Periphery SUPERHYPERMEGATHREAD: Everything Periphery

[Cynic]

Originally Posted by bulb

Ah haha I see, not the most tactful person are ya, haha its okay, its the internet. Anyways no I dislike jake and chris because while everyone else in the band was working hard tomake progress with the band, their actions and/or lack thereof actually worked against and impeded progress. Repeatedly. And I don't find it unreasonable to find that unacceptable.

Nope. I usually never take anything seriously (outside of music). My friends get on to me for it, on numerous occasions, for being inappropriate because I handle situations by joking around. I hope that I didn't step on your toes.


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[seosubmitter]

so whats a good program for programmed drums. i use fruity loops but they still sound fake. any ideas???

[Kurkkuviipale]

Originally Posted by seosubmitter

so whats a good program for programmed drums. i use fruity loops but they still sound fake. any ideas???

You use fruity loops, but they STILL sound fake? Seriously?

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You might want to check out Superior Drummer 2.

[bulb]

Originally Posted by Cynic

Nope. I usually never take anything seriously (outside of music). My friends get on to me for it, on numerous occasions, for being inappropriate because I handle situations by joking around. I hope that I didn't step on your toes.


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i gotcha and its all good in the hood! its hard to read tone online sometimes haha, sometimes when i meet a person from a forum in real life it puts a lot of their posts in context...for better or for worse hahah.

If i have the forum's permission to rant really quick:
I guess sometimes this ex singer thing is a touchy subject because some people dont realize that the reasons we kicked out 2 of our singers were for reasons they would have been kicked out of any band, and if anything we probably put up with their shit for longer than we should have, i really dont think its unreasonable to dislike them as musicians and as people after experiencing that.
but with that said there is ONE contribution from each singer which i still can say they genuinely did a good job on:

Jake did a good job with all i want for christmas is you (because he was kinda just being himself, as scary as that thought may be)
And i think that Chris absolutely killed the Michael Jackson Black or White cover (because he wasnt singing things beyond his ability and out of his range, and i think that is the ONLY thing i have ever heard him sing with any emotion or tone that had at least some character in it)

[bulb]

Originally Posted by seosubmitter

so whats a good program for programmed drums. i use fruity loops but they still sound fake. any ideas???

Toontrack Superior Drummer 2.0

[wannabguitarist]

Originally Posted by JosephAOI

Damn... I was talking about the one with Jake (or was that Casey?) with 'Next, Please' and 'The Fast Ones' on it. I don't think they're avalible for download on your soundclick to my knowledge.

Next Please with vocals is somewhere way back in the depths of Bulb's soundclick and the Fast Ones with vocals is one some fake music video someone made that was uploaded by Jake. Both are pretty good songs actually but not nearly as interesting as their current material. Neither of them sound like Periphery imo

[bulb]

Originally Posted by wannabguitarist

Next Please with vocals is somewhere way back in the depths of Bulb's soundclick and the Fast Ones with vocals is one some fake music video someone made that was uploaded by Jake. Both are pretty good songs actually but not nearly as interesting as their current material. Neither of them sound like Periphery imo

Agreed, i wont say they are bad songs (though the vocals are pretty terrible by our standards) but they arent great, and they just would never make the cut against the other songs that are being considered for the albums.

[Cynic]

Originally Posted by bulb

i gotcha and its all good in the hood! its hard to read tone online sometimes haha, sometimes when i meet a person from a forum in real life it puts a lot of their posts in context...for better or for worse hahah.

If i have the forum's permission to rant really quick:
I guess sometimes this ex singer thing is a touchy subject because some people dont realize that the reasons we kicked out 2 of our singers were for reasons they would have been kicked out of any band, and if anything we probably put up with their shit for longer than we should have, i really dont think its unreasonable to dislike them as musicians and as people after experiencing that.
but with that said there is ONE contribution from each singer which i still can say they genuinely did a good job on:

Jake did a good job with all i want for christmas is you (because he was kinda just being himself, as scary as that thought may be)
And i think that Chris absolutely killed the Michael Jackson Black or White cover (because he wasnt singing things beyond his ability and out of his range, and i think that is the ONLY thing i have ever heard him sing with any emotion or tone that had at least some character in it)

So I'm assuming there were behavioral and personality issues that made the band not want to work with these guys?

