The POD recording tips, tricks, and eq-ing thread - Page 13

silverthesky · 09-08-2009, 02:45 PM

how many people here are using DI boxes? ive never tryed this yet would be nice to hear what the word is on that.

Mattayus · 09-09-2009, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mnemonic

i usually do that with the big bottom amp (or keep the treble low, like between 20% and 30%, but lately i've gained a fancy for the 5150 model. which is strange cos i've always thought it was shit before. i love finding a certain combo of settings that just sounds great.

Check out my 5150 patch man, might be a place to start

Sevenstring.org - Patch Library - Mattayus' 5150 Patch

If you want it to have more "grit" then change the mic to on axis. It works well with a blend of on axis on the right, off axis on the left.

Triple7 · 09-09-2009, 08:16 AM

Seeing as how I have a Pod Studio ux2 instead of a Pod X3 or XT, can I still get these patches? I actually still have to download the FX Junkie, and Metal Shop packs.

silverthesky · 09-09-2009, 10:32 PM

the fx junkie comes with the ux. or it dose now.

dose anybody know how much it is for an upgrade to platinum? cos i know u can up grade instead of out right buying the whole package

satchfrk · 09-13-2009, 07:36 PM

Oh my god I think I've finally learnt the trick to dialing in good high gain patches on the POD X3. And the thing that made all the difference to this process is me buying studio monitors. I got a pair of Yamaha HS50's and LOVE them

I can upload the patches I made this weekend if someone is interested.
Cheers.

feeleuphoria · 09-14-2009, 01:43 PM

I'm interested! always looking for new tones

satchfrk · 09-15-2009, 12:29 PM

Send big files the easy way. Files too large for email attachments? No problem!

There you go!

Mattayus · 09-17-2009, 02:33 PM

Does anybody know how to wipe the pod xt? I've sold mine, want to restore it to factory setting for the new owner, not sure how to do it

Mattayus · 09-17-2009, 04:39 PM

Nevermind, done it!

feeleuphoria · 09-17-2009, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by satchfrk

Send big files the easy way. Files too large for email attachments? No problem!

There you go!

thanks man, they sound good!

Sliggy · 09-26-2009, 11:29 AM

hey dudes. does anyone here use the pod in conjunction with a presonus firepod? if so, what settings are your levels at? atm my output on pod is at 12:00, channels 1 and 2 (where my pod is plugged in) on the firepod are at about 10:00 and the main output on my firepod is at about 2:00. it must be the wrong way to do it though because my shit starts clipping long before it gets to the volume of.. say bulb recordings.

anyone care to share their settings volume/amp wise?

mnemonic · 09-26-2009, 06:49 PM

bulb uses alot of compression to get his mixes as loud as they are (very loud) so you'll need some tricky compression work to get them that loud without clipping/pumping/generally sounding bad.

Sliggy · 09-27-2009, 02:43 AM

i see, thanks

Harry · 09-27-2009, 02:56 AM

One thing about the uber compression, it can work well with some styles of music, but if play stuff with more dynamics (variations in volume) then don't use that much limiting.
There is still plenty of professional recordings not even as loud as Bulb's stuff, so I wouldn't worry so much if I couldn't get to that volume without clipping.
I seriously doubt anyone is going to say "Oh man, this isn't mastered loud enough" about your music

Sliggy · 09-27-2009, 04:08 PM

haha yeah I wasn't overly concerned about that, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't poor optimization or anything like that, but just an everyday occurrence.

+ bulb is king so I can't feel too bad about my mixes not being of his quality yet

shanejohnson02 · 09-29-2009, 09:38 AM

Here's my personal POD X3 Pro setup:

I use the Diezel Herbert model through the Mesa 4x12 cab model. To my ears, that amp gets the best mix between harmonic richness and low-end thunk. I add a *slight* bit of room reverb at the POD to make it sound less artificial, and to let the sound breathe a little.

