[rectifryer]

Originally Posted by Toshiro

You obviously know nothing about guitar equipment..

#1. The preamp in the Spider Valve is digital. Not just the effects. It is not a tube amp with an effects processor, it's a Spider III with a tube power section. If you took out the digital part you'd have nothing but a clean poweramp, similar to a rack unit.

#2. The Boss Metal Zone and Ibanez Tube Screamer are analog, not digital at all.



This is quite a feat, considering most stores string their guitars with 9's tuned to standard. With how floppy they'd be in A, I highly doubt any amp would sound articulate.

Alright. I guess the preamp tubes are there for decor. I guess it makes sense to be scared of "digital" but not solid state....
You know what, I'm tired of arguing.

[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by rectifryer

Alright. I guess the preamp tubes are there for decor. I guess it makes sense to be scared of "digital" but not solid state....
You know what, I'm tired of arguing.

Who's scared of digital? Solid state can be analog or digital.

You're gonna come in here and post a bunch of mis-information, then we're gonna debate it.

[rectifryer]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

Who's scared of digital? Solid state can be analog or digital.
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Thats my point! Someone posted before that digital and solid state are 2 diferant things when infact digital is a form of solid state. To tell me I dont know anything about guitar equipment when I'm in my junior year of EE is asinine. I havent posted any mis info. You can go to line 6's website and verify everything I just stated in my previous posts. I'm just trying to help out. I'm not looking for personal attacks.

[Toshiro]

Originally Posted by rectifryer

Alright. I guess the preamp tubes are there for decor. I guess it makes sense to be scared of "digital" but not solid state....
You know what, I'm tired of arguing.

Let me know when you can get the gain the Spider Valve has purely from one 12AX7(The other one is a phase inverter. You do know what that is right?). You can't.

Who's arguing? You came here, said something stupid, and got a response.


BTW: I currently own a digital modelling amp, a Vox AD30VT-XL, so

[rectifryer]

"With the simple front-end controls and display, programmable patches and presets are instantly within reach. Tweak your tone even further with the front panel Presence, Drive, Bass, Mid and Treble controls: this is a true-blue tube amp, and it acts like one, responding and delivering all the analog detail, performance and warmth of every amp model and effect."

I guess they just make this stuff up. Thats a link^^^

[Toshiro]

Marketing Hype.



The entire preamp is digital. Note that the single 12AX7 before the master is after the preamp out.

Again, even if it wasn't configured like this, you would need no less than 4 12AX7s to create the gain and saturation the amp produces purely from tubes. The preamp is no more tube than a Marshall Vavlestate. The poweramp, on the other hand, is tube. This to me, is the very definition of "Hybrid", meaning 2 different things merged together: Digital modelling and tube power.

[rectifryer]

Originally Posted by Toshiro

No, but Line 6 does.



The entire preamp is digital. Note that the single 12AX7 before the master is after the preamp out.

Again, even if it wasn't configured like this, you would need no less than 4 12AX7s to create the gain and saturation the amp produces purely from tubes.

Well shit I've been looking for that flow chart and thats not what they claim on their website. If that flowchart is right then their not so clear about everything being converted to digital then back to analog. I know alot of the signal is lost during digital conversion depending on the class of amplification. Where as analog has a higher fidelity. But nevertheless, I still think it sounds good.

[Toshiro]

I'm not saying they sound bad, I just think Line 6 is full of shit referring to them as an "all tube" amplifier. Whether it sounds great or not is irrelevant to what creates the tone of the amp.

It's sorta like people who get offended when you try to explain that a Marshall JCM900 dual-reverb has diodes in the preamp and doesn't get all it's gain from tubes. The famed Jubilee model does as well, and you don't hear people talking about how solid state Slash's tone is.

If you like the amp, use it, but don't hype the shit out of it like you work for Line 6 or a dealer.

[rectifryer]

Originally Posted by Toshiro

I'm not saying they sound bad, I just think Line 6 is full of shit referring to them as an "all tube" amplifier. Whether it sounds great or not is irrelevant to what creates the tone of the amp.

It's sorta like people who get offended when you try to explain that a Marshall JCM900 dual-reverb has diodes in the preamp and doesn't get all it's gain from tubes. The famed Jubilee model does as well, and you don't hear people talking about how solid state Slash's tone is.

If you like the amp, use it, but don't hype the shit out of it like you work for Line 6 or a dealer.

Diode clipping due to reversed polarity to each other when used in pairs good shit.

Anyways, I was mislead. I didnt know the marshalls used that. Thats why I was confused as to why you said you need more preamp tubes for that kind of distortion. I also happen to have an avt150. Maybe thats why I like this amp so much.

[Ishan]

I remember Bogner himself saying the base of the amp was a totally clean amp with volume control only, never believe any marketing crap!
I've tried the 112 combo and thought it was pretty good. Over all the presets gain is set FAAARR too high but if you lower it and push the thing it sounds allright. The downsides : far too pricey over here (even worth than in the US, the head costs 1245$ ) and they come WITHOUT the damn footswitch (again raping our asses).
I'd take a small Engl or Koch amp over it any day!