Animals As Leaders MEGATHREAD: Navene Koperweis Out, Matt Garstka In

[Isan]

[Konfyouzd]

@ that title alone

[ArrowHead]

Originally Posted by dooredge

Another example of a big city dick w/ a badge. I appreciate what law enforcement does to keep our cities safe, but for god's sake go bust some ACTUAL criminals.

In their defense, doesn't the story begin with them busting ACTUAL criminal(s), until the members of the band and their friends wandered into the scene of the arrest?

[ArrowHead]

Originally Posted by Konfyouzd

None of what you said excused the cop's actions.

Or rather, none of what you said exuses the actions described as I can't personally confirm anything said.

I explained it:

"welcome to Boston, where even the lobsters have crabs".

This is not a city where one expects polite or passive behavior. Cops will swear at you. The cab drivers will swear at you. The guy selling pizza will swear at you, and tell you to clean your ....ing table. It's just that kind of city. If you didn't know, we're a bit famous for it. It all started shooting English people over some shitty tea. We're just not friendly.

[sleightest]

Looks like Cooley has a problem keeping his cool. YYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH! !!

[Konfyouzd]

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

I explained it:

"welcome to Boston, where even the lobsters have crabs".

This is not a city where one expects polite or passive behavior. Cops will swear at you. The cab drivers will swear at you. The guy selling pizza will swear at you, and tell you to clean your ....ing table. It's just that kind of city. If you didn't know, we're a bit famous for it. It all started shooting English people over some shitty tea. We're just not friendly.

Swearing at someone is one thing. You don't live in the only big city in America. People are rude like that all over the place. But grabbing someone and forcing them face first into a wall bc you have a chip on your shoulder is another situation ENTIRELY.

You don't have to go on a crusade for Boston just because a few folks find fault with what a Boston cop did. And being from Boston doesn't automatically excuse blatant douchebaggery. If that were the case I'd walk around all day telling everyone to .... off and afterwards explain to them that I'm from Boston and that's just how we say hi.

[highlordmugfug]

You're a shithead and I hope your mother gets raped and beaten to death in front of you for looking funny.

And I kicked some pregnant bitches in the stomach on the way over here to tell you that, you disgusting piece of shit. Go .... yourself.

That's what I told him, and then I curbstomped him. Serves him right for eating ice cream with his left hand.


S'okay, I'm from Boston.

[Konfyouzd]

[Indigenous]

I think blaming this on Boston being "rude" is just such a massive cop-out (no pun intended). You couldn't go up to some black guy and start calling him racial slurs, and then excuse all of it by saying you're from the South. It's just not how things work. I'm sure there is more to this story that we haven't heard, because there are always two sides, but I feel like the stance you are taking is wildly over-zealous and illogical.

[ArrowHead]

Originally Posted by Konfyouzd

You don't have to go on a crusade for Boston just because a few folks find fault with what a Boston cop did.

Dude, I'm not defending anything - did you miss the part where I said they should SUE and get hundreds of thousands of dollars?

What I'm saying is this entire situation was easily avoidable from the outset if they'd just moved along and stayed out of the way when asked. Dickhead cops are everywhere, and to be expected. What's to gain by confronting them while they're making an arrest that has nothing to do with them?

I'm not defending boston cops, or bad cops. I'm defending ALL cops' right to do their job without argument, resistance, or interference. Fighting for your right to air guitar at midnight with a guy who deals with gunshots, accidents, and beatings all night long, is stupid. No matter HOW the cop reacts to it.

[Konfyouzd]

As little as they did to set him off according to the story it seems like he was gonna start some shit with SOMEONE no matter what. Of course, if this is the same officer from the second article posted, then I'd be willing to bet money on that.

[highlordmugfug]

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

Dude, I'm not defending anything - did you miss the part where I said they should SUE and get hundreds of thousands of dollars?

What I'm saying is this entire situation was easily avoidable from the outset if they'd just moved along and stayed out of the way when asked. Dickhead cops are everywhere, and to be expected. What's to gain by confronting them while they're making an arrest that has nothing to do with them?

I'm not defending boston cops, or bad cops. I'm defending ALL cops' right to do their job without argument, resistance, or interference. Fighting for your right to air guitar at midnight with a guy who deals with gunshots, accidents, and beatings all night long, is stupid. No matter HOW the cop reacts to it.

