"Why do we still bother with encores?"

ROAR · 03-31-2011, 01:16 PM

Why Do We Still Bother With Encores? - Page 1 - Music - Dallas - Dallas Observer

Interesting article.
And I agree. Last concert I saw was
Animals as Leaders in Feb and they played
most songs from the album. However, if
they were a bigger band and more people
were into it then it would have been nice to see
them come back out and play Soraya or Inamorata.
Something that wasn't CAFO or Tempting Time.
(that's just an example)

I've never gotten to see a true Encore performance
since I was probably 5-6 when I saw Paul McCartney
and his encore was stuff from Wings and a few random song.
Nothing that was classic Beatles songs if you get what I mean.

It's interesting Zakk Wylde doesn't do encores and I'd like to
see some more bands "bring back" the encore.

Just my

Hope you enjoy the article.

Asrial · 03-31-2011, 01:20 PM

Devin Townsend, Dream Theater and KoRn does encores. I actually thought it was a custom to do at least one encore song if the crowd demanded it and they got the back catalogue to support it. O.o

DLG · 03-31-2011, 01:22 PM

encores are "fake" 98 percent of the time.

they are already planning on playing those songs. they just leave the stage for a couple minutes and make you wait a bit before playing a couple more.

a real encore would be if the venue turned on the lights and had to turn them back off again because the crowd wouldn't leave or stop chanting after the gig until they heard one more song.

ArrowHead · 03-31-2011, 01:26 PM

Best encore I've seen to date was helloween/gamma ray. After each played their set, they ALL came out together and played some classic Helloween tunes together. Kai playing w/ helloween is something I wanted to see once in my life. Mission accomplished.

synrgy · 03-31-2011, 01:31 PM

Good read, and I'm in full agreement.

The last time I saw a 'real' encore was actually my first concert: Billy Joel's 'Storm Front' tour in 1993. He actually did 4 encores that night, 1 song each. Every time he left the stage, the lights came up and the venue staff was directing attendees to go home via the house PA. Still, the crowd would not settle or disperse, nor extinguish their lighters or stop shouting at the top of their lungs. I do believe that he returned to the stage each time simply to avoid a riotous outbreak from the audience.

Conversely, when I went to see the NIN|JA tour a couple years ago, Jane's Addiction did one of those obviously planned encores; leaving the stage for a couple of minutes while the crowd barely made any noise at all, then returning to the stage to play 'Jane Says', as if anyone believed for even a fraction of a second that they wouldn't have played that song at some point in the evening. Lame.

splinter8451 · 03-31-2011, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLG

encores are "fake" 98 percent of the time.

they are already planning on playing those songs. they just leave the stage for a couple minutes and make you wait a bit before playing a couple more.

a real encore would be if the venue turned on the lights and had to turn them back off again because the crowd wouldn't leave or stop chanting after the gig until they heard one more song.

Yea this guy speaks the truth.

In the one Dream Theater DVD you can see their "encore" list on their setlists

ArrowHead · 03-31-2011, 01:32 PM

BTW - the answer to the question is painfully ignored in the article.

The "encore" has come to be expected at shows. So when the band plays and DOESN'T do it, if the audience is expecting one they will be leaving disappointed.

NaYoN · 03-31-2011, 01:38 PM

Yeah most bands have the last song on their setlist listed as "encore", and it's usually their most popular song. So you know they'll play it, it's just a stupid tradition.

The problem is, for a real encore, the band should be not planning on playing the song, so the song will be unrehearsed, and some bands just can't do that.

I watched Periphery's album release concert, and they did a real encore of Zyglrox, it was the first time they played the song together, and they were very anxious about their performance. It turned out awesome anyway, but not every band has the chops/balls to do it.

Varcolac · 03-31-2011, 02:54 PM

Bad Religion just keep playing until the house lights come on. Much better way to spend the time than going off stage to keep the audience cheering for another song. Encores are just ego-massages in my opinion.

