Heavy Metal Soap Opera (The Mike Portnoy vs. Dream Theater Saga)

[Guitarman700]

I just sent mike an email asking if he wants to form a cross dressing melodic crabcore band with me. We'll see what he says.

[Hollowman]

I really wish 40 somethings would cut out the High School games. Kinda remind's me of Metallica's Some Kind Of Monster only difference was you had James coming to the realization that he was an Alcoholic, Lars being a Pompous dick, Kirk crying all over the place say "come on guys can't we all just get along". oh, and lets not forget the Therapist what a ....in joke he was just bad comedy all the way around.

[WickedSymphony]

Someone posted this at the JP forum, thought I'd add it here as well.

[Razzy]

Originally Posted by WickedSymphony

Someone posted this at the JP forum, thought I'd add it here as well.

Priceless.

[ZackP3750]

Originally Posted by WickedSymphony

Someone posted this at the JP forum, thought I'd add it here as well.

Mike Portnoy edition: "They ....ing kicked me out of the band! They ....ing kicked me out!!! When the .... did I become the bad guy?! I don't need them anyway, but they ....ing kicked me out!"

[Razzy]

Originally Posted by ZackP3750

Mike Portnoy edition: "They ....ing kicked me out of the band! They ....ing kicked me out!!! When the .... did I become the bad guy?! I don't need them anyway, but they ....ing kicked me out!"

They didn't kick him out, he QUIT.

[JamesM]

@Lars video...

Welcome children, today we'll be discussing punctuation with Lars Ulrich...

"Well, when you really wanna ....in' get your point across you pull the 'PERIOD, EXCLAMATION POINT' move. For example:

.... YOU.!

Or

He ....ing quit the band.!

As you can see it is quite effective.!"

Period exclamation point FTL.

EDIT:
Also, sick Zematis guitar right behind Lars in the beginning. I love those things.

[ZackP3750]

Originally Posted by Razzy

They didn't kick him out, he QUIT.

I thought that about 10 seconds after posting. God damn getting called into work at 4am


Let me rephrase: "I ....ing quit the band! Now they won't let me rejoin, and I'm the ....ing bad guy?! All I ever did was tell it like it is!"

[Razzy]

Originally Posted by ZackP3750

I thought that about 10 seconds after posting. God damn getting called into work at 4am


Let me rephrase: "I ....ing quit the band! Now they won't let me rejoin, and I'm the ....ing bad guy?! All I ever did was tell it like it is!"

hahaha, that's a little more accurate.

The thing is. I was fine with Portnoy leaving. He seemed like he had completely valid reasons for doing so. I was like, "Cool, he needs a break, I get that." But then he comes out with posting all this shit publicly, and crying about shit, like, "They're not sad that I'm gone, boohoo, they're mean," and then after A7X boots him, which was the original plan all along, he tries to come back, and it's like he EXPECTED the guys from Dream Theater just to welcome him back with open arms, or be nice about saying no, after HE left THEM.

Frankly, the dude just pisses me off now.

[RaceCar]

Originally Posted by Razzy

hahaha, that's a little more accurate.

The thing is. I was fine with Portnoy leaving. He seemed like he had completely valid reasons for doing so. I was like, "Cool, he needs a break, I get that." But then he comes out with posting all this shit publicly, and crying about shit, like, "They're not sad that I'm gone, boohoo, they're mean," and then after A7X boots him, which was the original plan all along, he tries to come back, and it's like he EXPECTED the guys from Dream Theater just to welcome him back with open arms, or be nice about saying no, after HE left THEM.

Frankly, the dude just pisses me off now.

My feelings exactly.

He left in the first place. After 20 years.

[JamesM]

I watched an interview with Portnoy about him playing with Avenged Sevenfold and he said something along the lines of--regarding tracking the Rev's drum lines--"I could hear my influence in his playing, etc."

I said, WHAT! You arrogant shit head.

[CloudAC]

^^^^^^^ The Rev was hugely hugely influenced by Mike Portnoy. I can hear it in his drums too, mostly in City of Evil's album, lots of MP ride cymbal style.

[RaceCar]

Originally Posted by The Armada

I watched an interview with Portnoy about him playing with Avenged Sevenfold and he said something along the lines of--regarding tracking the Rev's drum lines--"I could hear my influence in his playing, etc."

I said, WHAT! You arrogant shit head.

Why, because of his "bag of tricks" drum fill (double snare-->double bass-->double toms etc.)? Does he think he invented that or something? Whatever he's talking about, what a pretentious thing to say. I'm sure he meant it in a good way, but again, the world revolves around Portnoy.

[Espaul]

This has probably been said, but the title is the most awesome mod thread name edit I've ever seen

[Antimatter]

Wait so he got kicked out of Avenged Sevenfold and then when he tried to go back to Dream Theater after only a few months he's surprised of the refusal? And here I thought he was an awesome guy. And what's with all this denial of everything "I'm not crying about this or anything...I didn't ask for a press release on this, seriously"
If he didn't do it then why does he specifically mention it

[WickedSymphony]

Originally Posted by Antimatter

Wait so he got kicked out of Avenged Sevenfold and then when he tried to go back to Dream Theater after only a few months he's surprised of the refusal? And here I thought he was an awesome guy. And what's with all this denial of everything "I'm not crying about this or anything...I didn't ask for a press release on this, seriously"
If he didn't do it then why does he specifically mention it

What happened was at some point between leaving DT and either before or after being booted from A7X he asked to rejoin Dream Theater, but my guess is they already had someone lined up for the gig so they probably couldn't bring him back now even if they wanted to. Personally, I'd like to see Portnoy back in DT some day, just not right now. He said he wanted a break and he still doesn't want to return to DT just yet, so let him have his break, let everyone get over the BS and drama, then come back.

