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Unread 05-12-2011, 10:24 AM   #1126
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This interview made a lot more sense of the situation. I didn't realize that they had already tried people out and locked in Mike Mangini when Portnoy asked to come back....
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Definitely understandable why they didn't allow Portnoy to come back. Obviously it was a hard decision for them, but I think they did good by saying "No.". That would have been a pretty raw deal to Mangini if they would have said, "Sorry duder, but Portnoy's coming back....so, everything you've dreamed for the last 4 months...forget it. Good luck getting your job back at Berklee."

Petrucci said they were working on their friendship (with Portnoy)....last Portnoy has said, he hasn't spoken to any of the guys in quite some time. No doubt there's still a TON of legal shit being sifted through. If you think of how much control Portnoy had/shit in his name/how to split up royalties/etc, it's probably just lawyers going back and forth.

Thankfully, Portnoy never went Roger Waters on this.
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Unread 05-12-2011, 11:40 AM   #1128
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Interesting and informative. The part about Portnoy wanting to come back seemed interestingly timed too. However they don't necessarily say they would have had him back, just that it was making things more difficult. Saying no is often a lot harder, maybe that was the conflict in an of itself? Who knows, I know in their shoes I would say take a long step off a short pier.

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Unread 05-12-2011, 11:43 AM   #1129
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Thankfully, Portnoy never went Roger Waters on this.
....or even went Mustaine or Amy Lee
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Well, I can relate this to my former fiance. I broke it off and we went our separate ways for 2-3 months. After that time I started thinking I had made a mistake, we started talking, turns out she was with a new guy and things were good....I mentioned the idea of us getting back together and two hours later she was at my door.

It's all relative to the individual situation. Had the new guy she'd been dating put up a bigger fight, did more for her or made her feel better than I could, then we wouldn't have gotten back together.

So weighing in what Mangini had to do in order to not only get the gig, but sustain it and their history with Portnoy, it was obviously in their better interest to move along with Mangini.
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....or even went Mustaine or Amy Lee
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Unread 05-12-2011, 05:38 PM   #1132
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So I thought you guys might appreciate these interviews... Really gives a lot of insight.

First, an interview with Mike Mangini:
Dream Theater's Mike Mangini Talks with ModernDrummer.com

And then this one; an interview with JP and JR about the album, the whole drama thing, and more stuff:
Interview: Dream Theater's John Petrucci, Jordan Rudess on the band's future | MusicRadar.com

Pretty interesting stuff, and fun to read.

EDIT: Just found out I didn't post this first. Go here for an entire thread on the JP + JR interview.

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Unread 05-12-2011, 07:48 PM   #1133
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I have to say, I'm very excited about the new DT record, and that wouldn't have been the case if all this hadn't gone on. What they say makes sense.

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Unread 05-12-2011, 08:06 PM   #1134
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Frack, I thought I'd posted it first on the MP vs. DT thread Seems I was very late. However, I found very interesting the fact that MP decided to come back to the band at such a time... Quite unfortunate for him, if you ask me. But this, for some reason, really hypes me up for the new album!

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Unread 05-12-2011, 08:28 PM   #1135
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why must we justify DT decision with never ending posts?

i mean its like over isnt it haha

until portnoy does some crazy dave mustaine legal stuff, or dream theater has a new album i this rock drama and drummer speculation is over right?

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Mike Portnoy Joins Dimmu Borgir - in Metal News ( Metal Underground.com )

LMAO!!! This is the weirdest news I've heard in a LONG time.

Edit: ... damn I just got owned a month and a half late
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^ if that is true I will lol at Mike in corpse paint..
Good to see he's taking a step forward..But seriously Dimmu Bogir and Mike????
Edit:Now noticed the date..
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Just saw the interview with JR and JP, this makes me even more excited! I can't wait for the new album!
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Quick side note, it looks like Steve Bolognese (former Into Eternity drummer) got Manginis job at Berklee.
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Unread 05-17-2011, 09:46 AM   #1141
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I just found out something.. I'm probably late. But hey.

The riff in LTE's Acid Rain is very very very much like the riff in "Race with the Devil etc" on Al Di Meola's This Is Jazz.

Funny coincidence as Petrucci stated Meola as one of his main influences
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Unread 06-08-2011, 04:01 AM   #1142
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So, this was just posted on Petrucci's and Rudess's Facebook:


"Hi everyone. It's official. The album title and track listing for the new DT album is:

A Dramatic Turn of Events



1. On the Backs of Angels

2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down

3. Lost Not Forgotten

4. This is the Life

5. The Shaman’s Trance

6. Outcry

7. Far From Heaven

8. Breaking All Illusions

9. Beneath The Surface



Stay tuned for more information on Dream Theater - The Official Site tomorrow morning!

JP"


EDIT: And, as usual, I'm late on this somebody beat me to it on this thread John petrucci posts new DT album title and track listing on FB

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"A Dramatic Turn of Events"

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really?

I'm I the only one not liking the cliché?

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from the song titles the lyrics will probably be as nausea inducing as everything has since SFOM. moore and myung were always the strongest lyrically.
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^ You're not the only ones... I'm not really digging the song titles, except for The Shaman's Trance. That sounds like it could be a really amazing song, in the likes of Dance of Eternity, Erotomania, etc.

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^ I like a few more of the song titles, but overall not so much. The album title could have been something not related to this drama shitstorm, too. I'd hate to have to be even more reminded of all the BS that ensued every time I put this album on.
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In all seriousness who came up with all the song titles and albums in the past?
Because the song titles for the most part sounded awesome and interesting.

Because none of these sound interesting at all expect the noted one so far.

The album title makes me cringe to be quite honest.

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Because none of these sound interesting at all expect the noted one so far.

The album title makes me cringe to be quite honest.
on the album title.

And funny thing about "The Shaman's Trance," if you look at all the song titles as a set, that seems to be the only one that *really* doesn't fit in at all in my opinion, yet it's also the one that everyone seems to like
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Remember that this is a forum filled with metalheads and "The Shaman's Trance" is a good metal song title

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And funny thing about "The Shaman's Trance," if you look at all the song titles as a set, that seems to be the only one that *really* doesn't fit in at all in my opinion, yet it's also the one that everyone seems to like


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