Went to see Manowar on Sunday, and towards the end they were off the stage between almost every song, milking the applause.

That said, Manowar are pretty much a parody of themselves, and always have been, so it was to be expected.

-42- · 03-31-2011, 02:57 PM

I was at a Suicide Silence show (not really my thing, but you know what they say about gift horses and whatnot) and they actually did play an encore, and a Deftones cover at that. Easily the best song of the night.

ArrowHead · 03-31-2011, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Varcolac

Bad Religion just keep playing until the house lights come on.

I'm pretty sure they did an encore when I saw them recently.

synrgy · 03-31-2011, 03:12 PM

Also, as I mentioned in a concert review post I made a year or two ago, Tool is responsible for the most pretentious non-encore I've ever witnessed. I still love their music, but I'm pretty thoroughly convinced from their antics that evening that they aren't 'humble' dudes by any stretch of the imagination.

Before 'leaving' the stage, they put down all their instruments and stood at the front of the stage, completely still, arms folded, drenched in flood lights. They just stood there, motionless, for 3-5 minutes, before leaving the stage for a couple of minutes, only to come back and play Vicarious, or some such. Super, super lame.

ZOMB13 · 03-31-2011, 03:24 PM

I tend to dislike when bands do that, as it's cleary noticable the encore was pre-determined and part of the set list.

My band has been asked for and encore about twice, and not the
"drunk friend of the band screaming hysterically" encore, but the audience yelling and chanting "one more song!" as we are taking our stuff down.

It would be awesome if that came back to live shows and not be a predetermined part of the set.

Varcolac · 03-31-2011, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

I'm pretty sure they did an encore when I saw them recently.

Damn. When I saw them a few years ago it was song after song after song without a break. Sucks if they've bought in to the whole encore shebang.

ArrowHead · 03-31-2011, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varcolac

Damn. When I saw them a few years ago it was song after song after song without a break. Sucks if they've bought in to the whole encore shebang.

They've always done them here and there, from what I know. But it's not the typical "it's expected every time".

And YES, their shows are unrelenting. They play song after song after song. You get your monies worth for sure.

The Hiryuu · 03-31-2011, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

Best encore I've seen to date was helloween/gamma ray. After each played their set, they ALL came out together and played some classic Helloween tunes together. Kai playing w/ helloween is something I wanted to see once in my life. Mission accomplished.

....! Now I'm even MORE pissed that I missed that show.

Oh, and Abnormality had a show once where we got such a crowd reception that we felt obliged for an encore (We had already shut off our amps)...and we ended up playing a song that wasn't even fully written yet.

ArrowHead · 03-31-2011, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hiryuu

....! Now I'm even MORE pissed that I missed that show.

Staples?

Valknut · 03-31-2011, 03:45 PM

Yeah warrel from nevermore always clowns encore performances on stage. He will say stuff along the lines of "This is the part where we pretend to leave and hide backstage and blahblahblah HERE IS THE LAST SONG" to avoid being ingenuine.

I really think encores shouldn't be abolished, but there should be a new way of going about them at least.

The Hiryuu · 03-31-2011, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

Staples?

Nah. Ben, the new(ish) guy. i_am_not_me on RTTP.

ArrowHead · 03-31-2011, 04:18 PM

Ahh. All that hair, I can never tell you guys apart.

ArrowHead · 03-31-2011, 04:18 PM

p.s. - there's some videos of the helloween/gamma ray encores on youtube.

SirMyghin · 03-31-2011, 04:37 PM

The only time I have been surprised by an encore was when Mountain opened for Joe Satriani (satchafunkilicus tour) Leslie West and Satriani were playing duets, Jeff Becks Going Down most notably. Now that, was cool.

vampiregenocide · 03-31-2011, 04:52 PM

Devin Townsend was quite funny when he did an encore when I saw him.

