ENGL Shootdown: Where YOU help me pick my next amp!

itsallinmyh3ad · 03-30-2008, 02:16 AM

So...this is continuation of a past thread. I'm selling my 6505+ because I need a clean channel, I can't crank it enough at my apartment because my neighbors are sons of bitches, and I'm not playing in a band right now. Anyway, I'm looking for versatility. I want something that I could play in a cover band, but I could also use in a metal-band situation.

I'm mainly looking at these three:

-Screamer 50: It's 50w, which is convenient for me because of the volume issues. It's the cheapest of the bunch, and still I've seen a lot of youtube vid's where them amp shines on everything...EXCEPT there's not a lot of videos demoing the amps high gain capability.

-Fireball: 60w, which are also good for my apartment situation. High gain sounds fabulous, but I don't see much versatility on this one.

-Blackmore: The most expensive of these three. 100w, which I'm kinda thinking is too much for my apartment. I also wouldn't be able to buy a cab for sometime, but all the videos I've seen of this amp are just incredible. It looks pretty awesome also.

So...Which one would YOU choose if you were in my shoes?

Lankles · 03-30-2008, 05:28 AM

All those amps will be way too loud for an apartment situation. Get the blackmore.

Battousai · 03-30-2008, 05:40 AM

you could always kill your neighbours and get yourself an invader...

is there any way where you can rent a practice space or something ?

over here bands rent out garages and soundproof em for practice..

Slayer89 · 03-30-2008, 05:50 AM

From my experience, with an all tube amp the volume difference between 50 and 100 watts isn't going to make much of a difference. I went from a 50 watt head to a 120 watt head, and both get really loud really fast. That said, ENGLs are supposedly great at any volume levels, so I'd just look for clips if you can't play 'em locally and pick whichever sounds most ideal too you regardless of the wattage.

LordOVchaoS · 03-30-2008, 08:19 AM

Engl are masters of making amps sound good at low volumes and I think you will be fine with any of those in an apartment situation. That said, get the Blackmore

Expensive doesn't always mean better but I've played those and they're AWESOME!

budda · 03-30-2008, 09:21 AM

but the 6505+ has a clean channel... ???

ENGL Screamer + TS7ovChaos + attenuator =

sepherus · 03-30-2008, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budda

but the 6505+ has a clean channel... ???

ENGL Screamer + TS7ovChaos + attenuator =

No, I can vouche. It's not a clean channel, its a rhythm channel. with the gain down and the crunch off it sounds really dull and brittle, no matter what guitar or EQ you have. Chorus helps a little, but can only do so much. It sounds amazing for that mid gain sound, or even a bluesy crunch though. Dime the gain and throw the crunch switch on and its a great classic rock lead or stoner rock rhythm.

itsallinmyh3ad · 03-30-2008, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battousai

you could always kill your neighbours and get yourself an invader...

is there any way where you can rent a practice space or something ?

over here bands rent out garages and soundproof em for practice..

Well...the Invader is way over my limit. Even the Blackmore is a little out of my limit, but I'm just gonna use my credit card, since my interest rates are low as fuck.

Practice space isn't an option because right now I'm not playing in any bands or anything, so I just don't see the need to rent something that I'm gonna use alone. I do want to play in a band in a future, but I just want a good amp that will be able to handle anything.

budda · 03-30-2008, 10:17 AM

psst - if you get it into that "light overdrive" area then turn down your giutar's volume, you may be suprised.

im not a huge fan of the clean channel on the jsx, but w/ the TS on and my volume rolled down, its where i'd like it to be.

just a thought. i know the 6505's dont have Great cleans, but they are useable.

puerto rico eh? hm.. i wonder how hard it'd be to get a traynor YCS100H head down there - 30W at 4 ohms i believe?

itsallinmyh3ad · 03-30-2008, 10:22 AM

JSX's are a very good amp. I used to own one before my 6505+, and the cleans are WAY better than the 6505+.

Here I can get pretty much anything via mail-order, but stores just dont carry that much stuff. We get ESP, Mesa, Ibanez, Line 6, etc etc...But the more "boutique" stuff like Orange, ENGL, Splawn, etc...well, we don't.

I have my heart pretty set on an ENGL because I know not too many people here will have one, and after watching/hearing clips, I really like the tone it has to offer.

