Indian or Japanese traditional styles (Taiko drumming music would be great for you)... as would a lot of Middle eastern music.

[NaYoN]

Originally Posted by KingAenarion

I find most of Ligetti's compositions a little over structured and slightly pretentious in their use of arrangement. Schoenberg however was a true genius.


There is of course a whole range of music other than diatonic and atonal. Thought about expanding your sphere into Indian or Japanese traditional styles (Taiko drumming music would be great for you)... as would a lot of Middle eastern music.

Middle eastern instruments aren't even 12 EDO so the sounds you get are way different from western tonality.

This is the baglama, with 15 non-equal divisions of an octave:


Even going back, classical Ottoman music has more notes in their scales than usual western music:

[John Strieder]

Originally Posted by KingAenarion

Schoenberg however was a true genius.

Yeah! Could we create a Schoenberg-Lovers-Group on sevenstring.org?



Notice how Schoenberg invented Grindcore at 00:58

[pineappleman]

Originally Posted by Aorta

(to me) "bad" Bands:

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Sikth
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[Aorta]

Originally Posted by pineappleman

You didn't read my post well. However, I guess there are some bands out there you don't enjoy, too.

[great_kthulu]

lets see, how about the red chord?

or some death


Misery index could hold some interest for you

I would also suggest finding some really good grindcore, assuck and nasum come to mind, though you really need to listen to a whole album to get the full experience.

[SirMyghin]

Originally Posted by Aorta

No, not at all. I like melody (and even a Chaosphere-Riff is a kind of Melody), but no diatonic or tonal-related ones.
15 years ago maybe, but I just found things I enjoy much more.

So you preferred structured noise to music. Gotcha.

[NaYoN]

Originally Posted by SirMyghin

So you preferred structured noise to music. Gotcha.

Nope. Wikipedia: "Music is an art form whose medium is sound and silence. Common elements of music are pitch (which governs melody and harmony), rhythm (and its associated concepts tempo, meter, and articulation), dynamics, and the sonic qualities of timbre and texture."

Just because it doesn't fit your narrow boundaries doesn't mean it's not music, sorry. Not only does Schoenberg disagree with you, the middle and far east also disagree with you, along with Africa.

[SirMyghin]

not wikipedia, oh noes!

As far as tonality being a 'narrow' boundary, you obviously haven't done much to explore it. It probably presents as many or more avenues than atonality as to achieve one you have to actively stray. I know random intervals and 'dissonance' are hip around here, but really dissonance without context isn't actually dissonance. Kind of like how it can't be dark until the light goes away, so shying away from anything 'tonal' is really silly.

[John Strieder]

Originally Posted by SirMyghin

As far as tonality being a 'narrow' boundary, you obviously haven't done much to explore it. [...]

Tonality was a little island of music in west-europe between ~1700 and ~1900.

[Duelbart]

Originally Posted by SirMyghin

As far as tonality being a 'narrow' boundary

If you consider anything non-tonal to be no more than structured noise then you are creating narrow boundaries.

[SirMyghin]

Originally Posted by Duelbart

If you consider anything non-tonal to be no more than structured noise then you are creating narrow boundaries.

Fair enough, I tend to only extend that only to the 'modern metal scene' in this case, otherwise I have dabbled in stuff like dodecaphony and such (it can be a fun restriction). I have also used atonality to create chaos, through well structured noise . Worlds apart though, it all works a lot better if you have something to depart from. Listener expectations aren't quite enough as the ears quickly adapt.

[John Strieder]

Originally Posted by SirMyghin

it all works a lot better if you have something to depart from.

That's one way, but there are many ways.

[NaYoN]

Originally Posted by SirMyghin

not wikipedia, oh noes!

As far as tonality being a 'narrow' boundary, you obviously haven't done much to explore it. It probably presents as many or more avenues than atonality as to achieve one you have to actively stray. I know random intervals and 'dissonance' are hip around here, but really dissonance without context isn't actually dissonance. Kind of like how it can't be dark until the light goes away, so shying away from anything 'tonal' is really silly.

I can also provide the formal definition of music we've studied in Music Theory, but I have no reference for that so Wiki will have to do.

As for the rant part, if you consider everything that doesn't fit into your criteria to be noise, then yes, it is a narrow boundary. Not even talking about metal here. I haven't advocated anything for purely atonal music, I'm just saying confining yourself to a specific set of tones is needless.

I know many guitar players who can play completely chromatic solos over major chords and still sound melodic and awesome. It's not about what method you use to do it, it's about how it sounds in the end.

[UltimateDooM]

I think socalled "atonal" music is a quite interesting area. Most tonal music is boring or sounds just like what another person had already done some hundreds of years back. Back in 1752 LOL. The modern contemporary classical stuff and also some exceptional metal bands however, sound fresh and precise. So I used to know Neck, and when they became Car Bomb, the result was simply perfect, to me.



Edit: I am aware that the thread starter already mentioned them in his set of "good" bands.

[Bigfan]

ITT; Metal hipsters.













sorry

[Aorta]

[Aorta]

Maybe I should have asked for

Meshuggah-Clone without Melody (like Meshuggah)

or

Ion Dissonance-Clone without Melody (like Ion Dissonance)

instead

[NaYoN]

There's the occasional clean vocals but it's mostly atonal.

[AborteD]

Try some KNUT, awesome band from Switzerland, with a lot of dissonnant riffing - 0% "cheesy".
Recommanded albums : Challenger, Wonder

[ittoa666]

Just listen to Devourment.