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troyguitar · 07-07-2010, 01:20 PM

Here's what I don't understand:

Why is it cool to be so awesomely technical on guitar, bass, drums, keys but the only cool thing to do on vox is go UGHGGHGHH RAAAAAAWWW GRRR UUUHHHH?

Learn to ....ing sing asshole, you're dragging your whole band down.

If you're going to play guitar like a 21st century cyborg, why have a caveman vocalist? It doesn't fit the music at all in theory or in practice.

Randy · 07-07-2010, 01:20 PM

The technical aspect of the music didn't bother me, but the note choices clashed in a way I found unpleasant.

Konfyouzd · 07-07-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by troyguitar

Here's what I don't understand:

Why is it cool to be so awesomely technical on guitar, bass, drums, keys but the only cool thing to do on vox is go UGHGGHGHH RAAAAAAWWW GRRR UUUHHHH?

Learn to ....ing sing asshole, you're dragging your whole band down.

If you're going to play guitar like a 21st century cyborg, why have a caveman vocalist? It doesn't fit the music at all in theory or in practice.

Bridging the gap from prehistoric-school to new school...?

*Konfyouzd is not opposed to growled vocals

guitareben · 07-07-2010, 01:32 PM

Thats a bass(ist)?!?!?!?!??!

guitareben · 07-07-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AxeHappy

And emotion is completely and utterly subjective. So, is feel. You can't say, "There's no feeling in this so it sucks." It just doesn't work.

I don't enjoy music like this at all. But I'm sure that somebody out there is getting something out of it.

Or maybe the musician's are just having fun express themselves technically. Or maybe music like this isn't about feeling or whatever but is more about energy and intensity. Nothing wrong with that either. Not everything needs to be or even should be dripping with emotion.

This.

Music is subjective

Josh Geohagan · 07-07-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by willyman101

This is annoyingly ignorant; it's just that attitude that metalheads have towards the blues where they think it's simple and just get completely the wrong idea. Yeah, plenty of bluesmen slate shred for lacking 'emotion' but I assure you the blues is a lot more complex than you think. There are plenty of shit blues players out there, but there's guys like the aforementioned SRV who are just mind blowing, I'd take him over any shredder any day of the week because more often than not it's a million times more tasteful. And really, a big bend is more of a cause to make a face than sweeping like crazy...

Also since when are most 12 year olds into blues?

I'm gonna add that the band in those vids are abysmal. Who could possibly want to listen to that? I genuinely can't imagine how someone can listen and go "hmm, this is great! I'm going to listen to this on the bus!" It's not even subjective really, this stuff is just straight up turd.

I didn't say I liked this over the top tech-death stuff. I really don't. I find it impressive, but certainly not interesting.

Absolutely nowhere in my post did I say that I disliked blues. I didn't even say that I disliked Pentatonic scales. I stated that this technical style of music was as boring to me as the people that abuse the "emotion/feeling" styles.

I adore SRV, Clapton, Eric Johnson, BB King, etc. but I am also very shred influenced. I'm a big fan of Steve Vai, Jeff Loomis, Jason Becker, etc.

Nothing is wrong with playing slow, or fast respectively, but there is absolutely something wrong with purposely avoiding either spectrum of technicality for the sake of "emotion" or not.

It's disgusting when people make assumptions on musical tastes just because they are quick to defend their viewpoint, with little regard to a statements actual meaning.

Konfyouzd · 07-07-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Geohagan

I stated that this technical style of music was as boring to me as the people that abuse the "emotion/feeling" styles.

Fair enough

chaosxcomplex · 07-07-2010, 01:55 PM

HAHAHAHAAH this is some funny reading...

@Drak: There are still plenty of bands out there doing the kind of Metal you're looking for. Find them, listen to them. If you find something you dislike, don't listen to it. Just like the Howard Stern bullshit that was going on...if you don't like what's on the tv/radio/computer screen or whatever it may be, change it!! You come off as a douche (no offense, if that's possible at this point) when you just bash dudes who are clearly bad mother ....ers on their chosen instruments. I'm beyond positive that all of those guys (in the band in the OP) could sit down and play just about any song you asked of them. They just so happen to enjoy pushing the limits of what they can make their guitars do.

Bottom line: Bit your quitchin and move on.

BenInKY · 07-07-2010, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by troyguitar

Here's what I don't understand:

Why is it cool to be so awesomely technical on guitar, bass, drums, keys but the only cool thing to do on vox is go UGHGGHGHH RAAAAAAWWW GRRR UUUHHHH?

Learn to ....ing sing asshole, you're dragging your whole band down.