Until recently, I copied the same settings to Tone 1 and Tone 2, and panned the outputs hard L/R. To separate it in stereo, I would use a 57 on-axis on the L channel and a 57 off-axis on the R. That worked fairly well for most things. If I wanted it even fatter, I would double-track the guitars and swap the L/R tracks on the second take.

These days, I like a much less "cluttered" sound. I simply record a single take, panned straight up the center. If I want the guitar to be "stereo-ized", I simply copy the track, pan them hard L/R, and apply between 5 and 10ms of delay (depending on how wide I want it) to the R track. For lead sounds, I do the same thing but use a stereo track (since I'm a fan of stereo delays). It still sounds mono-esque until you apply the 5-10ms though.

I just recently got into re-amping. Now I basically repeat the process above, except instead of copy-pasting the original track, I re-amp it. The original track is hard L and the re-amped is hard R with a 5-10ms delay. This creates less phasing problems and gets an overall thicker sound.

The final secret I use to recording the POD is to get away from the USB setup as soon as possible. A lot of the "fizz" I've found comes from using the USB outputs. When I run the POD into a proper interface (M-Audio Delta 1010 in my case) it sounds leaps and bounds better.

To record bass, I use the Big 360 setting through a 1x15 cab. Bass for me is *always* mono, straight up the middle.

Now if only I could get my vocals to sound decent...

Triple7 · 09-29-2009, 12:57 PM

When you say pan hard L/R, does that mean all the way to the left and all the way to the right?

shanejohnson02 · 09-29-2009, 01:25 PM

Yep. I know most pros frown on hard L/R pans, but I love the way they sound. At the minimum, I'll do a 60% L/R spread when I want stereo sounds.

alex103188 · 10-24-2009, 01:56 AM

most frown upon it? Interesting. I'm self taught in the whole recording thing but I learned very quickly that the guitars sit best in the mix when panned hard to allow the drums come up the center.

damigu · 10-24-2009, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex103188

most frown upon it? Interesting. I'm self taught in the whole recording thing but I learned very quickly that the guitars sit best in the mix when panned hard to allow the drums come up the center.

pro recordings generally don't have anything panned hard in any direction.

but everyone self-taught pans hard because it's the easiest way to make more "central channel" type things (drums, bass, lead guitar work) be more present.

a good general rule to work with is that everything in your mix should be present and sound decent regardless of what is panned where. if you can achieve that, then you won't have to rely on tricks (like hard panning) just to make things listenable.

VettaUser · 10-24-2009, 03:45 PM

What IS the usual "professional" panning technique? Guitars 80/80?

mnemonic · 10-25-2009, 01:22 PM

i used to go 80/80 back when i first started recording, but it sounds way more open and bigger if i go 100/100. only downside i see is that i have to play tighter, because discrepancies between tracks is more noticeable when panning hard, but thats not really bad anyway, cos it just forces you to be better at playing.

machinica_band · 10-29-2009, 01:44 PM

I was wondering, what is a better way to hook up the Toneport UX8. I have it hooked up USB right now but would it perform/sound better hooked up through S/PDIF?

damigu · 10-29-2009, 07:35 PM

the sound on the USB bus and the SPDIF should be identical. both are digitally transmitted.

you'll have a higher latency on the USB than the SPDIF because the USB connection itself has additional latency beyond just the miniscule processing latency. that's the only real difference as far as recording/sounding goes.

machinica_band · 10-29-2009, 11:35 PM

thanx. It shouldn't really make to much of a difference then when I set it up.