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03-30-2008, 02:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
itsallinmyh3ad ...Made me do it. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 662 Real Name: Carlos J. Main Seven: ESP Viper 407 Rig: ENGL Blackmore Thanked: 33	ENGL Shootdown: Where YOU help me pick my next amp! So...this is continuation of a past thread. I'm selling my 6505+ because I need a clean channel, I can't crank it enough at my apartment because my neighbors are sons of bitches, and I'm not playing in a band right now. Anyway, I'm looking for versatility. I want something that I could play in a cover band, but I could also use in a metal-band situation. I'm mainly looking at these three: -Screamer 50: It's 50w, which is convenient for me because of the volume issues. It's the cheapest of the bunch, and still I've seen a lot of youtube vid's where them amp shines on everything...EXCEPT there's not a lot of videos demoing the amps high gain capability. -Fireball: 60w, which are also good for my apartment situation. High gain sounds fabulous, but I don't see much versatility on this one. -Blackmore: The most expensive of these three. 100w, which I'm kinda thinking is too much for my apartment. I also wouldn't be able to buy a cab for sometime, but all the videos I've seen of this amp are just incredible. It looks pretty awesome also. So...Which one would YOU choose if you were in my shoes?

03-30-2008, 05:28 AM	#2 (permalink)
Lankles Fuelled by Chicken alone. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 278 Main Seven: Loomis FR + Blackouts Rig: Engl T50 > Orange HP Thanked: 5 / 1	All those amps will be way too loud for an apartment situation. Get the blackmore. Defamer - Brisbane Death Metal

03-30-2008, 05:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
Battousai Proud SSorg member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Malta Posts: 772 Real Name: Fatass Main Seven: Sii7(on the way) Rig: Invader100+1960A Cab Thanked: 14	you could always kill your neighbours and get yourself an invader... is there any way where you can rent a practice space or something ? over here bands rent out garages and soundproof em for practice.. The Struggle to free Myself from Restraints, becomes my very shackles...

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Slayer89 The Demon Barber Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turlock, CA Posts: 877 Real Name: Alan Main Seven: Schecter Loomis NT Rig: 5150 -> V30's Thanked: 37	From my experience, with an all tube amp the volume difference between 50 and 100 watts isn't going to make much of a difference. I went from a 50 watt head to a 120 watt head, and both get really loud really fast. That said, ENGLs are supposedly great at any volume levels, so I'd just look for clips if you can't play 'em locally and pick whichever sounds most ideal too you regardless of the wattage. There's a hole in the world like a great black pit And it's filled with people who are filled with shit And the vermin of the world inhabit it But not for long ...

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03-30-2008, 08:19 AM	#5 (permalink)
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03-30-2008, 09:21 AM	#6 (permalink)
budda Guiterrorizer Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London ontario Posts: 6,387 Real Name: Justin Main Seven: Carvin DC727 OFR Rig: JSX->XXX w/ CL80's Thanked: 36 $budda is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $budda is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $budda is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $budda is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $budda is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $budda is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $budda is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	but the 6505+ has a clean channel... ??? ENGL Screamer + TS7ovChaos + attenuator = 3 cheers for free gear! "Do you like burned toast with your JAM? cuz we're on FIRE!"

03-30-2008, 10:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
budda Guiterrorizer Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London ontario Posts: 6,387 Real Name: Justin Main Seven: Carvin DC727 OFR Rig: JSX->XXX w/ CL80's Thanked: 36 $budda is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $budda is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $budda is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $budda is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $budda is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $budda is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $budda is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	psst - if you get it into that "light overdrive" area then turn down your giutar's volume, you may be suprised. im not a huge fan of the clean channel on the jsx, but w/ the TS on and my volume rolled down, its where i'd like it to be. just a thought. i know the 6505's dont have Great cleans, but they are useable. puerto rico eh? hm.. i wonder how hard it'd be to get a traynor YCS100H head down there - 30W at 4 ohms i believe?

03-30-2008, 10:22 AM	#10 (permalink)
itsallinmyh3ad ...Made me do it. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 662 Real Name: Carlos J. Main Seven: ESP Viper 407 Rig: ENGL Blackmore Thanked: 33	JSX's are a very good amp. I used to own one before my 6505+, and the cleans are WAY better than the 6505+. Here I can get pretty much anything via mail-order, but stores just dont carry that much stuff. We get ESP, Mesa, Ibanez, Line 6, etc etc...But the more "boutique" stuff like Orange, ENGL, Splawn, etc...well, we don't. I have my heart pretty set on an ENGL because I know not too many people here will have one, and after watching/hearing clips, I really like the tone it has to offer.

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