Steinberger Gearless Tuners?

hufschmid · 03-14-2009, 07:34 AM

This is soooo tempting.....

Anybody out there using them?

Steinberger's unique "straight-through" tuner has no gears, and an astounding 40:1

tuning ratio for unparalleled accuracy. Straight string pull eliminates winding. The locking knob on top secures the string to prevent slippage. String installation is fast and easy, and the tuning action is impressively smooth. Set of 6, instructions included.

Steinberger Gearless Tuners at Stewart-MacDonald

caughtinamosh · 03-14-2009, 08:31 AM

Oh believe me Patrick, I was tempted... Satan was sitting on my shoulder.

BUT, there is no seven string option

. Stew Mac would not sell me an individual one either

.

AySay · 03-14-2009, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caughtinamosh

Oh believe me Patrick, I was tempted... Satan was sitting on my shoulder.

BUT, there is no seven string option

. Stew Mac would not sell me an individual one either

.

How about buying two sets and then selling the extra 5 to maybe a banjo player?

caughtinamosh · 03-14-2009, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AySay

How about buying two sets and then selling the extra 5 to maybe a banjo player?

Banjo players are swine... I have no desire to have any dealings with them

. In the end I ended up settling with Hipshot locking tuners... Patrick likes these too, I believe

.

darren · 03-14-2009, 08:55 AM

I'd love to try these, but at US$100 for a set of six, they're among the most expensive tuners out there.

One big advantage, though, is you can place them in optimal locations on the headstock for straight string pull, and design the shape of the headstock however you want, because they don't have to follow the edge of the headstock the way regular tuners do.

caughtinamosh · 03-14-2009, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darren

One big advantage, though, is you can place them in optimal locations on the headstock for straight string pull, and design the shape of the headstock however you want, because they don't have to follow the edge of the headstock the way regular tuners do.

A great point... I believe the guitar would look better without the tuning pegs as well... Do you think Steinberger would sell me one individually? Anyone?

ShadyDavey · 03-14-2009, 09:01 AM

Are these chappies the development of the tuners on the GS?

Does open up some interesting options for designs in either case....*has a ponder*....

Quote:

Originally Posted by caughtinamosh

A great point... I believe the guitar would look better without the tuning pegs as well... Do you think Steinberger would sell me one individually? Anyone?

You could email them to find out amigo - definately worth a try.

sevenstringj · 03-14-2009, 09:18 AM

Apparently you need to solder plain strings at the insertion point for stable tuning. That plus the 40:1 ratio, sounds like stringing up would be an unnecessary PITA.

And now that Sperzel is essentially a custom shop, you can get pretty much anything you want from them, even sets of 7 and 8, sealed or open back, locking, semi-locking, non-locking, a variety of metal and plastic buttons, and all sorts of different colors. I've never had any tuning accuracy problems with the 12:1 ratio.

ShadyDavey · 03-14-2009, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sevenstringj

Apparently you need to solder plain strings at the insertion point for stable tuning. That plus the 40:1 ratio, sounds like stringing up would be an unnecessary PITA.

Ugh, didn't see that bit

caughtinamosh · 03-14-2009, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sevenstringj

Apparently you need to solder plain strings at the insertion point for stable tuning. That plus the 40:1 ratio, sounds like stringing up would be an unnecessary PITA.

And now that Sperzel is essentially a custom shop, you can get pretty much anything you want from them, even sets of 7 and 8, sealed or open back, locking, semi-locking, non-locking, a variety of metal and plastic buttons, and all sorts of different colors. I've never had any tuning accuracy problems with the 12:1 ratio.

WUT??? Where did you hear THAT? Soldering the strings?

As for the Sperzel tuning machines... Yeah, they can do a tonne of different stuff, folks. I believe Elysian can order them for you for a lower price.

sevenstringj · 03-14-2009, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caughtinamosh

WUT??? Where did you hear THAT? Soldering the strings?

http://www.steinberger.com/images/gearlessuse.pdf

ugmung · 03-14-2009, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sevenstringj

http://www.steinberger.com/images/gearlessuse.pdf

yes, i was looking at these and was very interested, but couldn't figure them out at the time so i was like f*ck it.

the manuel says it can be done, but i doesn't have to. but then again...i've never heard of a silk twist?

darren · 03-14-2009, 09:56 AM

They're talking about "at the twist" which i assume means where the string is twisted around at the ball end. I had to solder my plain strings at the ball end when i used a Kahler, or they would break there.

