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ISP Decimator Pedal Review
Published by Rev2010
12-12-2005 |
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#2
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Rev2010
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12-12-2005, 03:16 PM
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#4
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thepunisher
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12-12-2005, 06:20 PM
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could you elaborate on why shannon?
im interested in a noise supressor |
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#5
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Shannon
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12-12-2005, 06:49 PM
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On the Boss NS-2 and Rocktron HUSH, I found it easier to dial in specific settings. Perhaps it's because of the 2 knobs (Threshold and Decay) vs. the Decimator's 1 knob. Beats me. |
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#6
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thepunisher
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12-12-2005, 06:56 PM
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a cut in volume is a bad thing.
out of the boss and rocketron, which did you prefere? and what are the setups(like was it in front of the amp or in the effects loop?) of them that you used? i cant decide if it would be better to have it in front of the amp or in the loop, or get two eventually for both. |
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#7
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Rev2010
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12-12-2005, 07:30 PM
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Secondly, you asked whether you should use it before the amp or in the effects loop. Two questions... are you using the amps distortion and is your amps effect loop serial or parallel? If it's parallel it would be useless in the loop. If you are using the amps gain channel and your loop is serial you definitely want to put it in the effects loop (at the end of the effect chain). *EDIT - I just played with it some more and I'd like to note just how much I really love this pedal. Originally I said that it doesn't clamp down instantly between palm mute stops. Apparently the unit does react instantly and does clamp down fast enough. I tried with other types of playing where I'd play then stop and quickly mute the strings and it did instantly stop. When palm muting I neglected the fact that the strings still have a residual vibration decay after muting the string and that quick decay is why the pedal doesn't instantly clamp down on the sound. Anyhow, I'm quite glad I bought the pedal. Even at really high volumes you can't even tell the amp is on. It does what it's supposed to and I put the pedal out of the main "effect stomping" area to avoid ever hitting the knob with my foot. I had a multipurpose adapter laying around which I use to power it so I just leave it hooking up. Maybe if I have time this week I'll post some clips if enough people request them ![]() Rev. |
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#8
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thepunisher
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12-12-2005, 08:14 PM
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rev, thank you for elaborating.
i would love sound clips by the way. im using the amps gain, although i got an od pedal and a wah(that noisy ....er) in front of the amp, the od is sometimes on. im hooking an eq pedal into the loop currently, to add a bit of wanted texture. as for the parallel/serial thing, im trying to get a hold of someone at home who has my instruction manual. the website doesnt say if it is or not. i did call isp awhile ago, they sugggested the pro rack g which is quite expensive, beyond my price range in fact. if you have used any other noise supressors/ gates, please tell me how they compare. and sorry for hijacking your thread, but comparing always seems useful. |
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#9
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thepunisher
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12-12-2005, 08:17 PM
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apparantly the manual doesnt say either, im gonna have to call about that one
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#10
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Rev2010
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12-14-2005, 09:16 AM
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OK, now I'm annoyed. So I noticed yesterday that when switching to the clean channel on my amp the decimator cuts the sound off and on. Apparently I didn't realize the pedal version suffers from this. In my reading the info on the Decimator products on their site I guess all the info just slushed together in my head and I thought it would be ok when switching to clean. Reading back up on their site I realize the ProRackG is the one that's touted to be able to handle both without resetting thresholds:
"Not only does the Decimator ProRackG deliver the most stunning noise reduction, it also solves the problem of needing to adjust the Threshold setting every time you change gain or switch channels. By using the input guitar signal to drive both channels' level detection circuitry, the ProRackG needs no other adjustments once the thresholds are set based on the guitar input. This will give you the correct threshold with clean, crunch and even monstrous amounts of gain and if you use pedals you can insert them in the loop between the output of the Decimator Channel 1 and the input of the guitar amplifier." So now I'm disappointed. Now everytime I switch to the clean channel I have to also shut off the Decimator. If I were to forget to shut off the Decimator before switching to clean live it would screw things up. Hmmm, man what to do what to do. I love the way it works on my gain channel damn!!!!! I can still return it but I simply don't want to dump $400 just yet for the rack version nor do I want to carry around a loose rack processor. Any other good options out there? I wonder if it would still do a good job at the front of the chain (right from the guitar to the pedal). I'll try that out tonight. I may just keep it anyway since it works so well getting rid of the noise.But... If anyone can suggest any really decent alternatives for no more than $200 please suggest away. Rev. |
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#11
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thepunisher
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12-15-2005, 10:19 AM
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shit man that changes everything
are there any pedals where this isnt a problem? |
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#13
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Rev2010
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12-16-2005, 09:17 AM
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Well, I'm pretty sure the NS-2 technology is what's built into the GT-8 and if it is the same I'll say that it works decently but doesn't react too fast. So when you stop playing it's not a super fast instant silencing. Secondly, I found it didn't get fully rid of all the noise like the Decimator does. Lastly at higher threshold settings (which is necessary for some reason) it does indeed take a bit of treble out of your high end. Why a noise gate would do this I have no idea but it does, trust me.
