Why don't new bands leave any 'space' in their music?

matty2fatty · 06-04-2010, 03:52 AM

I'm about halfway through the Pantera live album, and realized that there's very few newer metal bands that leave any space in their music anymore. Vinnie didn't overwhelm songs with 180mph blast beats, the songs all had grooves, and they were memorable. I could put this shit on 20 years from now and still know every piece of every song. And, they had awesome breakdowns before it was a dirty word.

This is probably just me turning old, but after listening to nonstop craziness for the last little while it was cool to hear things air out a bit, if you know what I mean.

And yes, I realize a lot of board members here don't dig Pantera, but they're just an example.

Thoughts?

signalgrey · 06-04-2010, 04:10 AM

i agree. alot of the metal people talk about on here i just cant get into cause its on 10 the whole time. Of course there are songs where its supposed to be on 10 the whole time. shit there are albums where its ok to be 10 the whole time. BUT...i like having a song that takes a step back

B36arin · 06-04-2010, 04:22 AM

I totally agree with both of you. OK, some music is supposed to be brutal the entire time. But personally I really enjoy dynamics in music. A death metal album that has the same intensity all the time and is compressed to -5dB RMS just doesn't interest me most of the time. Bear in mind that I'm a huge death metal fan. I'm also a believer that without softer parts, heavier parts don't have the same impact.

vampiregenocide · 06-04-2010, 04:30 AM

Meshuggah do it quite nicely. You get a droney chug for a while then it stops, with creepy clean sections or leads, and then bounces right back into it.

SchecterWhore · 06-04-2010, 04:33 AM

Contrast makes a better impression, I think. Really simple differences of texture within a song gives it a more complex character. For example:

2:53 comes out of nowhere, and is ....ing awesome.

That said, I think that some people have an idea and either don't develop upon it as a result of focusing too much on that single idea, or exploit that idea to be the most br00tul, or whatever. I don't know if this makes sense, I'm a bit drunk.

Bloody_Inferno · 06-04-2010, 04:40 AM

Maybe the attention span of the young is getting smaller?

In all seriousness, yeah, I somewhat agree that dynamics are often neglected in many of the new bands nowadays. Not pointing the finger, but I do notice this with the new metal bands I've seen playing around of late. It's a timeless creed that dynamics really do seperate the men from the boys. It's a very important aspect in songwriting. I don't care what kind of music anyone listens to, this applies to every kind of music.

It's almost similar to a conversation, or when one presents himself. Sometimes you need some time to breath and not talk and be the centre of attention all the time. That kind of space or silence really does create tension that makes songs great, more compelling and memorable.

matty2fatty · 06-04-2010, 04:52 AM

You're right on the money with Death, that's what I thought of as soon as I made this thread, and I was also a bit drunk, so I think we're on the same wavelength, haha. When I'm drinking I always go for the simpler stuff, can't handle Beneath the Massacre when I'm 12 drinks in, it's gotta groove

SchecterWhore · 06-04-2010, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matty2fatty

You're right on the money with Death, that's what I thought of as soon as I made this thread, and I was also a bit drunk, so I think we're on the same wavelength, haha. When I'm drinking I always go for the simpler stuff, can't handle Beneath the Massacre when I'm 12 drinks in, it's gotta groove

Dude... in some countries, I think that makes us twins.

hypermagic · 06-04-2010, 05:19 AM

Despite being the mathcore whore of this board I agree that songwriting and space/pacing take precedent over RRRRAAAHHHHH

Variant · 06-04-2010, 05:32 AM

I wholeheartedly agree with the OP. Even SYL's most raging albums ('City' and 'Alien') dip down on to ambiance and/or groove to a great effect. Timed right, it can really pump up the heaviness of an album instead of bringing it down.

