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[dantejayg85]

That answers nothing. Let me get this straight, he works harder then most because why? He has to work a job and OMG support himself? What is he like 14? How is that working harder then most? That's called being an adult, you know that part of life after you turn 18 and you don't live off mommy and daddy anymore? It's not a new concept or anything it's been happening for years....

[Lucas Crowe]

I actually can't understand the issue with Spencer asking for donations on his personal Facebook account. Even if he did just sit on his ass all day, what does it matter?

[arkohors]

I see a lot of people getting bent out of shape over Spencer asking for donations, so I figured i'll go ahead and add my two cents.

Musicians asking for donations to support upcoming projects is becoming commonplace these days, as the working musician doesn't make shit moneywise. This is not the 80's where you can "play" a guitar in any club in L.A. and get a multi-million dollar record contract. I see bands all the time asking for help to make their next record, and most of the time it's not a problem. Why it's getting blown out of proportion here, I'm not entirely sure, but i have an idea....

I see a lot of bands giving back to the fans that donate (i.e. a copy of the new album when it's released if you donate *insert* amount, or time to hang out at the studio during the recording session if you donate a large amount. Well, this situation is different....Spencer is asking for donations to put together a mobile recording setup, so he can write/record on the road or wherever he goes. I'm sure if he was asking for donations for studio time (like the other bands) he'd offer something back like that, but his situation is different obviously. Also, he's just now trying to get this project started.....it's hard to get funding for an EP, when you don't really have anything recorded to shop around to labels.....did any think about that????

Everybody feels like they deserve something for making a donation, which defeats the purpose of making one at all. Hey Spencer, can I get my name in the booklet if I give you this $xxx amount? All joking aside, people get real....a donation is supporting a good cause, and the positive feeling you get from that should be more than enough. If you donate, you're supporting an awesome EP, as Skin Deep was a cool song, i'm sure the rest will be. If you don't donate, you can still get said EP when it gets released.

I could continue this rant, and I may later, but I'll leave off with this....

He's asking for donations....either give or don't....don't be a douche and call the guy lazy, or tell him to get a job when you don't even know the situation (and you pretend to be an expert about the guy's life). That's tasteless and tactless, which seems to be trend for personality traits on the internet.

[Zei]

I don't care about him asking for donations, but dantejayg has a point now. Just because he works hard doesn't entitle him to anything.

I think it's fine asking for a bit of help, but making excuses for it is needless. Saying "I need a little help getting my rig started, anything you are willing to donate is helpful" should be fine, and there shouldn't be any bitching about it. Either do it, or don't. It's not like he's threatening anyone or anything.

[bulb]

Originally Posted by dantejayg85

How exactly does he work harder than most? Please explain that... I work a full time and have a wife and kid that I fully support plus car payments mortgage etc and I'm also in a band so does that entitle me to donations too?

You could always do that, and you might be surprised to find that you actually get some. But then again maybe not with your rotten attitude. Look we get it, you dont want to donate you dont approve. And yet all your whining has amounted to nothing, we are still doing it, Spence got a lot of donations, and you just look butthurt and jealous. Cut your losses and drop it dude, at this point you are just imposing your opinion repeatedly to no avail.

If you really are in a band i highly recommend you take a good look at how you talk to people, as it is definitely not doing you any favors, good luck with that...

[bulb]

Originally Posted by Zei

I don't care about him asking for donations, but dantejayg has a point now. Just because he works hard doesn't entitle him to anything.

I think it's fine asking for a bit of help, but making excuses for it is needless. Saying "I need a little help getting my rig started, anything you are willing to donate is helpful" should be fine, and there shouldn't be any bitching about it. Either do it, or don't. It's not like he's threatening anyone or anything.

Whether Spence works hard or not was never the point, i was just seeing some people say things like "he should get a job" which shows that you guys dont realize that he works full time when he goes home and gives lessons on top of that. Completely disrespectful.