I believe this gearless tuner PDF was an excerpt from a Steinberger guitar manual (maybe for the Scepter?) where they're talking about soldering the strings for use with a Steinberger trem.

ugmung · 03-14-2009, 10:10 AM

i know what the twist part meant, just not the silk part.

that could very well be true, but i've never seen a steinberger with these tuners.

darren · 03-14-2009, 10:21 AM

They only made one model with a headstock:

They're pretty rare. That's probably why you've never seen one.

Gibson uses these tuners on the Epiphone Firebird Studio... as far as i know, that's the only other production guitar to use them. And i'd be surprised if Gibson recommended soldering the strings at the twist on a fixed bridge guitar. I'm pretty sure it's just a trem thing.

hufschmid · 03-14-2009, 11:13 AM

Stewmac are great guys no doubt, but sometimes are so conservative...

I wrote them a mail about if they could consider building less deeper truss rods... The reply: ''sorry we dont do custom work''

I would believe that the extended range guitars opens a new market to them right? So WTF?

I'm going to try and see what I can do about those tuners because I really want to give them a try, I mean the looks of a headstock without pegs would be ....ing awesome!

And yeah those are brutally expensive tuners also.....

Tell me if i'm right or wrong but I have seen something identical from Schaller one day? Or maybe I was breathing to much mahogany

hufschmid · 03-14-2009, 11:28 AM

I was wrong.....

I found the tuners I was talking about but its actually not the same thing at all.........

Check this...

Its actually a button option... Tuners are regular Schaller's

ShadyDavey · 03-14-2009, 12:38 PM

Ah, the GS as I thought

I just spoke to a luthier who's college instructor used these tuners on his daughters guitar and didn't solder the strings - they're fine unless you do use a Steinberger trem.

darren · 03-14-2009, 12:39 PM

I've always liked those LSR-style barrel knobs when Yamaha has used them... are they available for ordering somewhere?

darren · 03-14-2009, 12:39 PM

Oh, also worth noting is that the maximum string size you can put through the Steinberger tuners is a .060.

hufschmid · 03-14-2009, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darren

I've always liked those LSR-style barrel knobs when Yamaha has used them... are they available for ordering somewhere?

I think you can order them directly from Schaller...

I bought the hannes bridge directly from there aswell....

Schaller Electronic | All Schaller products

Off Topic but.... pics from schallers website....

ShadyDavey · 03-14-2009, 01:18 PM

Oooo o.0

Thats lovely! *adds to shopping list*

darren · 03-14-2009, 03:42 PM

Yeah, i would LOVE that bridge in a seven-string version.

caughtinamosh · 03-14-2009, 03:50 PM

Ci, it looks to be very comfortable. Almost like "fixed" Floyd Rose would be, minus the fine tuners. Om nom nom.

hufschmid · 04-08-2009, 12:24 PM

Ok so I just ordered today a set of black 40:1 gear ratio steinberger tuners because i have to test them out otherwise i may never sleep properly again

And I will probably receive them this up comming friday

I will post pics when installed

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03-14-2009, 07:34 AM	#1
hufschmid Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: switzerland Posts: 9,088 Thanked: 284 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Steinberger Gearless Tuners? This is soooo tempting..... Anybody out there using them? Steinberger's unique "straight-through" tuner has no gears, and an astounding 40:1 tuning ratio for unparalleled accuracy. Straight string pull eliminates winding. The locking knob on top secures the string to prevent slippage. String installation is fast and easy, and the tuning action is impressively smooth. Set of 6, instructions included. Steinberger Gearless Tuners at Stewart-MacDonald

03-14-2009, 08:31 AM	#2
caughtinamosh Linguist Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,775 Thanked: 55 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Oh believe me Patrick, I was tempted... Satan was sitting on my shoulder. BUT, there is no seven string option . Stew Mac would not sell me an individual one either . Find me under the same username on www.metalguitarist.org

03-14-2009, 08:55 AM	#5
darren Decibel Guitars Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Greater Toronto Area, Canada Posts: 11,472 Thanked: 75 Feedback Score: 9 reviews	I'd love to try these, but at US$100 for a set of six, they're among the most expensive tuners out there. One big advantage, though, is you can place them in optimal locations on the headstock for straight string pull, and design the shape of the headstock however you want, because they don't have to follow the edge of the headstock the way regular tuners do. web \| facebook \| twitter

03-14-2009, 09:56 AM	#13
darren Decibel Guitars Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Greater Toronto Area, Canada Posts: 11,472 Thanked: 75 Feedback Score: 9 reviews	They're talking about "at the twist" which i assume means where the string is twisted around at the ball end. I had to solder my plain strings at the ball end when i used a Kahler, or they would break there. I believe this gearless tuner PDF was an excerpt from a Steinberger guitar manual (maybe for the Scepter?) where they're talking about soldering the strings for use with a Steinberger trem. web \| facebook \| twitter

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03-14-2009, 09:18 AM	#8
sevenstringj Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: ny Posts: 2,382 Thanked: 46 Feedback Score: 22 reviews	Apparently you need to solder plain strings at the insertion point for stable tuning. That plus the 40:1 ratio, sounds like stringing up would be an unnecessary PITA. And now that Sperzel is essentially a custom shop, you can get pretty much anything you want from them, even sets of 7 and 8, sealed or open back, locking, semi-locking, non-locking, a variety of metal and plastic buttons, and all sorts of different colors. I've never had any tuning accuracy problems with the 12:1 ratio.