MF_Kitten · 06-04-2010, 05:40 AM

this is something that pisses me off too, actually. contrast and context is what makes something really hit you hard! it pisses me off about dynamics and the volume war too, since quiet parts followed by really heavy parts are the same volume, and it loses all punch. hell, i accidentally had that happen in my latest song, and i´m going to go back and fix it, because it just doesn´t do it´s job!

meshuggah are awesome about this. they go balls out for a good while, but there´s always relief and release in their albums.

i love Tesseract´s sense of dynamics. Acle is a genious when it comes to these things, both sound-wise and musically!

13point9 · 06-04-2010, 05:44 AM

imo having dynamic changes makes i band sound even heavier when they go to 10 rather than being at full blast all the time, and vice versa, if theyre going all out and suddenly drop out it has a large impact on the music...

Soreption are very good at going very fast but the odd picking patterns and drums give it a real groove, and the stop start nature of it makes it more interesting to listen to

Marcus · 06-04-2010, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vampiregenocide

Meshuggah do it quite nicely. You get a droney chug for a while then it stops, with creepy clean sections or leads, and then bounces right back into it.

The open F after the clean section is one of the heaviest bits on the album IMO

ry_z · 06-04-2010, 08:01 AM

Two great examples of 'space' being used to create tension, in very different contexts:

at 4:10:

And in a non-br00tals context, at 1:48, the break at 2:52, and again at 4:05:

Leon · 06-04-2010, 08:04 AM

It's just a different type of style. I vastly prefer Pantera to a lot of the newer bands out there for just that reason. But, if any of them want to solidify themselves, maybe they'll start to write better songs

JohnIce · 06-04-2010, 08:14 AM

I fully agree with the OP, and as a side note, I watched 2001: A Space Oddysey last night and the same thing struck me about movies: there is no silence/calm in modern movies. I think it's the attention span as mentioned, people these days expect to be showered with impressions when they put on a song or movie or read a magazine or whatever.

I learned some very valuable stuff when recording with Björn Dixgård from Mando Diao. We had our songs arranged, rehearsed, we'd even gigged them a few times, and now we were going to record them. He immediately rearranged the songs from the ground up, NOTHING that I had planned to play made it onto the record. Because it was just too busy, it didn't contribute to the dynamics, and it didn't leave room.

I learned that when everyone plays simple stuff together, the end result becomes much more dynamic, clear and just more listenable. Once you've got that down you can start adding some more interesting stuff, but keeping it simple is kind of a lost art today and the old saying "less is more" is actually spot-on a most of the time.

ittoa666 · 06-04-2010, 09:49 AM

The fact that many new bands can't do it is testament to their writing skills. Imo, it takes a very talented writer to add parts like that to a song and make them flow.

MF_Kitten · 06-04-2010, 10:07 AM

this is also why i hate advertisement. on both tv and radio it's just noise and constant sound pressure. silence has somehow turned into the naughtiest of evils or something. if there's a part without speech or content, they add sound effects and music, and it's all compressed to hell as well.

there was an advertisement not too long ago where it was just a white screen with complete and utter silence for a moment, then just a quiet voice saying something like "it's good to have a break sometimes" or something, and whenever that advertisement hit, it was like those moments when the fridge suddenly stops humming. suddenly you go "whoah! what just happened?!"

the same applies to music. like when a band has little pauses in the groove, only to jump back in with force. athmospheric parts that contrast the heavy parts so they kick really hard when they come back in, etc. most of the music i listen to has that quality. when it doesn't then that's the main idea of the music, and done on purpose to make it raging and fiery. and even then it's more dynamic than the fresh bandwagoners that pop up all the time with their indistinct samey sound...

pink freud · 06-04-2010, 10:27 AM

It is indeed this (my) generation's attention span. When talking to people my age about Opeth, if they don't like the band their number one excuse is "Opeth is boring."

synrgy · 06-04-2010, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MF_Kitten

this is also why i hate advertisement. on both tv and radio it's just noise and constant sound pressure. silence has somehow turned into the naughtiest of evils or something. if there's a part without speech or content, they add sound effects and music, and it's all compressed to hell as well.

