Heavy Metal Soap Opera (The Mike Portnoy vs. Dream Theater Saga) - Page 46

Xiphos68 · 05-12-2011, 08:20 AM

It's nice to see everything all together.

Now the situation makes sense.

Hoping for Liquid Tension Exp. to come back.

Ralyks · 05-12-2011, 08:58 AM

Totally puts in into perspective. I completely overlooked the fact that Mangini gave up his Berklee post for the Dream Theater spot.

th3m1ke · 05-12-2011, 09:24 AM

This interview made a lot more sense of the situation. I didn't realize that they had already tried people out and locked in Mike Mangini when Portnoy asked to come back....

RevDrucifer · 05-12-2011, 10:35 AM

Definitely understandable why they didn't allow Portnoy to come back. Obviously it was a hard decision for them, but I think they did good by saying "No.". That would have been a pretty raw deal to Mangini if they would have said, "Sorry duder, but Portnoy's coming back....so, everything you've dreamed for the last 4 months...forget it. Good luck getting your job back at Berklee."

Petrucci said they were working on their friendship (with Portnoy)....last Portnoy has said, he hasn't spoken to any of the guys in quite some time. No doubt there's still a TON of legal shit being sifted through. If you think of how much control Portnoy had/shit in his name/how to split up royalties/etc, it's probably just lawyers going back and forth.

Thankfully, Portnoy never went Roger Waters on this.

SirMyghin · 05-12-2011, 10:40 AM

Interesting and informative. The part about Portnoy wanting to come back seemed interestingly timed too. However they don't necessarily say they would have had him back, just that it was making things more difficult. Saying no is often a lot harder, maybe that was the conflict in an of itself? Who knows, I know in their shoes I would say take a long step off a short pier.

setsuna7 · 05-12-2011, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevDrucifer

Thankfully, Portnoy never went Roger Waters on this.

....or even went Mustaine or Amy Lee

RevDrucifer · 05-12-2011, 10:47 AM

Well, I can relate this to my former fiance. I broke it off and we went our separate ways for 2-3 months. After that time I started thinking I had made a mistake, we started talking, turns out she was with a new guy and things were good....I mentioned the idea of us getting back together and two hours later she was at my door.

It's all relative to the individual situation. Had the new guy she'd been dating put up a bigger fight, did more for her or made her feel better than I could, then we wouldn't have gotten back together.

So weighing in what Mangini had to do in order to not only get the gig, but sustain it and their history with Portnoy, it was obviously in their better interest to move along with Mangini.

RevDrucifer · 05-12-2011, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by setsuna7

....or even went Mustaine or Amy Lee

Good call!

Alberto7 · 05-12-2011, 04:38 PM

So I thought you guys might appreciate these interviews... Really gives a lot of insight.

First, an interview with Mike Mangini:
Dream Theater's Mike Mangini Talks with ModernDrummer.com

And then this one; an interview with JP and JR about the album, the whole drama thing, and more stuff:
Interview: Dream Theater's John Petrucci, Jordan Rudess on the band's future | MusicRadar.com

Pretty interesting stuff, and fun to read.

EDIT: Just found out I didn't post this first. Go here for an entire thread on the JP + JR interview.

fps · 05-12-2011, 06:48 PM

I have to say, I'm very excited about the new DT record, and that wouldn't have been the case if all this hadn't gone on. What they say makes sense.

Alberto7 · 05-12-2011, 07:06 PM

Frack, I thought I'd posted it first on the MP vs. DT thread

Seems I was very late. However, I found very interesting the fact that MP decided to come back to the band at such a time... Quite unfortunate for him, if you ask me. But this, for some reason, really hypes me up for the new album!

brutalwizard · 05-12-2011, 07:28 PM

why must we justify DT decision with never ending posts?

i mean its like over isnt it haha

until portnoy does some crazy dave mustaine legal stuff, or dream theater has a new album i this rock drama and drummer speculation is over right?

TL

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ohh my that mangini guy is so good, i can only imagine all the crazy stuff going on between DT and portnoy. so glad they went with mangini, the new albums going to be so much more percussive mmm....

oh and liquid tension experiment

Shrikkanth · 05-15-2011, 04:59 AM

Mike Portnoy Joins Dimmu Borgir - in Metal News ( Metal Underground.com )

LMAO!!! This is the weirdest news I've heard in a LONG time.

Edit: ... damn I just got owned a month and a half late

metalheadblues · 05-15-2011, 03:56 PM

^ if that is true I will lol at Mike in corpse paint..
Good to see he's taking a step forward..But seriously Dimmu Bogir and Mike????
Edit:Now noticed the date..

Antimatter · 05-15-2011, 09:56 PM

Just saw the interview with JR and JP, this makes me even more excited! I can't wait for the new album!

Ralyks · 05-16-2011, 12:24 PM

Quick side note, it looks like Steve Bolognese (former Into Eternity drummer) got Manginis job at Berklee.