I don't know if I agree with the part that I put in bold, though. Maybe consistency was the issue? Personally, I think that if you can hit the pitch, regardless of the strain or comfort, then it is in your range. It sounds like his range has improved though, judging from the Ever Forthright tracks. On the "Light demo", he seemed to struggle with the B4 in the chorus, but in Ever Forthright's "Screen Scenarios" he finds his way to a D5 and even manages to give the pitch a turn.

I don't really know what I'm trying to get at.

[bulb]

Originally Posted by Cynic

So I'm assuming there were behavioral and personality issues that made the band not want to work with these guys?

I don't know if I agree with the part that I put in bold, though. Maybe consistency was the issue? Personally, I think that if you can hit the pitch, regardless of the strain or comfort, then it is in your range. It sounds like his range has improved though, judging from the Ever Forthright tracks. On the "Light demo", he seemed to struggle with the B4 in the chorus, but in Ever Forthright's "Screen Scenarios" he finds his way to a D5 and even manages to give the pitch a turn.

I don't really know what I'm trying to get at.

Yeah there were definitely severe behavioral, personality and work ethic issues that ended up actively working AGAINST our forward progress on a painfully consistent basis.
To top it off, although he could technically hit those high notes once in a while, he would blow his voice out by doing so, and not be able to sing for a few days, so thats what i mean by out of his range. On a recording you can take your time and nail it, but he used to sing the lower harmonies or just scream a lot of parts live because he knew he wouldnt be able to hit them or if he did, he knew he would blow his voice out. Hell he blew his voice out a few times just recording those high notes.
Now this issue alone wouldnt have been the end of the world if he had been working hard to improve, but he didnt and instead he would smoke cigarettes and weed and drink claiming that if Sinatra could do it, so could he. This in addition to the laundry list of other issues he had and was responsible for became too much to handle.

For his and his new band's sake i do hope he has changed his ways or else they will soon see this attitude for themselves once they start touring.

[ROAR]

Originally Posted by bulb

instead he would smoke cigarettes and weed and drink claiming that if Sinatra could do it, so could he.

Words to live by.

[Stealthdjentstic]

Thats good you guys kicked him out then, you could really tell he couldnt hit those high notes too..

[MerlinTKD]

Never understood the point of having a public discussion of a band's inner personnel issues; sometimes personalities don't click, sometimes it's more than that, but prodding an artist into dishing on ex-bandmates doesn't serve anyone, IMO. Three (?) vocalists gone, one working out fine, end of story.

As an example, I was in a band with two very talented guys who progressed from beer to weed to coke in less than a year; I and another jumped ship when we saw how erratic they'd become. I'll never be in a band with either again, but i still speak to both and wont tell this story with names. They're getting by, im doing fine, thats all anyone needs to know. Im sure everyone has similar stories that they wouldnt give details on, so dont expect Bulb & co. to want to be different.

[Cynic]

Originally Posted by MerlinTKD

Never understood the point of having a public discussion of a band's inner personnel issues; sometimes personalities don't click, sometimes it's more than that, but prodding an artist into dishing on ex-bandmates doesn't serve anyone, IMO. Three (?) vocalists gone, one working out fine, end of story.

As an example, I was in a band with two very talented guys who progressed from beer to weed to coke in less than a year; I and another jumped ship when we saw how erratic they'd become. I'll never be in a band with either again, but i still speak to both and wont tell this story with names. They're getting by, im doing fine, thats all anyone needs to know. Im sure everyone has similar stories that they wouldnt give details on, so dont expect Bulb & co. to want to be different.