there was an advertisement not too long ago where it was just a white screen with complete and utter silence for a moment, then just a quiet voice saying something like "it's good to have a break sometimes" or something, and whenever that advertisement hit, it was like those moments when the fridge suddenly stops humming. suddenly you go "whoah! what just happened?!"

the same applies to music. like when a band has little pauses in the groove, only to jump back in with force. athmospheric parts that contrast the heavy parts so they kick really hard when they come back in, etc. most of the music i listen to has that quality. when it doesn't then that's the main idea of the music, and done on purpose to make it raging and fiery. and even then it's more dynamic than the fresh bandwagoners that pop up all the time with their indistinct samey sound...

Separate issue, but I SO HEAR YOU on this one. I CANNOT STAND what has happened to audio on television, in films, etc. If you keep your volume controls at the same settings, all the sound effects and music will sound like they're on 10 while all the dialog (you know.. the parts we need to hear to be able to FOLLOW THE DAMN STORY) are virtually inaudible. The whole brick-wall compression thing isn't even just absurd or stale any more, it's reaching the point of fossilization, kinda like the use of an abandoned warehouse for the promotion of a music product.

Anyway, apart from all that and back to the OT, I absolutely agree. Dynamics in music (not just the mixing, but in the actual arrangements) are going the way of the Dodo, FAST.

13point9 · 06-04-2010, 10:35 AM

approximately by the time something is played on the radio from its initial recording, it is compressed between 5 and 8 times

also adverts are deliberately put louder to get peoples attention

MF_Kitten · 06-04-2010, 10:39 AM

it´s not really a separate issue, as it´s closely linked to the thread subject. looking away from the volume and compression, the fact of the matter is advertisements are stuffed to the brim with a constant feed of sound to keep it up, as if a second of less noise would ruin it and cut off your attention span.

it´s part of the exact same problem that is happening with music of all genres these days. the international attention span is shortening, as people get used to constant streams of information. the result? bands making music that work for their minds, with no space, no breathing room, nothing. it´s seen in visual designs as well, from clothes to ads to album covers to web design. no more space, just TRY TO PUSH EVERYTHING IN THERE!

i would argue that windows vista was a result of this as well, but that´s not really true

JohnIce · 06-04-2010, 10:52 AM

Remaining slightly off-topic, I came to think of this scene from "The Seventh Seal" by Ingmar Bergman. It's widely considered to be a cinematic masterpiece. But what is it that makes it good? It's the contrasts, the realism and the dialogue. A real life conversation isn't action-packed, soundtracked and scripted. It's quiet, it has pauses when you try to find the words, and it's often irrelevant to anyone else.

I'm sorry this one isn't subtitled, but you get the idea. Compare this to any high-profile movie today:

Soopahmahn · 06-04-2010, 10:52 AM

You guys are all just old pussies.

But no, I'm with you all here. I'm 26 and I feel that way. Even past just having dynamic contrast in the music (mf anyone?) songwriters seem to have forgotten how to perforate riffs with rests. Would it kill you to take more than an eighth-note rest once in a while?

And excellent observation on 2001.

ZOMB13 · 06-04-2010, 10:56 AM

I have wondered this too, some bands try to stuff as much as possible into a 3 minute song hoping it sounds good..

My band's new material has some open spaces that texture that song into different grooves and breaks, really good to play live.