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09-09-2009, 08:16 AM	#303
Triple7 The Decepticon Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Yorktown,NY Posts: 3,094 Thanked: 43 Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Seeing as how I have a Pod Studio ux2 instead of a Pod X3 or XT, can I still get these patches? I actually still have to download the FX Junkie, and Metal Shop packs. https://soundcloud.com/brianharrigan

09-17-2009, 02:33 PM	#308
Mattayus Sir Groove-A-Lot Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire, UK Posts: 5,351 Thanked: 211 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Does anybody know how to wipe the pod xt? I've sold mine, want to restore it to factory setting for the new owner, not sure how to do it *"The sort of twee person who thinks swearing is in any way a sign of a lack of education or of a lack of verbal interest is just a ....ing lunatic"* - Stephen Fry Recording. Mixing. Mastering. ReAmping. Editing

09-17-2009, 04:39 PM	#309
Mattayus Sir Groove-A-Lot Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire, UK Posts: 5,351 Thanked: 211 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Nevermind, done it! *"The sort of twee person who thinks swearing is in any way a sign of a lack of education or of a lack of verbal interest is just a ....ing lunatic"* - Stephen Fry Recording. Mixing. Mastering. ReAmping. Editing

09-26-2009, 06:49 PM	#312
mnemonic Custom User Title Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 1,414 Thanked: 10 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	bulb uses alot of compression to get his mixes as loud as they are (very loud) so you'll need some tricky compression work to get them that loud without clipping/pumping/generally sounding bad. http://www.soundclick.com/snowdonia

09-08-2009, 02:45 PM	#301
silverthesky ss.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: ontario, canada Posts: 15 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	how many people here are using DI boxes? ive never tryed this yet would be nice to hear what the word is on that.

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09-09-2009, 10:32 PM	#304
silverthesky ss.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: ontario, canada Posts: 15 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the fx junkie comes with the ux. or it dose now. dose anybody know how much it is for an upgrade to platinum? cos i know u can up grade instead of out right buying the whole package

09-13-2009, 07:36 PM	#305
satchfrk SS.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Jose Posts: 150 Thanked: 2 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Oh my god I think I've finally learnt the trick to dialing in good high gain patches on the POD X3. And the thing that made all the difference to this process is me buying studio monitors. I got a pair of Yamaha HS50's and LOVE them I can upload the patches I made this weekend if someone is interested. Cheers.

09-14-2009, 01:43 PM	#306
feeleuphoria The Prog Metal Whore Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Prog Posts: 411 Thanked: 17 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm interested! always looking for new tones

09-15-2009, 12:29 PM	#307
satchfrk SS.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Jose Posts: 150 Thanked: 2 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Send big files the easy way. Files too large for email attachments? No problem! There you go!

09-26-2009, 11:29 AM	#311
Sliggy ss.org Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 410 Thanked: 51 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hey dudes. does anyone here use the pod in conjunction with a presonus firepod? if so, what settings are your levels at? atm my output on pod is at 12:00, channels 1 and 2 (where my pod is plugged in) on the firepod are at about 10:00 and the main output on my firepod is at about 2:00. it must be the wrong way to do it though because my shit starts clipping long before it gets to the volume of.. say bulb recordings. anyone care to share their settings volume/amp wise?

09-27-2009, 02:43 AM	#313
Sliggy ss.org Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 410 Thanked: 51 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i see, thanks

09-27-2009, 02:56 AM	#314
Harry Doom man of Doom. Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Greater Melbourne metropolitan area, Australia Posts: 8,246 Thanked: 59 $Harry is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Harry is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Harry is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Harry is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Harry is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Harry is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Harry is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 4 reviews	One thing about the uber compression, it can work well with some styles of music, but if play stuff with more dynamics (variations in volume) then don't use that much limiting. There is still plenty of professional recordings not even as loud as Bulb's stuff, so I wouldn't worry so much if I couldn't get to that volume without clipping. I seriously doubt anyone is going to say "Oh man, this isn't mastered loud enough" about your music

09-27-2009, 04:08 PM	#315
Sliggy ss.org Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 410 Thanked: 51 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	haha yeah I wasn't overly concerned about that, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't poor optimization or anything like that, but just an everyday occurrence. + bulb is king so I can't feel too bad about my mixes not being of his quality yet

