T.R.A.M. - Tosin Abasi side project - Page 11

Ralyks · 07-05-2011, 08:10 PM

A bassist would be a nice addition, but I've thought that about AAL as well.

orakle · 07-05-2011, 08:20 PM

i dont know what to think of that, i guess ill listen to it more

chasedowbr00t4l · 07-05-2011, 11:20 PM

Love it

Skyblue · 07-06-2011, 06:37 AM

I like it, but I still don't why don't they use a bassist... I think it'll help their sound a lot

Prydogga · 07-06-2011, 06:46 AM

I think the solo goes too far out of the box for the confines of what the main riff produces.

As far as the full song goes, it doesn't sound too bad, but there is some definite slop in the playing, and I don't understand the mix at all.

As far as jazz 'cycling' of solos goes, I find Ever Forthright have it better than this displayed to a degree, and kept the guitar/sax/drum/piano cycling of solos much better than this did, really only showcasing guitar and flute, where's my drum solo!?

Also, the overuse of a lo-fi effect on Tosin's soloing really distracts from what it could be.

I feel the riffing is a bit too 'metal - distortion' to allow for the jazziness of the other instrumentation.

Honestly, it was good, but it's a confusing mixture of elements, and not quite the way some fusion intentionally causes.

Xiphos68 · 07-06-2011, 07:34 AM

It's interesting but I'm not as blown away as I thought I would be.

But I'm looking forward to the whole album and I think I could get into it a lot more.

But I defenitely agree that a bassist would be give a better mix and I'm quite surprised they don't have a bassist for a jazz fusion setting?

The Beard · 07-06-2011, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prydogga

As far as the full song goes, it doesn't sound too bad, but there is some definite slop in the playing, and I don't understand the mix at all.

Like someone said earlier, we gotta keep in mind that this is only an unmixed version

I can't wait to hear the mixed version as well as the rest of the album! I also think that a bassist would round out the sound very well, and you'd think a bassist would be a bit of a necessity for this style of music.

Other than that I like it so far, but I'm still increasingly confused in the fact that they haven't been promoting this all that much

Opion · 07-06-2011, 01:28 PM

I actually like how they didn't emphasize the soloing too much, allowing the other members to shine just as equally, if not more, than Tosin. Because let's face it, if Tosin wasn't in this project then there would not be as much hype (although I have to say I'd still be interested regardless, the back catalog of all these musicians is ....ing sex to my ears

). So in that respect, I kinda dig the lo-fi effect on his solo parts and how the sax almost melts into the guitar in the latter parts of the song.

Murdstone · 07-06-2011, 03:53 PM

I think a fretless bass could really round this project out. Robin Zielhorst or Sean Malone could take it to the clouds.

Deadnightshade · 07-06-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Murdstone

Robin Zielhorst

That's exactly what my brother said!(he's a bassist too)

As far as the song goes..I really think some sax improv parts don't sound that good and they ruin it temporally.That's not mars volta damnit

Tosin's sound isn't at all bad..i like the weirdness of it,because it can be supported since the mix isn't THAT dense (well..also missing a bassist

)

GSingleton · 07-06-2011, 04:09 PM

etcetera · 07-06-2011, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murdstone

I think a fretless bass could really round this project out. Robin Zielhorst or Sean Malone could take it to the clouds.

Yep, these are the two bass players who sprung to mind for me too!

Did anyone manage to record that gig they had today, or know if it's been uploaded somewhere?

kung_fu · 07-07-2011, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadnightshade

As far as the song goes..I really think some sax improv parts don't sound that good and they ruin it temporally.That's not mars volta damnit

I actually really dug the sax, I'd actually go so far as to say i preferred the sax solo to the guitar solo (not that it's a bad guitar solo, or like a competition or anything

). I really dig Adrian's style, as it reminds me a lot of some of my favourite sax players (Dolphy, Coltrane, Coleman, maybe even some wayne Shorter in there).