[bulb]

Originally Posted by Lucas Crowe

I actually can't understand the issue with Spencer asking for donations on his personal Facebook account. Even if he did just sit on his ass all day, what does it matter?

Some people are just bitter and have no place better to take it out than on the internet.

[bulb]

Originally Posted by dantejayg85

That answers nothing. Let me get this straight, he works harder then most because why? He has to work a job and OMG support himself? What is he like 14? How is that working harder then most? That's called being an adult, you know that part of life after you turn 18 and you don't live off mommy and daddy anymore? It's not a new concept or anything it's been happening for years....

IF YOU DONT WANT TO DONATE YOU DONT HAVE TO <---- (new concept for you perhaps, seriously think about it, it might blow your mind haha!)

[JamesM]

What a loser. I don't ask for donations.



I take them.





...., why does everyone think that their stupid little opinion is so important? ....ing internet...

[Zei]

Originally Posted by bulb

Whether Spence works hard or not was never the point, i was just seeing some people say things like "he should get a job" which shows that you guys dont realize that he works full time when he goes home and gives lessons on top of that. Completely disrespectful.

Oh I know it wasn't. But some people were bringing it up like it was an excuse. It really isn't, and it shouldn't have even been brought up anyways.

I'm pretty sure you sound like you're ready to drop the subject

I've always wondered, does producing music for people pay well at all?

Originally Posted by The Armada

What a loser. I don't ask for donations.



I take them.





...., why does everyone think that their stupid little opinion is so important? ....ing internet...

[JamesM]

I don't work on the same level as Misha, but yes--it can definitely get your bills paid...

[Stealthdjentstic]

Depends what your idea of good money is and what you're producing. Some people aren't happy unless they have a 10 million dollar house and a ferrari and some people think $100,000 a year is a lot.

[Zei]

Originally Posted by Stealthtastic

Depends what your idea of good money is and what you're producing. Some people aren't happy unless they have a 10 million dollar house and a ferrari and some people think $100,000 a year is a lot.

By well, I mean enough to live off of and still have a bit of spending money. Nothing too extravagant, but a bit. Y'know?

[prh]

i dont get whats so complex about the idea of supporting an artist if you like what they do. have none of you ever bought a CD before?

actually dont answer that, this is 2011 after all

[dreamermind]

this thread is turns out to be typical blabbermouth nonsense.
if you want to support Spencer do that if not then I don't see why you should judge him. For example Keith Merrow bought some recording equipment for donated money and his latest release sounds way better than previous ones.

[mhickman2]

Misha really wasted his time on these posts. Honestly, the fact that he is defending Spencer like he is speaks volumes about the kind of support Spencer has with Periphery. I for one find no harm in asking for donations. It's as simple as yes or no, with out any additional words to be said other than, "Thank you." or "Your welcome."

[EtherealEntity]

Originally Posted by Stealthtastic

some people think $100,000 a year is a lot.

Don't want to throw this off topic...but this post implies that you think it's not. How is it not a lot?

[Bradd]

u know who i hate for asking for TAX FREE donations? the ....ing churches ! .... them religious ....s! (pardon the language)

anywho, id give spence some money, but im a broke ass ...... at the moment.

but ill buy ya's all a beer in brisbane if ya want?

[Stealthdjentstic]

Originally Posted by EtherealEntity

Don't want to throw this off topic...but this post implies that you think it's not. How is it not a lot?

Canadian tax structure

[bulb]

Originally Posted by Zei

Oh I know it wasn't. But some people were bringing it up like it was an excuse. It really isn't, and it shouldn't have even been brought up anyways.

I'm pretty sure you sound like you're ready to drop the subject

I've always wondered, does producing music for people pay well at all?