What you're saying would make sense, had the cop asked him to move, but according to their story, he SHOVED them and TOLD them to stay out of the way. They of course asked what was going on (that would be assault if some random person on the street did it) and were grabbed by the throat and slammed into a wall, then immediately handcuffed and arrested.

Cop was in the wrong, 100%. .... him.

[ArrowHead]

Originally Posted by highlordmugfug

You're a shithead and I hope your mother gets raped and beaten to death in front of you for looking funny.

And I kicked some pregnant bitches in the stomach on the way over here to tell you that, you disgusting piece of shit. Go .... yourself.

That's what I told him, and then I curbstomped him. Serves him right for eating ice cream with his left hand.


S'okay, I'm from Boston.

WOWZA, do you guys miss a point. I'm talking about the INITIAL CONFRONTATION, which likely went like this:

COP: Hey, ....ing watch out. You're interfering with an arrest. Stay out of the way, asshole.

BANDMEMBER: aww, hey officer, why are you like yelling, man? What's with the attitude?



Get me? The ATTITUDE is likely what sparked the initial argument, instead of him just walking away.

Not defending the cops, telling people how easy it is to NOT get arrested by just doing what the cops ask you to do. It's NOT hard.



I'm not saying being from Boston makes pushing people around, breaking their property, or assaulting them okay. I'm saying it means the cop likely used shocking or harsh language that the kid did not react well to. Get that straight before I start getting negged for defending something I'm not defending, folks...

[Konfyouzd]

Originally Posted by highlordmugfug

What you're saying would make sense, had the cop asked him to move, but according to their story, he SHOVED them and TOLD them to stay out of the way. They of course asked what was going on (that would be assault if some random person on the street did it) and were grabbed by the throat and slammed into a wall, then immediately handcuffed and arrested.

Cop was in the wrong, 100%. .... him.

Correction... Once you touch the person it becomes assault AND battery.

Even worse.

Assault, as far as it's been defined to me, is the threat of violence whether explicit or implicit. But I could be off as I'm not a law major.

[Thrashmanzac]

wow that sucks, i hope it all gets sorted out.
this comment made me loose my shit though :
'Why did this have to happen to Animals As leaders?! Why couldn't it have happened to Periphery instead?!'

[highlordmugfug]

^^^It wasn't the attitude, it was getting shoved. Which is very different from just having an attitude, and I don't plan on negging you, and the hyperbole was relevant (since the officer was physically violent, not just rude) so I went for it.

[Konfyouzd]

Originally Posted by Thrashmanzac

wow that sucks, i hope it all gets sorted out.
this comment made me loose my shit though :
'Why did this have to happen to Animals As leaders?! Why couldn't it have happened to Periphery instead?!'

Well damn...

[Konfyouzd]

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

WOWZA, do you guys miss a point. I'm talking about the INITIAL CONFRONTATION, which likely went like this:

COP: Hey, ....ing watch out. You're interfering with an arrest. Stay out of the way, asshole.

BANDMEMBER: aww, hey officer, why are you like yelling, man? What's with the attitude?



Get me? The ATTITUDE is likely what sparked the initial argument, instead of him just walking away.

Not defending the cops, telling people how easy it is to NOT get arrested by just doing what the cops ask you to do. It's NOT hard.



I'm not saying being from Boston makes pushing people around, breaking their property, or assaulting them okay. I'm saying it means the cop likely used shocking or harsh language that the kid did not react well to. Get that straight before I start getting negged for defending something I'm not defending, folks...

We know what you're talking about. You just don't support your points very well as they apply to the current situation. Believe me, I don't care enough to try and twist your words. The fact of the matter is that nothing in that entire story--to me--should have provoked anyone putting their hands on anyone.

[ArrowHead]

Originally Posted by highlordmugfug

What you're saying would make sense, had the cop asked him to move, but according to their story, he SHOVED them and TOLD them to stay out of the way.

Yes, he shoved him and told him to stay away. And he didn't, he continued questioning the officer.

This cop was an ass. He'll likely be disciplined, and the plantiff will likely win and in addition be able to file suit. But it still doesn't change my adage of "when a cop asks something, you DO it." It would have saved their night, saved the tour, saved them a lot of hassle, and saved the city of Boston a lot of money as well.

[Deathspell Omega]

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

WOWZA, do you guys miss a point. I'm talking about the INITIAL CONFRONTATION, which likely went like this:

COP: Hey, ....ing watch out. You're interfering with an arrest. Stay out of the way, asshole.

