Solos?!

Naren · 09-09-2006, 12:48 PM

Hey, I was listening to Bolt Thrower's album, "War Master" and I thought there were a lot of cool riffs, but the solos are what I like to refer to as "Kerry King solos." I don't mean that as a compliment since I consider Kerry King to be the worst soloist in the world (along with the other guitarist for Slayer, Hannemann, or whatever his name is). I cringe every time I hear one of those super fast sloppy random-sounding "solos" with the occasional bending squeals and tremolo bar masturbation where EVERY solo sounds exactly the same regardless of the feel of the song itself.

Can anyone tell me why some bands do the "Kerry King solo"? Do they think it sounds good? Do they think anyone likes it? (Yeah, I know a lot of Slayer fans like it. I like a lot of Slayer songs, but I wish they would just cut out the solos half the time). I was in a band where I got the lead player to just improvise a solo over what I was playing for a song and he had no idea what to play so he shredded over it as fast as he could and I was like "No... no Kerry King solos... that sounds like shit." And he just laughed, "Yeah. I had no idea what to play."

If your solos sound like shit, why solo? Opinions?

The Dark Wolf · 09-09-2006, 12:54 PM

Simple. Because it's better than NOT soloing.

Cannibal Corpse does some random, Kerry King-esque solos, that I think sound bad ass. It's all taste. Whereas you don't like it, I personally do.

shredfreak · 09-09-2006, 01:02 PM

Because it fits the song ...

ScubaSteve1717 · 09-09-2006, 01:05 PM

ya i cannot stand kerry king...mind you i dont like slayer either. i hate all aspects of his guitar playing

BrianCarroll · 09-09-2006, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shredfreak

Because it fits the song ...

+1

that guy · 09-09-2006, 02:10 PM

yet anothr music bashing thread to turn nt a 30 pg argument woot , anyway its all tastes man some songs dont call for a tastefully sounds like hes singing solo , thy call foran ass load of noise i personally find it retarded but hey people are different so who cares?

that guy · 09-10-2006, 03:31 AM

or not

DDDorian · 09-10-2006, 04:35 AM

Such solos shouldn't be associated with Kerry King as there are plenty of guitarists who do the "whammy a bunch of chromatics to death" solo quite well; check out Possessed's Death Metal, Autopsy's Severed Survival and... well, pretty much any prototypical late-80s thrash/death album for examples of that type of solo done... well, not tastefully, but well.

zimbloth · 09-10-2006, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

Simple. Because it's better than NOT soloing.

Cannibal Corpse does some random, Kerry King-esque solos, that I think sound bad ass. It's all taste. Whereas you don't like it, I personally do.

I actually disagree on both points:

1) It's better not to solo than to play a shitty solo. It's all about doing whats best for the music. Less is more sometimes.

2) Cannibal Corpse's solos are tasteful I think, theyre not random and often if there is some wankery going on, it's more to create a certain texture than to just show off and wank.

Kerry King = the worst. Kirk Hammett and Zakk not to close behind tho IMO

DDDorian · 09-10-2006, 05:16 AM

^^You'd lump Zakk with those two? I'm by no means a huge fan of Zakk but he seems quite inoffensive. To me his leads are melodic, catchy and unashamedly betray his influences. They're rarely surprising or innovative but they get the job done... Hammet/King on the other hand, blargh.

While I'm at it, Jeff Hanneman is a pretty decent lead guitarist as well. I love the leads he plays in "Mandatory Suicide" and "Seasons In The Abyss" and his other leads are usually several shades less pointless than those of King.

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09-09-2006, 12:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
Naren OldschoolGhettostyle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tokyo Posts: 11,954 Real Name: Eric Main Seven: RG1527-GK, RG7EXFX2-IPT Rig: GNX3000 Thanked: 31	Solos?! Hey, I was listening to Bolt Thrower's album, "War Master" and I thought there were a lot of cool riffs, but the solos are what I like to refer to as "Kerry King solos." I don't mean that as a compliment since I consider Kerry King to be the worst soloist in the world (along with the other guitarist for Slayer, Hannemann, or whatever his name is). I cringe every time I hear one of those super fast sloppy random-sounding "solos" with the occasional bending squeals and tremolo bar masturbation where EVERY solo sounds exactly the same regardless of the feel of the song itself. Can anyone tell me why some bands do the "Kerry King solo"? Do they think it sounds good? Do they think anyone likes it? (Yeah, I know a lot of Slayer fans like it. I like a lot of Slayer songs, but I wish they would just cut out the solos half the time). I was in a band where I got the lead player to just improvise a solo over what I was playing for a song and he had no idea what to play so he shredded over it as fast as he could and I was like "No... no Kerry King solos... that sounds like shit." And he just laughed, "Yeah. I had no idea what to play." If your solos sound like shit, why solo? Opinions?

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ScubaSteve1717 I Had A Few Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 31 Real Name: Stephen Main Seven: My Six String Rig: Line 6 Spider 2 Thanked: 0	ya i cannot stand kerry king...mind you i dont like slayer either. i hate all aspects of his guitar playing It's Nice To Hear Your Voice Again, I've Waited All Day Long, Even Wrote A Song For You.

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that guy ss.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Antonio .TX Posts: 588 Real Name: matt Main Seven: non-existent Rig: B-52 stealth series Thanked: 0	yet anothr music bashing thread to turn nt a 30 pg argument woot , anyway its all tastes man some songs dont call for a tastefully sounds like hes singing solo , thy call foran ass load of noise i personally find it retarded but hey people are different so who cares? smokey the bear is way more intense in person

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The Dark Wolf Back In Black • Super Moderator • Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toledo, Ohio. USA Posts: 15,623 Real Name: Bob Main Seven: 2001 Ibanez RG2027XVV Rig: GNX/Magicstomp Thanked: 78	Simple. Because it's better than NOT soloing. Cannibal Corpse does some random, Kerry King-esque solos, that I think sound bad ass. It's all taste. Whereas you don't like it, I personally do.

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shredfreak ss.org Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ghent, Belgium Posts: 313 Main Seven: 7620 Rig: Crate/Rocktron Thanked: 0	Because it fits the song ...

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DDDorian Later, ace! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Middle of nowhere, Australia Posts: 2,150 Main Seven: Schecter 007 Elite in che Rig: Sunn Beta Lead Thanked: 124	Such solos shouldn't be associated with Kerry King as there are plenty of guitarists who do the "whammy a bunch of chromatics to death" solo quite well; check out Possessed's Death Metal, Autopsy's Severed Survival and... well, pretty much any prototypical late-80s thrash/death album for examples of that type of solo done... well, not tastefully, but well.

09-10-2006, 05:16 AM	#10 (permalink)
DDDorian Later, ace! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Middle of nowhere, Australia Posts: 2,150 Main Seven: Schecter 007 Elite in che Rig: Sunn Beta Lead Thanked: 124	^^You'd lump Zakk with those two? I'm by no means a huge fan of Zakk but he seems quite inoffensive. To me his leads are melodic, catchy and unashamedly betray his influences. They're rarely surprising or innovative but they get the job done... Hammet/King on the other hand, blargh. While I'm at it, Jeff Hanneman is a pretty decent lead guitarist as well. I love the leads he plays in "Mandatory Suicide" and "Seasons In The Abyss" and his other leads are usually several shades less pointless than those of King.

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