If you're going to play guitar like a 21st century cyborg, why have a caveman vocalist? It doesn't fit the music at all in theory or in practice.

Good point. I'm sick of growl scream voice. That's why everybody says death metal gives them a headache and only 1 out of 100 people listen to it. That awful voice ruins the amazing instrumentation.

But in this case, these guys put a lot of effort in to sounding like inaccessible shit. I would not listen to that for fun.

TemjinStrife · 07-07-2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by troyguitar

Here's what I don't understand:

Why is it cool to be so awesomely technical on guitar, bass, drums, keys but the only cool thing to do on vox is go UGHGGHGHH RAAAAAAWWW GRRR UUUHHHH?

Learn to ....ing sing asshole, you're dragging your whole band down.

If you're going to play guitar like a 21st century cyborg, why have a caveman vocalist? It doesn't fit the music at all in theory or in practice.

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Konfyouzd · 07-07-2010, 02:03 PM

"Good" growls aren't necessarily easy either... Just saying. I've tried it and it's not something I was just immediately able to do. There are some bands that just grunt, but there are also ppl like Jens Kidman, Akerfeldt, Corpse Grinder, Randy (LoG), Angela (Arch Enemy) that can do screamed vocals and in *my* opinion, mesh quite well with their band.

I don't see how bashing the vocals is any different from bashing the guitar/bass playing... "It's shit because I don't like it."

AxeHappy · 07-07-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Konfyouzd

I hate the discussion of feeling...

One's inability to feel something does not denote an inherent absence of "feeling"...

End of story

Furthermore, unless you're reading the artist(s)'s thought process as you listen to the music you can neither confirm nor deny the conveyance of the "feeling" in question. Even if such a scenario *were* possible the determination of whether or not the appropriate feelings were conveyed accurately is still completely subjective.

I'm confused that you said, "Not this again..." and then you went on to say the same thing I said?

Konfyouzd · 07-07-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AxeHappy

I'm confused that you said, "Not this again..." and then you went on to say the same thing I said?

My bad, man. I said that in reference to the "feel vs technique" conversation in general.

It wasn't directed at you specifically.

Antimatter · 07-07-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by troyguitar

Here's what I don't understand:

Why is it cool to be so awesomely technical on guitar, bass, drums, keys but the only cool thing to do on vox is go UGHGGHGHH RAAAAAAWWW GRRR UUUHHHH?

Learn to ....ing sing asshole, you're dragging your whole band down.

If you're going to play guitar like a 21st century cyborg, why have a caveman vocalist? It doesn't fit the music at all in theory or in practice.

Here's what I don't understand:

Why is it cool to be so awesomely technical on guitar, bass, drums, keys but the only cool thing to do on vox is go LAAA LAAA LAAA LAA

Learn to ....ing sing asshole, you're dragging your whole band down.

If you're going to play guitar like a 21st century cyborg, why have a bird vocalist? It doesn't fit the music at all in theory or in practice.

Konfyouzd · 07-07-2010, 02:13 PM

Sure, I'll play...

What KONFYOUZD doesn't get:

Why does everyone feel like they can tell everyone else what they *should* do/play?

Why not just buy you're own ....in' guitar (like most of us already have), make music that you think should be made and lead by example w/ your ....in' mouth shut. Let the noobs and the unworthy sit around and speculate...

Antimatter · 07-07-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Konfyouzd

Sure, I'll play...

What KONFYOUZD doesn't get:

Why does everyone else feel like they can tell everyone else what they *should* do/play?

Why not just buy you're own ....in' guitar (like most of us already have), make music that you think should be made and lead by example w/ your ....in' mouth shut. Let the noobs and the unworthy sit around and speculate...

True, but critics have to make money somehow.

metalvince333 · 07-07-2010, 02:21 PM

I love beneath the massacre even if the 2 albums sound like one big endless song...their slower stuff (yup theres 2 or 3 songs like that) are the best IMO

troyguitar · 07-07-2010, 02:21 PM

It has nothing to do with the fact that it's growling. Yeah I hate that shit but that's just my opinion. The fact is that the growling is not even in the same universe of technicality as the rest of the band.

If that ....er were growling out scales and arpeggios like some kind of aria from hell, then it would fit. I still would hate it, but at least he would fit in the band.

Konfyouzd · 07-07-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by troyguitar

It has nothing to do with the fact that it's growling. Yeah I hate that shit but that's just my opinion. The fact is that the growling is not even in the same universe of technicality as the rest of the band.

If that ....er were growling out scales and arpeggios like some kind of aria from hell, then it would fit. I still would hate it, but at least he would fit in the band.