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06-04-2010, 03:52 AM	#1
matty2fatty ss.org Regular Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Halifax Posts: 627 Thanked: 13 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Why don't new bands leave any 'space' in their music? I'm about halfway through the Pantera live album, and realized that there's very few newer metal bands that leave any space in their music anymore. Vinnie didn't overwhelm songs with 180mph blast beats, the songs all had grooves, and they were memorable. I could put this shit on 20 years from now and still know every piece of every song. And, they had awesome breakdowns before it was a dirty word. This is probably just me turning old, but after listening to nonstop craziness for the last little while it was cool to hear things air out a bit, if you know what I mean. And yes, I realize a lot of board members here don't dig Pantera, but they're just an example. Thoughts? I'd have to say shredding is more than just soloing... Its taking that axe and making it your bitch - Sniper Johnny

06-04-2010, 04:10 AM	#2
signalgrey Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 3,535 Thanked: 26 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i agree. alot of the metal people talk about on here i just cant get into cause its on 10 the whole time. Of course there are songs where its supposed to be on 10 the whole time. shit there are albums where its ok to be 10 the whole time. BUT...i like having a song that takes a step back http://www.purevolume.com/citizenlusca http://www.citizenlusca.com

06-04-2010, 04:22 AM	#3
B36arin ss.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Arvika, Sweden Posts: 646 Thanked: 2 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I totally agree with both of you. OK, some music is supposed to be brutal the entire time. But personally I really enjoy dynamics in music. A death metal album that has the same intensity all the time and is compressed to -5dB RMS just doesn't interest me most of the time. Bear in mind that I'm a huge death metal fan. I'm also a believer that without softer parts, heavier parts don't have the same impact. My band Hamferð on myspace and facebook! Go check it out!

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06-04-2010, 04:33 AM	#5
SchecterWhore Theory God Join Date: May 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,185 Thanked: 67 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Contrast makes a better impression, I think. Really simple differences of texture within a song gives it a more complex character. For example: 2:53 comes out of nowhere, and is ....ing awesome. That said, I think that some people have an idea and either don't develop upon it as a result of focusing too much on that single idea, or exploit that idea to be the most br00tul, or whatever. I don't know if this makes sense, I'm a bit drunk. Skype theory lessons. PM me.

06-04-2010, 04:40 AM	#6
Bloody_Inferno Silence is Violence Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 12,057 Thanked: 244 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Maybe the attention span of the young is getting smaller? In all seriousness, yeah, I somewhat agree that dynamics are often neglected in many of the new bands nowadays. Not pointing the finger, but I do notice this with the new metal bands I've seen playing around of late. It's a timeless creed that dynamics really do seperate the men from the boys. It's a very important aspect in songwriting. I don't care what kind of music anyone listens to, this applies to every kind of music. It's almost similar to a conversation, or when one presents himself. Sometimes you need some time to breath and not talk and be the centre of attention all the time. That kind of space or silence really does create tension that makes songs great, more compelling and memorable. http://www.cracked.com/article_15231_7-reasons-21st-century-making-you-miserable.html http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-harsh-...better-person/ http://www.cracked.com/article_18817_5-reasons-future-will-be-ruled-by-b.s..html http://www.cracked.com/article_15663_10-things-christians-atheists-can-must-agree-on.html http://www.cracked.com/article_14990...keysphere.html http://www.cracked.com/article_19468...you-think.html

06-04-2010, 04:52 AM	#7
matty2fatty ss.org Regular Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Halifax Posts: 627 Thanked: 13 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You're right on the money with Death, that's what I thought of as soon as I made this thread, and I was also a bit drunk, so I think we're on the same wavelength, haha. When I'm drinking I always go for the simpler stuff, can't handle Beneath the Massacre when I'm 12 drinks in, it's gotta groove I'd have to say shredding is more than just soloing... Its taking that axe and making it your bitch - Sniper Johnny

06-04-2010, 05:19 AM	#9
hypermagic Fusion Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 899 Thanked: 10 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Despite being the mathcore whore of this board I agree that songwriting and space/pacing take precedent over RRRRAAAHHHHH

06-04-2010, 05:32 AM	#10
Variant Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: All-white-tukee, Arizona Posts: 5,657 Thanked: 82 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I wholeheartedly agree with the OP. Even SYL's most raging albums ('City' and 'Alien') dip down on to ambiance and/or groove to a great effect. Timed right, it can really pump up the heaviness of an album instead of bringing it down.