Thep · 05-16-2011, 02:29 PM

edit...

KoenDercksen · 05-17-2011, 08:46 AM

I just found out something.. I'm probably late. But hey.

The riff in LTE's Acid Rain is very very very much like the riff in "Race with the Devil etc" on Al Di Meola's This Is Jazz.

Funny coincidence as Petrucci stated Meola as one of his main influences

Alberto7 · 06-08-2011, 03:01 AM

So, this was just posted on Petrucci's and Rudess's Facebook:

"Hi everyone. It's official. The album title and track listing for the new DT album is:

A Dramatic Turn of Events

1. On the Backs of Angels

2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down

3. Lost Not Forgotten

4. This is the Life

5. The Shaman’s Trance

6. Outcry

7. Far From Heaven

8. Breaking All Illusions

9. Beneath The Surface

Stay tuned for more information on Dream Theater - The Official Site tomorrow morning!

JP"

EDIT: And, as usual, I'm late on this

somebody beat me to it on this thread John petrucci posts new DT album title and track listing on FB

Espaul · 06-08-2011, 05:34 AM

"A Dramatic Turn of Events"

...

really?

I'm I the only one not liking the cliché?

DLG · 06-08-2011, 05:51 AM

from the song titles the lyrics will probably be as nausea inducing as everything has since SFOM. moore and myung were always the strongest lyrically.

Alberto7 · 06-08-2011, 06:17 AM

^ You're not the only ones... I'm not really digging the song titles, except for The Shaman's Trance. That sounds like it could be a really amazing song, in the likes of Dance of Eternity, Erotomania, etc.

WickedSymphony · 06-08-2011, 06:19 AM

^ I like a few more of the song titles, but overall not so much. The album title could have been something not related to this drama shitstorm, too. I'd hate to have to be even more reminded of all the BS that ensued every time I put this album on.

Xiphos68 · 06-08-2011, 06:25 AM

In all seriousness who came up with all the song titles and albums in the past?
Because the song titles for the most part sounded awesome and interesting.

Because none of these sound interesting at all expect the noted one so far.

The album title makes me cringe to be quite honest.

WickedSymphony · 06-08-2011, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiphos68

Because none of these sound interesting at all expect the noted one so far.

The album title makes me cringe to be quite honest.

on the album title.

And funny thing about "The Shaman's Trance," if you look at all the song titles as a set, that seems to be the only one that *really* doesn't fit in at all in my opinion, yet it's also the one that everyone seems to like

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th3m1ke Chug Life Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,829 Thanked: 57 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	This interview made a lot more sense of the situation. I didn't realize that they had already tried people out and locked in Mike Mangini when Portnoy asked to come back.... Xiphos68 likes this.

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RevDrucifer SS.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida Posts: 628 Thanked: 5 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Definitely understandable why they didn't allow Portnoy to come back. Obviously it was a hard decision for them, but I think they did good by saying "No.". That would have been a pretty raw deal to Mangini if they would have said, "Sorry duder, but Portnoy's coming back....so, everything you've dreamed for the last 4 months...forget it. Good luck getting your job back at Berklee." Petrucci said they were working on their friendship (with Portnoy)....last Portnoy has said, he hasn't spoken to any of the guys in quite some time. No doubt there's still a TON of legal shit being sifted through. If you think of how much control Portnoy had/shit in his name/how to split up royalties/etc, it's probably just lawyers going back and forth. Thankfully, Portnoy never went Roger Waters on this. setsuna7 and CFB like this.

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05-12-2011, 08:58 AM	#1127
Ralyks The One Who Knocks Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Dutchess County, NY Posts: 1,241 Thanked: 17 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Totally puts in into perspective. I completely overlooked the fact that Mangini gave up his Berklee post for the Dream Theater spot.

05-12-2011, 10:47 AM	#1132
RevDrucifer SS.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida Posts: 628 Thanked: 5 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well, I can relate this to my former fiance. I broke it off and we went our separate ways for 2-3 months. After that time I started thinking I had made a mistake, we started talking, turns out she was with a new guy and things were good....I mentioned the idea of us getting back together and two hours later she was at my door. It's all relative to the individual situation. Had the new guy she'd been dating put up a bigger fight, did more for her or made her feel better than I could, then we wouldn't have gotten back together. So weighing in what Mangini had to do in order to not only get the gig, but sustain it and their history with Portnoy, it was obviously in their better interest to move along with Mangini.

05-12-2011, 04:38 PM	#1134
Alberto7 At Fort Kickass Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Montréal, QC Posts: 2,038 Thanked: 16 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So I thought you guys might appreciate these interviews... Really gives a lot of insight. First, an interview with Mike Mangini: Dream Theater's Mike Mangini Talks with ModernDrummer.com And then this one; an interview with JP and JR about the album, the whole drama thing, and more stuff: Interview: Dream Theater's John Petrucci, Jordan Rudess on the band's future \| MusicRadar.com Pretty interesting stuff, and fun to read. EDIT: Just found out I didn't post this first. Go here for an entire thread on the JP + JR interview. Sum, ergo cogito; cogito, ergo dubito; dubito, ergo cogito; cogito, ergo sum.