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#14
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thepunisher
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12-16-2005, 09:22 AM
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hmm, the boss doesnt sound too good.
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#15
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noodles
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12-16-2005, 09:56 AM
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#16
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Rev2010
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12-16-2005, 11:15 AM
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#17
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Jerich
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12-29-2005, 05:53 PM
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hey guys...as a long time ISP user and owner of both two pedals and one rack mounted version
... I found that there is always a give and take form Noise gates...they either Kill too much (shutting gate quickly) or let it slide (let too much go through)..I found that NS - didn't have the flexiblity that I wanted, The ISP does. I set my ISP to a Minimum of 20-25. ..I know it seems like not enuff but I run it both pre/effects loop of my Engl Powerball and I swere not a Noise from it. But once again..everyones ears are thier own and the need for Noise Killers are always per your type of music or tone desired. I looked for years for something worth a CRAP to kill Hiss etc...and found it more in ISP. the Pedal versions sound great on distortions But i must agree the cleans Loose something or it sounds Like PAC MAN eating a dot when it shuts down ...all I can say And I am sure i have said enough is I still have never been totally happy with any Noise suppressor of any type they all still need to be tweeked, just remeber to Ying/Yang and accept it...it will make us all feel better... None really work well ![]() |
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#18
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Rev2010
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12-29-2005, 06:02 PM
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#21
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Rev2010
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07-19-2006, 04:36 PM
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The ISP Decimator works best with amps that have a series loop. Most Mesa's by default have a parallel loop. I had my Triple Rec modified to a series loop using a mod directly from Mesa. I couldn't be happier. Now I just stick the ISP at the end of the effect chain that's in the effects loop and it keeps everything dead silent. And yes, it would help cut down on feedback, even more so at slightly higher settings. But with a parallel loop you can only use it in front of the amp, not in the loop, so it would probably still help a lot in that it would be gating your pickups but I can't say this with 100% certainty since I've never used it this way. Rev. |
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#22
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zimbloth
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07-20-2006, 12:17 PM
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Yeah I appreciate it, but it is too late
I've already purchased a Boss NS-2 and I use it in front of the amp, not in the loop yet, and I love it. Totally transparent and eliminated all the feedback. I did try a ISP Decimator pedal they had used at GC with a Recto head the same way and it did the job seemingly just as well if not better, the knobs were just way more sensitive than the Boss'. I haven't tried it in the loop yet, but if you check what DSS3 said in my review for the NS-2 in the Gear Review section, I may try running it that way when I get more cables. |
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#23
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Jerich
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07-21-2006, 05:24 PM
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i have reccomend this pedal the various guitar players with 50 50 decide on getting it...the boss has more of a taylored settings..but they do not work for cleans and distorts the same...the ISP has one setting set it for clean and dist and go..this too stinks at times...but putting either on in the loop is a great idea...i run an ISP decimator in the loop......of dist channel only..cleans and leads no ISP!!! it will kill the vol tone settings you wanna do on the fly....
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