09-29-2009, 09:38 AM	#316
shanejohnson02 Hammer of the Gods Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Texarkana, TX Posts: 514 Thanked: 11 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Here's my personal POD X3 Pro setup: I use the Diezel Herbert model through the Mesa 4x12 cab model. To my ears, that amp gets the best mix between harmonic richness and low-end thunk. I add a slight bit of room reverb at the POD to make it sound less artificial, and to let the sound breathe a little. Until recently, I copied the same settings to Tone 1 and Tone 2, and panned the outputs hard L/R. To separate it in stereo, I would use a 57 on-axis on the L channel and a 57 off-axis on the R. That worked fairly well for most things. If I wanted it even fatter, I would double-track the guitars and swap the L/R tracks on the second take. These days, I like a much less "cluttered" sound. I simply record a single take, panned straight up the center. If I want the guitar to be "stereo-ized", I simply copy the track, pan them hard L/R, and apply between 5 and 10ms of delay (depending on how wide I want it) to the R track. For lead sounds, I do the same thing but use a stereo track (since I'm a fan of stereo delays). It still sounds mono-esque until you apply the 5-10ms though. I just recently got into re-amping. Now I basically repeat the process above, except instead of copy-pasting the original track, I re-amp it. The original track is hard L and the re-amped is hard R with a 5-10ms delay. This creates less phasing problems and gets an overall thicker sound. The final secret I use to recording the POD is to get away from the USB setup as soon as possible. A lot of the "fizz" I've found comes from using the USB outputs. When I run the POD into a proper interface (M-Audio Delta 1010 in my case) it sounds leaps and bounds better. To record bass, I use the Big 360 setting through a 1x15 cab. Bass for me is always mono, straight up the middle. Now if only I could get my vocals to sound decent...

09-29-2009, 12:57 PM	#317
Triple7 The Decepticon Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Yorktown,NY Posts: 3,094 Thanked: 43 Feedback Score: 6 reviews	When you say pan hard L/R, does that mean all the way to the left and all the way to the right? https://soundcloud.com/brianharrigan

09-29-2009, 01:25 PM	#318
shanejohnson02 Hammer of the Gods Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Texarkana, TX Posts: 514 Thanked: 11 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yep. I know most pros frown on hard L/R pans, but I love the way they sound. At the minimum, I'll do a 60% L/R spread when I want stereo sounds.

10-24-2009, 01:56 AM	#319
alex103188 SS.org Regular Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 244 Thanked: 5 Feedback Score: 6 reviews	most frown upon it? Interesting. I'm self taught in the whole recording thing but I learned very quickly that the guitars sit best in the mix when panned hard to allow the drums come up the center.

10-24-2009, 03:45 PM	#321
VettaUser ss.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Over thar Posts: 40 Thanked: 2 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What IS the usual "professional" panning technique? Guitars 80/80?

10-25-2009, 01:22 PM	#322
mnemonic Custom User Title Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 1,414 Thanked: 10 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	i used to go 80/80 back when i first started recording, but it sounds way more open and bigger if i go 100/100. only downside i see is that i have to play tighter, because discrepancies between tracks is more noticeable when panning hard, but thats not really bad anyway, cos it just forces you to be better at playing. http://www.soundclick.com/snowdonia

10-29-2009, 01:44 PM	#323
machinica_band ss.org Regular Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Lakewood, WA Posts: 65 Thanked: 2 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I was wondering, what is a better way to hook up the Toneport UX8. I have it hooked up USB right now but would it perform/sound better hooked up through S/PDIF?

10-29-2009, 07:35 PM	#324
damigu stay tuned Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 2,440 Thanked: 11 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the sound on the USB bus and the SPDIF should be identical. both are digitally transmitted. you'll have a higher latency on the USB than the SPDIF because the USB connection itself has additional latency beyond just the miniscule processing latency. that's the only real difference as far as recording/sounding goes.

10-29-2009, 11:35 PM	#325
machinica_band ss.org Regular Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Lakewood, WA Posts: 65 Thanked: 2 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thanx. It shouldn't really make to much of a difference then when I set it up.

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