'So this is the part when we pretend to go off stage but actually come back and play a few more songs. So see you in a minute! Wait...you're not supposed to think I'm coming back..'

ittoa666 · 03-31-2011, 05:47 PM

I think it's funny as hell when people leave before the last songs. It happens every time when I see Megadeth.

Demiurge · 03-31-2011, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by vampiregenocide

Devin Townsend was quite funny when he did an encore when I saw him.

'So this is the part when we pretend to go off stage but actually come back and play a few more songs. So see you in a minute! Wait...you're not supposed to think I'm coming back..'

IIRC at the show I was at, Devin said something about going to take a shit and then play more songs.

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03-31-2011, 01:16 PM	#1
ROAR Oaf Tobar Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,804 Thanked: 15 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	"Why do we still bother with encores?" Why Do We Still Bother With Encores? - Page 1 - Music - Dallas - Dallas Observer Interesting article. And I agree. Last concert I saw was Animals as Leaders in Feb and they played most songs from the album. However, if they were a bigger band and more people were into it then it would have been nice to see them come back out and play Soraya or Inamorata. Something that wasn't CAFO or Tempting Time. (that's just an example) I've never gotten to see a true Encore performance since I was probably 5-6 when I saw Paul McCartney and his encore was stuff from Wings and a few random song. Nothing that was classic Beatles songs if you get what I mean. It's interesting Zakk Wylde doesn't do encores and I'd like to see some more bands "bring back" the encore. Just my Hope you enjoy the article.

03-31-2011, 01:20 PM	#2
Asrial Heaviest brony Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Sorø, Denmark Posts: 1,246 Thanked: 21 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Devin Townsend, Dream Theater and KoRn does encores. I actually thought it was a custom to do at least one encore song if the crowd demanded it and they got the back catalogue to support it. O.o The Asrial Project Bandcamp The Asrial Project Soundcloud The Asrial Project Twitter The Asrial Project Facebook JeffFromMtl: Anyone who says sex is over-rated is doing it wrong. I don't care how good your stupid toffee brioche pudding is. Myself: Han shot first

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ArrowHead SS.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,436 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Best encore I've seen to date was helloween/gamma ray. After each played their set, they ALL came out together and played some classic Helloween tunes together. Kai playing w/ helloween is something I wanted to see once in my life. Mission accomplished. DLG likes this. My Youtube Channel My Bandcamp Page

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synrgy Iraq Lobster. Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 5,619 Thanked: 65 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Good read, and I'm in full agreement. The last time I saw a 'real' encore was actually my first concert: Billy Joel's 'Storm Front' tour in 1993. He actually did 4 encores that night, 1 song each. Every time he left the stage, the lights came up and the venue staff was directing attendees to go home via the house PA. Still, the crowd would not settle or disperse, nor extinguish their lighters or stop shouting at the top of their lungs. I do believe that he returned to the stage each time simply to avoid a riotous outbreak from the audience. Conversely, when I went to see the NIN\|JA tour a couple years ago, Jane's Addiction did one of those obviously planned encores; leaving the stage for a couple of minutes while the crowd barely made any noise at all, then returning to the stage to play 'Jane Says', as if anyone believed for even a fraction of a second that they wouldn't have played that song at some point in the evening. Lame. ___________________________________________ The best thread I'll ever post Guitar Tunes Electronic Work Hobbits are a Tolkein minority.