BANDMEMBER: aww, hey officer, why are you like yelling, man? What's with the attitude?



Get me? The ATTITUDE is likely what sparked the initial argument, instead of him just walking away.

Not defending the cops, telling people how easy it is to NOT get arrested by just doing what the cops ask you to do. It's NOT hard.



I'm not saying being from Boston makes pushing people around, breaking their property, or assaulting them okay. I'm saying it means the cop likely used shocking or harsh language that the kid did not react well to. Get that straight before I start getting negged for defending something I'm not defending, folks...

Yeah, right, Boston is suuuuch a tough city, easily the meanest place in the with only tough guys. One must feel pity for the cops there and only for them......yawn !

[Konfyouzd]

This just in: Asking the police questions is grounds or an ass-whoopin'...

"Why did you push me?"

"Okay, you're goin to jail!"

I feel like more has to happen in the middle for that to be valid. Perhaps that's the part of the story we haven't gotten to read yet.

At any rate, even though the cop told them to do something I still don't feel like he had a reason to go off the deep end like that seemingly immediately. That sounds like an inferiority complex. Moreover, dude doesn't sound like a very good cop and blindly following whatever he says simply because he has a badge seems silly to me no matter how insubordinate/disrepectful/whatever that sentiment may come across.

Wearing a badge doesn't make you supreme authority. His job is to protect and serve and that sounds like the exact opposite of what I read.

[ArrowHead]

Originally Posted by Konfyouzd

We know what you're talking about. You just don't support your points very well as they apply to the current situation. Believe me, I don't care enough to try and twist your words. The fact of the matter is that nothing in that entire story--to me--should have provoked anyone putting their hands on anyone.

You're right. But that's got nothing to do what I'm saying.

What's better:

getting shoved by a cop and going out for pizza,

or getting shoved by a cop, arguing, getting further assaulted, arrested, create a medical dillema, a lengthy court trial, cancel tour dates, and screw the band and fans in the long run?

[dbrozz]

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

Dude, I'm not defending anything - did you miss the part where I said they should SUE and get hundreds of thousands of dollars?

What I'm saying is this entire situation was easily avoidable from the outset if they'd just moved along and stayed out of the way when asked. Dickhead cops are everywhere, and to be expected. What's to gain by confronting them while they're making an arrest that has nothing to do with them?

I'm not defending boston cops, or bad cops. I'm defending ALL cops' right to do their job without argument, resistance, or interference. Fighting for your right to air guitar at midnight with a guy who deals with gunshots, accidents, and beatings all night long, is stupid. No matter HOW the cop reacts to it.

I see your point, but it did happen. So why bother trying to state how they could have avoided it?

I think it's unbelievably unfortunate that this happened to AaL. If only the cop knew the talent he was messing with. Or maybe he did, and arrested the dude playing air guitar for fear that when Abasi and Reyes walked by and joined in, Boston would implode instantly

[synrgy]

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

Dude, I'm not defending anything - did you miss the part where I said they should SUE and get hundreds of thousands of dollars?

What I'm saying is this entire situation was easily avoidable from the outset if they'd just moved along and stayed out of the way when asked. Dickhead cops are everywhere, and to be expected. What's to gain by confronting them while they're making an arrest that has nothing to do with them?

I'm not defending boston cops, or bad cops. I'm defending ALL cops' right to do their job without argument, resistance, or interference. Fighting for your right to air guitar at midnight with a guy who deals with gunshots, accidents, and beatings all night long, is stupid. No matter HOW the cop reacts to it.

The version I read was that they never had a chance to to move along and stay out of the way. They were in the process of "moving along" when the cop grabbed the first band member and slammed him into the wall, before even giving him the opportunity to "stay out of the way when asked". Granted, we're only getting one side of the story, here, but the side we all have access to states that there was no "confronting"; at least not until after the officer had already assaulted one of the band members, unprovoked.

Additionally, I'd say your rant about Boston's attitude is all the more reason why the cop had no reason to give some random passer's by any mind what-so-ever. If *everybody* in the city is such a Tough Guy, why should he be so sensitive to these random people casually walking by?

[Konfyouzd]

Originally Posted by synrgy

Additionally, I'd say your rant about Boston's attitude is all the more reason why the cop had no reason to give some random passer's by any mind what-so-ever. If *everybody* in the city is such a Tough Guy, why should he be so sensitive to these random people casually walking by?

And Carl gets some rep...