As far as him not asking for a press release, he was referring to outside sites taking his statements and turning it into one because the reason for him making a statement was for his own fans to know what's going on. If anything, you gotta give Portnoy credit for always communicating with his fans (even if lately it may have been best to keep a bit quiet over some things).

[PyramidSmasher]

Paramore just lost their drummer, and that does seem to be the direction Mike's been moving...

[LLink2411]

Originally Posted by The Armada

I watched an interview with Portnoy about him playing with Avenged Sevenfold and he said something along the lines of--regarding tracking the Rev's drum lines--"I could hear my influence in his playing, etc."

I said, WHAT! You arrogant shit head.

Yeah, one of the most influential drummers of all time influencing people.

UNHEARD OF!!!!

[shanejohnson02]

When I got this news, I was totally deflated. But it really sounds like a bunch of kids arguing over who gets picked for the kickball team. As long as DT keeps putting out music, cool. If MP is with them or not, cool. If he does his own thing, awesome. Frankly, I think it totally could have been handled better and a little less publicly, but it's been done.

So, looking to the future, what drummers would you like to see with DT? Morgan Ågren comes to mind first, IMO.

[Hollowman]

Oh and I did forget one thing....

[Xaios]

We should start refering to everything as it relates to Mike Portnoy.


This news is Portnoy Rating of 3.7 Mikeys on the Portnoy Scale.

You won't be able to comprehend this system because your brain is only a 0.4 Portnoy.

[G33Kster]

Besides just needing a new drummer, DT is missing some other key pieces. Portnoy did drums, songwriting, backup vocals, and gig arrangements. Yes, the backup vocals can be takes up by the other members. Yes, the gig arrangements can be made by someone else. Obviously the drumming will be done by someone else.
What's left is the songwriting. Previously, the other members have written songs. The difference I find is the content of the lyrics. Mike's lyrics always seemed so deep to me, and more meaningful than the lyrics written by other members. His lyrics are what separated DT from most other prog metal bands.
My example is as follows:
The Best of Times - written by Portnoy
The Dark Eternal Night - written by Petrucci
Listen to both. Compare. Look up the wikipedia articles on both.
I'm not saying the other members suck at writing lyrics, they do a good job. What I'm saying is that Portnoy's lyrics are what made me listen to DT in the first place.

[Razzy]

Originally Posted by G33Kster

Besides just needing a new drummer, DT is missing some other key pieces. Portnoy did drums, songwriting, backup vocals, and gig arrangements. Yes, the backup vocals can be takes up by the other members. Yes, the gig arrangements can be made by someone else. Obviously the drumming will be done by someone else.
What's left is the songwriting. Previously, the other members have written songs. The difference I find is the content of the lyrics. Mike's lyrics always seemed so deep to me, and more meaningful than the lyrics written by other members. His lyrics are what separated DT from most other prog metal bands.
My example is as follows:
The Best of Times - written by Portnoy
The Dark Eternal Night - written by Petrucci
Listen to both. Compare. Look up the wikipedia articles on both.
I'm not saying the other members suck at writing lyrics, they do a good job. What I'm saying is that Portnoy's lyrics are what made me listen to DT in the first place.

Don't worry, Portnoy will have a new band, since he has so many projects going on.

He'll probably call it, Aspiration Cinema, or something.

[WickedSymphony]

Originally Posted by shanejohnson02

So, looking to the future, what drummers would you like to see with DT? Morgan Ågren comes to mind first, IMO.

Considering they already have a drummer, there's not much point in speculation now.

[progmetaldan]

Originally Posted by G33Kster

Besides just needing a new drummer, DT is missing some other key pieces. Portnoy did drums, songwriting, backup vocals, and gig arrangements. Yes, the backup vocals can be takes up by the other members. Yes, the gig arrangements can be made by someone else. Obviously the drumming will be done by someone else.
What's left is the songwriting. Previously, the other members have written songs. The difference I find is the content of the lyrics. Mike's lyrics always seemed so deep to me, and more meaningful than the lyrics written by other members. His lyrics are what separated DT from most other prog metal bands.
My example is as follows:
The Best of Times - written by Portnoy
The Dark Eternal Night - written by Petrucci
Listen to both. Compare. Look up the wikipedia articles on both.
I'm not saying the other members suck at writing lyrics, they do a good job. What I'm saying is that Portnoy's lyrics are what made me listen to DT in the first place.

That's example has pretty much taken Petrucci's worst and Portnoy's best lyrics though imo. The Best Of Times and A Change Of Seasons had great lyrics, but frankly most of Portnoys other contributions were just full of angst or try-hard metalness.

Get John Myung back in amongst the lyrics imo, he wrote Learning To Live, Lifting Shadows Off A Dream, Trial Of Tears and Fatal Tragedy, all very well written songs, and so long as Petrucci steers clear of the 'horror' stuff his songs are very good also. All the music was always a whole band thing anyway, so I don't think that'll be an issue at all.