05-12-2011, 06:48 PM	#1135
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05-12-2011, 07:06 PM	#1136
Alberto7 At Fort Kickass Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Montréal, QC Posts: 2,038 Thanked: 16 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Frack, I thought I'd posted it first on the MP vs. DT thread Seems I was very late. However, I found very interesting the fact that MP decided to come back to the band at such a time... Quite unfortunate for him, if you ask me. But this, for some reason, really hypes me up for the new album! Sum, ergo cogito; cogito, ergo dubito; dubito, ergo cogito; cogito, ergo sum.

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05-15-2011, 04:59 AM	#1138
Shrikkanth ss.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Auckland Posts: 107 Thanked: 5 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Mike Portnoy Joins Dimmu Borgir - in Metal News ( Metal Underground.com ) LMAO!!! This is the weirdest news I've heard in a LONG time. Edit: ... damn I just got owned a month and a half late DLG likes this. Facebook Soundcloud Youtube

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metalheadblues ss.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Shipongolia Posts: 274 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^ if that is true I will lol at Mike in corpse paint.. Good to see he's taking a step forward..But seriously Dimmu Bogir and Mike???? Edit:Now noticed the date..

05-15-2011, 09:56 PM	#1140
Antimatter Not Like Matter Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Senoia, GA Posts: 857 Thanked: 5 / 1 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Just saw the interview with JR and JP, this makes me even more excited! I can't wait for the new album! Xiphos68 likes this. Woah! It's Billy's Legendary Crack!

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05-16-2011, 12:24 PM	#1141
Ralyks The One Who Knocks Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Dutchess County, NY Posts: 1,241 Thanked: 17 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Quick side note, it looks like Steve Bolognese (former Into Eternity drummer) got Manginis job at Berklee.

05-17-2011, 08:46 AM	#1143
KoenDercksen Quantum Realm Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Lochem, Netherlands Posts: 784 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I just found out something.. I'm probably late. But hey. The riff in LTE's Acid Rain is very very very much like the riff in "Race with the Devil etc" on Al Di Meola's This Is Jazz. Funny coincidence as Petrucci stated Meola as one of his main influences Quantum Realm, my solo project!

06-08-2011, 03:01 AM	#1144
Alberto7 At Fort Kickass Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Montréal, QC Posts: 2,038 Thanked: 16 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So, this was just posted on Petrucci's and Rudess's Facebook: "Hi everyone. It's official. The album title and track listing for the new DT album is: A Dramatic Turn of Events 1. On the Backs of Angels 2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 3. Lost Not Forgotten 4. This is the Life 5. The Shaman’s Trance 6. Outcry 7. Far From Heaven 8. Breaking All Illusions 9. Beneath The Surface Stay tuned for more information on Dream Theater - The Official Site tomorrow morning! JP" EDIT: And, as usual, I'm late on this somebody beat me to it on this thread John petrucci posts new DT album title and track listing on FB Sum, ergo cogito; cogito, ergo dubito; dubito, ergo cogito; cogito, ergo sum.

06-08-2011, 05:34 AM	#1145
Espaul ss.org Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tønsberg, Norway Posts: 1,461 Thanked: 40 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	"A Dramatic Turn of Events" ... really? I'm I the only one not liking the cliché? You: "I'd like a Coke." Waiter:"Is Pepsi ok?" You: "Is Monopoly money ok?" http://www.youtube.com/concretenor

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06-08-2011, 06:17 AM	#1147
Alberto7 At Fort Kickass Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Montréal, QC Posts: 2,038 Thanked: 16 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^ You're not the only ones... I'm not really digging the song titles, except for The Shaman's Trance. That sounds like it could be a really amazing song, in the likes of Dance of Eternity, Erotomania, etc. Sum, ergo cogito; cogito, ergo dubito; dubito, ergo cogito; cogito, ergo sum.

06-08-2011, 06:19 AM	#1148
WickedSymphony SS.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: California Posts: 1,261 Thanked: 4 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	^ I like a few more of the song titles, but overall not so much. The album title could have been something not related to this drama shitstorm, too. I'd hate to have to be even more reminded of all the BS that ensued every time I put this album on.

06-08-2011, 06:25 AM	#1149
Xiphos68 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 6,540 Thanked: 185 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	In all seriousness who came up with all the song titles and albums in the past? Because the song titles for the most part sounded awesome and interesting. Because none of these sound interesting at all expect the noted one so far. The album title makes me cringe to be quite honest. Have a question about The Gospel or prayer request, PM me. Happy to help and God Bless! Band: www.facebook.com/whisperfromheaven For fans of Melodic-Metal. "Once you have entered the Ocean... You have entered the food chain." - Dad

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