It pays amazingly well, if i were to do it all year, i would be rich. Sadly i just prefer being in a band, but its always a good fallback, and i produce bands to survive throughout the year. When you tour 6-9 months a year, it just gets very difficult to find a job that will hire you given that you wont be working there most of the time, and for that slot to be open for you whenever you are back it takes even more luck, especially in this job climate. So i am definitely in a lucky and unique situation with this. Spence tries to produce as much as possible, but between working, giving lessons, and having to work on new material so you guys can have new music to listen to, there just isnt time in the day.

[EtherealEntity]

Originally Posted by bulb

It pays amazingly well

That's interesting and promising. I was under the impression that it's incredibly hard to get by unless you're working in a very reputable studio for big name mainstream acts.
If you were more full time, how many bands could say you'd work with each year?
How do you go about charging - set price per project or by the hour or what?
Is it actually possible to organise royalties?
I just can't imagine it working out, and as I talk to people in the industry it seems a common fact that you wont even break even for a good while at best and you're going to be poor for life

[vampiregenocide]

Well this thread turned kinda ugly. I'd donate if I could. I do hope Spence is able to get his music out to the world soon. As someone who has tried for a long time to form a decent band and get recording, I can understand the frustration of having ideas and not being able to bring them to life.

[Fiction]

I'm just going to ask this straight up, I may have questions later heh.

Do you think its possible to actually gain a reputable status producing, coming out of no where. I mean you did it, but this coming from an 18 year old, down in Australia. Should I go down a career path in sound engineering or not, I haven't put much effort in to school so I don't think I'm going to get into the courses I was hoping to.

I spend roughly 2-3 hours playing guitar each day if I'm not working, with at least 1 hour solid practice on technique. The rest of my time is made up of reading countless threads on music, reading sound engineering stuff. Its all I seem to be doing in the last couple of months, although i haven't been able to put the reading to test properly yet due to my macbook freezing when i have around 2-3 tracks running, but i have $1200 now, ready to put down into recording equipment if I do go down this path.

Edit: Sorry if this is derailing from the topic of periphery, but it seems to be whats being talked about besides spencer at the moment.

[dantejayg85]

Originally Posted by bulb

You could always do that, and you might be surprised to find that you actually get some. But then again maybe not with your rotten attitude. Look we get it, you dont want to donate you dont approve. And yet all your whining has amounted to nothing, we are still doing it, Spence got a lot of donations, and you just look butthurt and jealous. Cut your losses and drop it dude, at this point you are just imposing your opinion repeatedly to no avail.

If you really are in a band i highly recommend you take a good look at how you talk to people, as it is definitely not doing you any favors, good luck with that...

Lol first off it wasn't whining, it was stating an opinion, this is a forum that's kinda what people do on them, and just because it differed from your viewpoint doesn't make it whining.......Actually I wouldn't say to no avail it got you riled up enough to start a debate, plus, the only one getting butthurt on here is you bro lol

I find it kinda funny that you think by me stating my view that im "imposing" my opinion on others, now what I can't understand is why by your logic I could ignore spencers post or anybody elses posts that I didn't agree with, but that doesn't apply to you? You HAD to reply to mine? Also by your reasoning spencers post wasn't affecting me, which is true, but my posts weren't affecting you, so why reply?
Having a difference of opinion is not equal to having a rotten attitude I just say things as I see them and im not on the kiss bulb and peripheries ass bandwagon, if I agree with you cool, if I don't that's cool too,it's what keeps things interesting. No need to take everything personally bro

[Kurkkuviipale]

You HAD to reply to mine?

If he didn't he would get even more shit on his head.

Seriously, give the dudes a brake. If you want to hear Peripherys second album sooner, go donate. If you don't, don't donate. Simple as that.

but my posts weren't affecting you, so why reply?

Again, they were. If bulb would have just sit down silent and watch people go mad, he would (as a person that takes contact with fans) have gotten shit on his head, plus things would still be uncleared. It would have affected the band if he didn't respond any, but just leave an FB update "begging for money" (note the quotes) there and continue his everyday life.