03-14-2009, 10:10 AM	#14
ugmung Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: WPB, FL Posts: 715 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i know what the twist part meant, just not the silk part. that could very well be true, but i've never seen a steinberger with these tuners.

03-14-2009, 10:21 AM	#15
darren Decibel Guitars Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Greater Toronto Area, Canada Posts: 11,472 Thanked: 75 Feedback Score: 9 reviews	They only made one model with a headstock: They're pretty rare. That's probably why you've never seen one. Gibson uses these tuners on the Epiphone Firebird Studio... as far as i know, that's the only other production guitar to use them. And i'd be surprised if Gibson recommended soldering the strings at the twist on a fixed bridge guitar. I'm pretty sure it's just a trem thing. web \| facebook \| twitter

03-14-2009, 11:13 AM	#16
hufschmid Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: switzerland Posts: 9,088 Thanked: 284 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Stewmac are great guys no doubt, but sometimes are so conservative... I wrote them a mail about if they could consider building less deeper truss rods... The reply: ''sorry we dont do custom work'' I would believe that the extended range guitars opens a new market to them right? So WTF? I'm going to try and see what I can do about those tuners because I really want to give them a try, I mean the looks of a headstock without pegs would be ....ing awesome! And yeah those are brutally expensive tuners also..... Tell me if i'm right or wrong but I have seen something identical from Schaller one day? Or maybe I was breathing to much mahogany

03-14-2009, 11:28 AM	#17
hufschmid Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: switzerland Posts: 9,088 Thanked: 284 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I was wrong..... I found the tuners I was talking about but its actually not the same thing at all......... Check this... Its actually a button option... Tuners are regular Schaller's

03-14-2009, 12:38 PM	#18
ShadyDavey 7ibrarian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Peterborough, UK Posts: 6,581 Thanked: 104 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Ah, the GS as I thought I just spoke to a luthier who's college instructor used these tuners on his daughters guitar and didn't solder the strings - they're fine unless you do use a Steinberger trem. While raping a bear in Yellowstone and snorting coke out of a freshly-dead baby's skull, I finally felt that I had found my calling and built a time machine out of Iraqi WMDs and LOTS OF HEMP WHOA. Using this time machine I went back in time and shot JFK from outer ....ing space. I am now your god - Jeff .....and then all of a sudden he drops the musical equivilant of a steaming turd right in our laps - ESP Griffyn

03-14-2009, 12:39 PM	#19
darren Decibel Guitars Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Greater Toronto Area, Canada Posts: 11,472 Thanked: 75 Feedback Score: 9 reviews	I've always liked those LSR-style barrel knobs when Yamaha has used them... are they available for ordering somewhere? web \| facebook \| twitter

03-14-2009, 01:18 PM	#22
ShadyDavey 7ibrarian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Peterborough, UK Posts: 6,581 Thanked: 104 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Oooo o.0 Thats lovely! adds to shopping list While raping a bear in Yellowstone and snorting coke out of a freshly-dead baby's skull, I finally felt that I had found my calling and built a time machine out of Iraqi WMDs and LOTS OF HEMP WHOA. Using this time machine I went back in time and shot JFK from outer ....ing space. I am now your god - Jeff .....and then all of a sudden he drops the musical equivilant of a steaming turd right in our laps - ESP Griffyn

03-14-2009, 03:42 PM	#23
darren Decibel Guitars Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Greater Toronto Area, Canada Posts: 11,472 Thanked: 75 Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Yeah, i would LOVE that bridge in a seven-string version. web \| facebook \| twitter

03-14-2009, 03:50 PM	#24
caughtinamosh Linguist Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,775 Thanked: 55 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Ci, it looks to be very comfortable. Almost like "fixed" Floyd Rose would be, minus the fine tuners. Om nom nom. Find me under the same username on www.metalguitarist.org

04-08-2009, 12:24 PM	#25
hufschmid Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: switzerland Posts: 9,088 Thanked: 284 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Ok so I just ordered today a set of black 40:1 gear ratio steinberger tuners because i have to test them out otherwise i may never sleep properly again And I will probably receive them this up comming friday I will post pics when installed

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