I've probably listened to this a good ten times by now and it's growing on me for sure. Still think some bass lines would help to kill some of the monotony of the main riff. Also really dig the doubling of the main guitar riff with the Bass Clarinet, as well as the use of soprano & tenor sax, bass clarinet, and flute throughout different points in the song. Also, there seems to be some debate about whether or not the first melody is sax or guitar. Would i be would assuming that it is sax (probably tenor here) AND guitar in unison? EDIT: just watched the first video posted by GSingleton, it seems it is a unison part, i can hear the flute in the studio version now (thought it was sax at first)

Anyways, really diggin this. Can't wait for the final product

Murdstone · 07-07-2011, 02:41 PM

The riff towards the end of the song posted by GSingleton is the one that's been floating around on youtube for a while of Tosin in his black coat that for a while everyone thought it wasn't him. I'm glad they integrated that into a song, it's a great sounding progression.

EDIT: Here we go.

ROAR · 07-07-2011, 03:05 PM

^I tried to tab that out and put it a few pages back if anyone's interested.

Murdstone · 07-07-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ROAR

^I tried to tab that out and put it a few pages back if anyone's interested.

Just downloaded it, the only thing I'd change is making the highest chord.
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17
18 (rather than this being 17)
16
17
-

You saved me a lot of time, thanks!

The Beard · 08-01-2011, 08:01 PM

So have they just given up on releasing it or something? Any updates?

glassmoon0fo · 09-01-2011, 09:38 PM

bump. seriously WHEN THE .... is this album coming out? i prepaid for it and everything.....

technomancer · 09-01-2011, 09:57 PM

Sumerian finally listened to the material and went, "Wait, wut, this isn't metal?!?!??!?"

brutalwizard · 09-01-2011, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glassmoon0fo

bump. seriously WHEN THE .... is this album coming out? i prepaid for it and everything.....

well they havent posted anything about it in over a month, the last time i talked to javier he was telling me whoever produces/mixes/masters the mars volta albums is doing trams.

idk if that has anything to do with the time

aal is still touring Europe or are just wrapping that up

plus AAL is releasing weightless nov 8th, and then super north american tour

so i assume we will hear this album never

ScottyB724 · 09-02-2011, 01:51 AM

If it's in the mastering phase by now then it shouldn't really matter what AAL is doing, I'd expect a reasonable release date sometime soon, although I am also not happy with Sumerian's complete lacking of any updates/news/promos for this album.

Vicissitude27 · 09-02-2011, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brutalwizard

well they havent posted anything about it in over a month, the last time i talked to javier he was telling me whoever produces/mixes/masters the mars volta albums is doing trams.

idk if that has anything to do with the time

aal is still touring Europe or are just wrapping that up

plus AAL is releasing weightless nov 8th, and then super north american tour

so i assume we will hear this album never

Well if they are using TMV's guy, then it should be Omar Rodriguez-Lopez himself from TMV. I know Rick Rubin helped with De-Loused, but after that, all production on TMV albums were self done by Omar.

It will be very odd to see if Sumerian hires Omar to do TRAM, considering his odd approach.

brutalwizard · 09-02-2011, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicissitude27

Well if they are using TMV's guy, then it should be Omar Rodriguez-Lopez himself from TMV. I know Rick Rubin helped with De-Loused, but after that, all production on TMV albums were self done by Omar.

It will be very odd to see if Sumerian hires Omar to do TRAM, considering his odd approach.

this is just what i was told when i talked to javier in feburary

Sepulphagist · 09-30-2011, 03:17 AM

so what the god damn ....... where the hell is this album............

brutalwizard · 09-30-2011, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sepulphagist

so what the god damn ....... where the hell is this album............

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07-05-2011, 08:10 PM	#251
Ralyks The One Who Knocks Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Dutchess County, NY Posts: 1,241 Thanked: 17 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	A bassist would be a nice addition, but I've thought that about AAL as well. GSingleton likes this.