He didn't have to share anything. He could have just said that he didn't want to discuss any private issues, and we would have understood.
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"instead he would smoke cigarettes and weed and drink claiming that if Sinatra could do it, so could he."

Despite the situation, that is actually pretty funny.

[Asrial]

Well, just to throw in my own opinion @ the Chris-case:
As a musician in general, shouldn't you just record what you are able to play/perform, or progress skillwise so you can do so in the future? Whereas it was stated you recorded really high notes with him, and then he went dead for days. That's like recording any other instrument, and going lucky with one really tight track, then progressing live and performing with an intense sloppyness, because of the "hit-or-miss". Either that, or trying to play the 27th fret on a relic fender.
With that said, totally understandable he got the boot, based on what has been stated. (And the Sinatra-one was lolworthy.)

[bulb]

Originally Posted by Cynic

He didn't have to share anything. He could have just said that he didn't want to discuss any private issues, and we would have understood.
vv

"instead he would smoke cigarettes and weed and drink claiming that if Sinatra could do it, so could he."

Despite the situation, that is actually pretty funny.

Yeah it is, my response to that is: Sinatra was talented.

I really dont mind sharing anything to be honest, if anything i feel like in some cases misunderstandings and rumors have had a bit too much weight to them and in some cases have very unfairly represented the situation, i dont mind clearing these things up at all.

[vampiregenocide]

Bulb would there ever be a chance of an 'armory' tour video, showing off all the guitars and gear you own? You have an awesome collection and it would be awesome to hear some of your opinions regarding why you like particular guitars, what are their strengths and just general opinions. Being the owner of so much gear you're sort of the go to guy on a lot of brands.

[Antenna]

Gah this is like Keeping Up With The Periphasians! I'm biting my nails waiting on what new little bit of the stories unfolds next!

not trying to waiver the subject of conversation here but I have to ask....

Bulb, AXE FX II? Any possibilities?

[Stealthdjentstic]

I would kill for a video of you just talking/running through your gear etc...like all of it.

[Cynic]

He already has the Axe-FX III.

[Antenna]

Originally Posted by Cynic

He already has the Axe-FX III.

.... MY LIFE

[Asrial]

I'd rather have a full demo presentation on all the guitars!

[Antenna]

Another question about vocalists.... did you guys ever consider your homeboy Elliot? ...or was he strictly just a buddy to do OMNOM with? I guess that kinda like asking why Mark Holcomb isn't peripheries guitarist number 4 lol. You have too many musicians readily available in your direct social group dude, I call bullshit on that good sir, I can't even get a jam buddy.

[Kurkkuviipale]

Originally Posted by Antenna

Another question about vocalists.... did you guys ever consider your homeboy Elliot? ...or was he strictly just a buddy to do OMNOM with? I guess that kinda like asking why Mark Holcomb isn't peripheries guitarist number 4 lol. You have too many msuicians readily available in your direct social group dude, I call bullshit on that good sir, I can't even get a jam buddy.

Elliot is one hell of a singer, but in Periphery? Dno really...

[Antenna]

Originally Posted by Kurkkuviipale

Elliot is one hell of a singer, but in Periphery? Dno really...

Oh yeah I mean I couldn't see Elliot in it, but once upon a time I couldn't see them having anyone other than Casey, and then I couldn't see them having anyone other than Chris. I just wondered if he was ever considered or even a passing topic of hypothetical commentation.

[AirJordanStaal]

Originally Posted by Asrial

I'd rather have a full demo presentation on all the guitars!

This would be awesome, but extremely time consuming haha.

It's interesting hearing a bit about the inner workings of periphery and it's cool that bulb can be candid about it. The frank sinatra quote is funny if you can remove yourself from the situation but imagining actually being in a situation like that, trying to get a person to do some work and hearing that...really just cringe worthy.