06-04-2010, 05:40 AM	#11
MF_Kitten Fully Ramblomatic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 8,984 Thanked: 298 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	this is something that pisses me off too, actually. contrast and context is what makes something really hit you hard! it pisses me off about dynamics and the volume war too, since quiet parts followed by really heavy parts are the same volume, and it loses all punch. hell, i accidentally had that happen in my latest song, and i´m going to go back and fix it, because it just doesn´t do it´s job! meshuggah are awesome about this. they go balls out for a good while, but there´s always relief and release in their albums. i love Tesseract´s sense of dynamics. Acle is a genious when it comes to these things, both sound-wise and musically! -------------------------------------- What will metal be doing in ten years? What ever Meshuggah will be doing in two. -Anthony

06-04-2010, 05:44 AM	#12
13point9 Now with Less Hair! Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: London Posts: 1,874 Thanked: 66 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	imo having dynamic changes makes i band sound even heavier when they go to 10 rather than being at full blast all the time, and vice versa, if theyre going all out and suddenly drop out it has a large impact on the music... Soreption are very good at going very fast but the odd picking patterns and drums give it a real groove, and the stop start nature of it makes it more interesting to listen to "I won't be satisfied until somebody can whammy a whole piano." Pink Freud ".... that, I'd rather eat 20 pounds of steak and then prove how jacked I am by having angry sex with their mothers whilst curling 200 pounds and drinking ale." maliciousteve

06-04-2010, 08:01 AM	#14
ry_z Ikebana Noise Club Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,826 Thanked: 35 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Two great examples of 'space' being used to create tension, in very different contexts: at 4:10: And in a non-br00tals context, at 1:48, the break at 2:52, and again at 4:05: You bite at TVs, what do they taste like? Last.fm

06-04-2010, 08:04 AM	#15
Leon {##[====:::. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nebula, Ohio Posts: 12,586 Thanked: 91 Feedback Score: 20 reviews	It's just a different type of style. I vastly prefer Pantera to a lot of the newer bands out there for just that reason. But, if any of them want to solidify themselves, maybe they'll start to write better songs

06-04-2010, 08:14 AM	#16
JohnIce Rhinestone Cowboy Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 3,437 Thanked: 133 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I fully agree with the OP, and as a side note, I watched 2001: A Space Oddysey last night and the same thing struck me about movies: there is no silence/calm in modern movies. I think it's the attention span as mentioned, people these days expect to be showered with impressions when they put on a song or movie or read a magazine or whatever. I learned some very valuable stuff when recording with Björn Dixgård from Mando Diao. We had our songs arranged, rehearsed, we'd even gigged them a few times, and now we were going to record them. He immediately rearranged the songs from the ground up, NOTHING that I had planned to play made it onto the record. Because it was just too busy, it didn't contribute to the dynamics, and it didn't leave room. I learned that when everyone plays simple stuff together, the end result becomes much more dynamic, clear and just more listenable. Once you've got that down you can start adding some more interesting stuff, but keeping it simple is kind of a lost art today and the old saying "less is more" is actually spot-on a most of the time. Rhinestone - Funky hard rock on 7-strings!

06-04-2010, 09:49 AM	#17
ittoa666 /)'3'(\ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Chimaera SD Posts: 6,407 Thanked: 195 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The fact that many new bands can't do it is testament to their writing skills. Imo, it takes a very talented writer to add parts like that to a song and make them flow. Ride the wings of death! "Seriously... You DO NOT headbang with your knees" Murmel