07-05-2011, 11:20 PM	#253
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07-06-2011, 06:46 AM	#255
Prydogga Giddyup. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Apartment 5B, New York (Vic, Australia) Posts: 10,513 Thanked: 81 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think the solo goes too far out of the box for the confines of what the main riff produces. As far as the full song goes, it doesn't sound too bad, but there is some definite slop in the playing, and I don't understand the mix at all. As far as jazz 'cycling' of solos goes, I find Ever Forthright have it better than this displayed to a degree, and kept the guitar/sax/drum/piano cycling of solos much better than this did, really only showcasing guitar and flute, where's my drum solo!? Also, the overuse of a lo-fi effect on Tosin's soloing really distracts from what it could be. I feel the riffing is a bit too 'metal - distortion' to allow for the jazziness of the other instrumentation. Honestly, it was good, but it's a confusing mixture of elements, and not quite the way some fusion intentionally causes. Cabinet and Solodini like this. M E M O I R S Music from myself and Kurkkuviipale! http://soundcloud.com/m-e-m-o-i-r-s I also do graphic design, both freelance and for label Myriad Records.

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07-05-2011, 08:20 PM	#252
orakle djentleman Join Date: May 2011 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 699 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i dont know what to think of that, i guess ill listen to it more

07-06-2011, 06:37 AM	#254
Skyblue SS.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Israel Posts: 590 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I like it, but I still don't why don't they use a bassist... I think it'll help their sound a lot

07-06-2011, 01:28 PM	#258
Opion Sir Mattafer Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 521 Thanked: 5 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I actually like how they didn't emphasize the soloing too much, allowing the other members to shine just as equally, if not more, than Tosin. Because let's face it, if Tosin wasn't in this project then there would not be as much hype (although I have to say I'd still be interested regardless, the back catalog of all these musicians is ....ing sex to my ears ). So in that respect, I kinda dig the lo-fi effect on his solo parts and how the sax almost melts into the guitar in the latter parts of the song. My originals & mix test clips - slowly but surely growing: http://soundcloud.com/opion http://www.soundclick.com/members/de...member=opion59

07-06-2011, 03:53 PM	#259
Murdstone C34H47NO11 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: State College, PA Posts: 836 Thanked: 8 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think a fretless bass could really round this project out. Robin Zielhorst or Sean Malone could take it to the clouds. guitareben likes this.

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07-07-2011, 02:41 PM	#264
Murdstone C34H47NO11 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: State College, PA Posts: 836 Thanked: 8 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The riff towards the end of the song posted by GSingleton is the one that's been floating around on youtube for a while of Tosin in his black coat that for a while everyone thought it wasn't him. I'm glad they integrated that into a song, it's a great sounding progression. EDIT: Here we go.

07-07-2011, 03:05 PM	#265
ROAR Oaf Tobar Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,805 Thanked: 15 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^I tried to tab that out and put it a few pages back if anyone's interested.

08-01-2011, 08:01 PM	#267
The Beard Suttbex Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zeeland, MI Posts: 1,058 Thanked: 37 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So have they just given up on releasing it or something? Any updates? "Orange juice after potato. Taste like all of my wut." -CrushingAnvil "what am I supposed to do with my boner?" -shredguitar7 Live Rig -Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier -Ibanez TS808 Tube Screamer -Ibanez rg120 My Soundcloud! http://soundcloud.com/stc423

09-01-2011, 09:38 PM	#268
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09-01-2011, 09:57 PM	#269
technomancer Gearus Pimptasticus • Super Moderator • Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Out there, somewhere Posts: 23,098 Thanked: 173 Feedback Score: 34 reviews	Sumerian finally listened to the material and went, "Wait, wut, this isn't metal?!?!??!?" Kkoznarek likes this. Incoming It's a surprise

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ScottyB724 SS.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: chicago Posts: 290 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If it's in the mastering phase by now then it shouldn't really matter what AAL is doing, I'd expect a reasonable release date sometime soon, although I am also not happy with Sumerian's complete lacking of any updates/news/promos for this album.

09-30-2011, 03:17 AM	#274
Sepulphagist ss.org Regular Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Grants Pass, Or Posts: 82 Thanked: 5 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	so what the god damn ....... where the hell is this album............ EtherealEntity likes this.

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