03-31-2011, 01:32 PM	#7
ArrowHead SS.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,436 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	BTW - the answer to the question is painfully ignored in the article. The "encore" has come to be expected at shows. So when the band plays and DOESN'T do it, if the audience is expecting one they will be leaving disappointed. My Youtube Channel My Bandcamp Page

03-31-2011, 01:38 PM	#8
NaYoN Heavy Blog Is Heavy Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Baltimore MD Posts: 1,589 Thanked: 19 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah most bands have the last song on their setlist listed as "encore", and it's usually their most popular song. So you know they'll play it, it's just a stupid tradition. The problem is, for a real encore, the band should be not planning on playing the song, so the song will be unrehearsed, and some bands just can't do that. I watched Periphery's album release concert, and they did a real encore of Zyglrox, it was the first time they played the song together, and they were very anxious about their performance. It turned out awesome anyway, but not every band has the chops/balls to do it. I can't not buy Parker guitars. My 9 string carbon fiber custom guitar Author for HeavyBlogIsHeavy - http://www.heavyblogisheavy.com Check out my solo project: NYN Guitarist of Carthage

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-42- Nothing to see here Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Cental Coast, CA Posts: 2,342 Thanked: 36 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I was at a Suicide Silence show (not really my thing, but you know what they say about gift horses and whatnot) and they actually did play an encore, and a Deftones cover at that. Easily the best song of the night.

03-31-2011, 03:12 PM	#12
synrgy Iraq Lobster. Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 5,619 Thanked: 65 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Also, as I mentioned in a concert review post I made a year or two ago, Tool is responsible for the most pretentious non-encore I've ever witnessed. I still love their music, but I'm pretty thoroughly convinced from their antics that evening that they aren't 'humble' dudes by any stretch of the imagination. Before 'leaving' the stage, they put down all their instruments and stood at the front of the stage, completely still, arms folded, drenched in flood lights. They just stood there, motionless, for 3-5 minutes, before leaving the stage for a couple of minutes, only to come back and play Vicarious, or some such. Super, super lame. ___________________________________________ The best thread I'll ever post Guitar Tunes Electronic Work Hobbits are a Tolkein minority.

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ZOMB13 SS.org Zombie ! Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 3,400 Thanked: 59 Feedback Score: 22 reviews	I tend to dislike when bands do that, as it's cleary noticable the encore was pre-determined and part of the set list. My band has been asked for and encore about twice, and not the "drunk friend of the band screaming hysterically" encore, but the audience yelling and chanting "one more song!" as we are taking our stuff down. It would be awesome if that came back to live shows and not be a predetermined part of the set.

03-31-2011, 03:45 PM	#18
Valknut Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: WA Posts: 90 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah warrel from nevermore always clowns encore performances on stage. He will say stuff along the lines of "This is the part where we pretend to leave and hide backstage and blahblahblah HERE IS THE LAST SONG" to avoid being ingenuine. I really think encores shouldn't be abolished, but there should be a new way of going about them at least.

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SirMyghin The Dirt Guy Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Anywhere but here. Posts: 7,157 Thanked: 41 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	The only time I have been surprised by an encore was when Mountain opened for Joe Satriani (satchafunkilicus tour) Leslie West and Satriani were playing duets, Jeff Becks Going Down most notably. Now that, was cool. Guitar techs are for sissies. Learn some damn music theory, don't complain, and you'll be a better person. -Schecterwhore Show me a truly awesome guitar for under $1000 and I'll show you hateful lies.

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vampiregenocide A Chap Called Ross Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hertfordshire, England Posts: 15,061 Thanked: 273 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Devin Townsend was quite funny when he did an encore when I saw him. 'So this is the part when we pretend to go off stage but actually come back and play a few more songs. So see you in a minute! Wait...you're not supposed to think I'm coming back..' My Photography Myspace - http://www.myspace.com/rosswildishphotography Dissonant Media - The news source for new alternate/progressive music! Check us out: http://de-de.facebook.com/pages/Sawbridgeworth-United-Kingdom/Dissonant-Media/126448677394107 http://www.youtube.com/user/DissonantMedia#p/a http://dissonantmedia.tumblr.com/

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ittoa666 /)'3'(\ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Chimaera SD Posts: 6,422 Thanked: 195 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think it's funny as hell when people leave before the last songs. It happens every time when I see Megadeth. Ride the wings of death! "Seriously... You DO NOT headbang with your knees" Murmel

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