I think that in choosing the style they did they've already demonstrated that they don't care what you think "fits".

Antimatter · 07-07-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by troyguitar

It has nothing to do with the fact that it's growling. Yeah I hate that shit but that's just my opinion. The fact is that the growling is not even in the same universe of technicality as the rest of the band.

If that ....er were growling out scales and arpeggios like some kind of aria from hell, then it would fit. I still would hate it, but at least he would fit in the band.

That's not how growling works. It's not singing, it doesn't pitch.

Necris · 07-07-2010, 02:34 PM

They could always try to get Mike Patton:

Konfyouzd · 07-07-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Antimatter

That's not how growling works. It's not singing, it doesn't pitch.

Well there *are* different pitches, but yea...

Not sure you'll be hearing anyone growl an arpeggio

Antimatter · 07-07-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Konfyouzd

Well there *are* different pitches, but yea...

Not sure you'll be hearing anyone growl an arpeggio

Well you know what I mean. I just get irritated when people say it's not good singing, because it's a completely different thing from singing.

Konfyouzd · 07-07-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Antimatter

Well you know what I mean. I just get irritated when people say it's not good singing, because it's a completely different thing from singing.

Different = bad. You fail.

troyguitar · 07-07-2010, 02:40 PM

That's BS. Maybe growlers just aren't talented enough to control the pitches, but it has pitch.

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Randy DAN OUDA DAN • Super Moderator • Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The Electric City, NY Posts: 15,958 Thanked: 165 Feedback Score: 12 reviews	The technical aspect of the music didn't bother me, but the note choices clashed in a way I found unpleasant. "Can we pull back the veil of static and reach in to the source of all being? Behind this curtain of patterns, this random pattern generator. So clever. Right here in every home, watching us from a one-sided mirror." Argbadh - RHLC©

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chaosxcomplex 01123581321 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 735 Thanked: 17 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	HAHAHAHAAH this is some funny reading... @Drak: There are still plenty of bands out there doing the kind of Metal you're looking for. Find them, listen to them. If you find something you dislike, don't listen to it. Just like the Howard Stern bullshit that was going on...if you don't like what's on the tv/radio/computer screen or whatever it may be, change it!! You come off as a douche (no offense, if that's possible at this point) when you just bash dudes who are clearly bad mother ....ers on their chosen instruments. I'm beyond positive that all of those guys (in the band in the OP) could sit down and play just about any song you asked of them. They just so happen to enjoy pushing the limits of what they can make their guitars do. Bottom line: Bit your quitchin and move on. http://soundclick.com/joshbellaire "Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun." "Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken." "In order to argue you need to make a point, and so far yours have been about as sharp and focused as the average pillow." -JBroll "Seven strings are freakin' sweet. It's like having sex for the first time without a condom: You wonder why the hell you never tried it before, and how you'll ever go back." -EcoliUVA

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Konfyouzd Dread-I Master Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mars Posts: 15,460 Thanked: 191 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	"Good" growls aren't necessarily easy either... Just saying. I've tried it and it's not something I was just immediately able to do. There are some bands that just grunt, but there are also ppl like Jens Kidman, Akerfeldt, Corpse Grinder, Randy (LoG), Angela (Arch Enemy) that can do screamed vocals and in my opinion, mesh quite well with their band. I don't see how bashing the vocals is any different from bashing the guitar/bass playing... "It's shit because I don't like it." "... and on either side of the river was the tree of life. The leaves of this tree were for the healing of nations." "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle and the herb for the service of man." "Lifes too short to hate Floyd Roses."

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guitareben SS.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: London Posts: 777 Thanked: 27 / 1 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thats a bass(ist)?!?!?!?!??!

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Konfyouzd Dread-I Master Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mars Posts: 15,460 Thanked: 191 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Sure, I'll play... What KONFYOUZD doesn't get: Why does everyone feel like they can tell everyone else what they should do/play? Why not just buy you're own ....in' guitar (like most of us already have), make music that you think should be made and lead by example w/ your ....in' mouth shut. Let the noobs and the unworthy sit around and speculate... "... and on either side of the river was the tree of life. The leaves of this tree were for the healing of nations." "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle and the herb for the service of man." "Lifes too short to hate Floyd Roses."

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troyguitar SS.org Regular Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bloomsburg, PA Posts: 7,383 Thanked: 63 $troyguitar is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $troyguitar is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $troyguitar is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $troyguitar is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $troyguitar is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $troyguitar is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $troyguitar is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 10 reviews	That's BS. Maybe growlers just aren't talented enough to control the pitches, but it has pitch. American Metal with real singing!

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