06-04-2010, 10:07 AM	#18
MF_Kitten Fully Ramblomatic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 8,984 Thanked: 298 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	this is also why i hate advertisement. on both tv and radio it's just noise and constant sound pressure. silence has somehow turned into the naughtiest of evils or something. if there's a part without speech or content, they add sound effects and music, and it's all compressed to hell as well. there was an advertisement not too long ago where it was just a white screen with complete and utter silence for a moment, then just a quiet voice saying something like "it's good to have a break sometimes" or something, and whenever that advertisement hit, it was like those moments when the fridge suddenly stops humming. suddenly you go "whoah! what just happened?!" the same applies to music. like when a band has little pauses in the groove, only to jump back in with force. athmospheric parts that contrast the heavy parts so they kick really hard when they come back in, etc. most of the music i listen to has that quality. when it doesn't then that's the main idea of the music, and done on purpose to make it raging and fiery. and even then it's more dynamic than the fresh bandwagoners that pop up all the time with their indistinct samey sound... -------------------------------------- What will metal be doing in ten years? What ever Meshuggah will be doing in two. -Anthony

06-04-2010, 10:27 AM	#19
pink freud SS.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,402 Thanked: 54 $pink freud is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $pink freud is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $pink freud is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $pink freud is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $pink freud is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $pink freud is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $pink freud is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It is indeed this (my) generation's attention span. When talking to people my age about Opeth, if they don't like the band their number one excuse is "Opeth is boring." Last.FM: http://www.last.fm/user/pinkfreudHC

06-04-2010, 10:35 AM	#21
13point9 Now with Less Hair! Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: London Posts: 1,874 Thanked: 66 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	approximately by the time something is played on the radio from its initial recording, it is compressed between 5 and 8 times also adverts are deliberately put louder to get peoples attention "I won't be satisfied until somebody can whammy a whole piano." Pink Freud ".... that, I'd rather eat 20 pounds of steak and then prove how jacked I am by having angry sex with their mothers whilst curling 200 pounds and drinking ale." maliciousteve

06-04-2010, 10:39 AM	#22
MF_Kitten Fully Ramblomatic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 8,984 Thanked: 298 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	it´s not really a separate issue, as it´s closely linked to the thread subject. looking away from the volume and compression, the fact of the matter is advertisements are stuffed to the brim with a constant feed of sound to keep it up, as if a second of less noise would ruin it and cut off your attention span. it´s part of the exact same problem that is happening with music of all genres these days. the international attention span is shortening, as people get used to constant streams of information. the result? bands making music that work for their minds, with no space, no breathing room, nothing. it´s seen in visual designs as well, from clothes to ads to album covers to web design. no more space, just TRY TO PUSH EVERYTHING IN THERE! i would argue that windows vista was a result of this as well, but that´s not really true -------------------------------------- What will metal be doing in ten years? What ever Meshuggah will be doing in two. -Anthony

06-04-2010, 10:52 AM	#23
JohnIce Rhinestone Cowboy Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 3,437 Thanked: 133 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Remaining slightly off-topic, I came to think of this scene from "The Seventh Seal" by Ingmar Bergman. It's widely considered to be a cinematic masterpiece. But what is it that makes it good? It's the contrasts, the realism and the dialogue. A real life conversation isn't action-packed, soundtracked and scripted. It's quiet, it has pauses when you try to find the words, and it's often irrelevant to anyone else. I'm sorry this one isn't subtitled, but you get the idea. Compare this to any high-profile movie today: Rhinestone - Funky hard rock on 7-strings!

06-04-2010, 10:52 AM	#24
Soopahmahn Tu ne cede malis Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Philthydelphia Posts: 939 Thanked: 10 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	You guys are all just old pussies. But no, I'm with you all here. I'm 26 and I feel that way. Even past just having dynamic contrast in the music (mf anyone?) songwriters seem to have forgotten how to perforate riffs with rests. Would it kill you to take more than an eighth-note rest once in a while? And excellent observation on 2001. "Every system of ethics that preached sacrifice grew into a world power and ruled millions of men."

06-04-2010, 10:56 AM	#25
ZOMB13 SS.org Zombie ! Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 3,390 Thanked: 59 Feedback Score: 22 reviews	I have wondered this too, some bands try to stuff as much as possible into a 3 minute song hoping it sounds good.. My band's new material has some open spaces that texture that song into different grooves and breaks, really good to play live.

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