Parallel effects loop question

Rev2010 · 12-28-2005, 03:59 PM

Is there any way to get full effect processing through a parallel loop? I use some weird effects like Ringmodulator for example that completely envelop the sound and I'm wondering if there's any workaround people have for achieving a fully effects signal through a parallel loop rather than a mix of signal and effect. Also, I guess noise reduction applies to this too as through my current amp (series loop) I put the noise gate at the end of the effect chain in the loop. What do you do if you have a parallel loop?

I'm asking cause someone that lives very close to me is selling a Triple Rec for cheap so it's a possible option.

Rev.

Rev2010 · 12-28-2005, 04:16 PM

Addendum: Would the 4-cable hookup method achieve this with a Boss GT-8? It sounds like it would but?

Rev.

eaeolian · 12-28-2005, 04:21 PM

If you have the Triple FX loop set to full wet, it's virtually identical to a series loop. I run mine that way, and have no issues with the noise gate in my G-Major. There's also a very simple, Mesa-endorsed mod to change the loop to series but keep the lead boost function.

Rev2010 · 12-28-2005, 04:29 PM

Yeah I noticed in the Marshall JCM2000 (I think) manual it says when their effects loop, which is parallel, it turns into series when set to full wet. I was wondering if Mesa's acted the same way. Thanks.

Rev.

7slinger · 12-28-2005, 04:30 PM

I have a dual rec and a brand new GT8 sitting at my practice space that I'm planning on hooking up with the 4 cable method...I've read some conflicting info on how well it works with the parallel loop, but I plan on spending a few hours with it tomorrow, so I'll let everyone know how it goes

eaeolian · 12-28-2005, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rev2010

Yeah I noticed in the Marshall JCM2000 (I think) manual it says when their effects loop, which is parallel, it turns into series when set to full wet. I was wondering if Mesa's acted the same way. Thanks.

Rev.

I've heard people complain about phasing issues, but I've never heard any, personally.

7StringofAblicK · 12-29-2005, 10:19 AM

Not to rob this thread, but what is the big dif. between parallel and series effects loops? I have a peavey XXX 212 and i run my effects through the loop, is that a series or parallel?

Thanks...

Drew · 12-29-2005, 11:15 AM

Paralell - your signal is split at the FX send. Part of it is sent out to your FX processor, while part of it remains within the amp and goes straight to the FX return, where it is blended with the returning processed signal.

Series - Your entire signal is sent out to the FX processor, and then returns through the FX return and goes into the poweramp.

eviltoaster · 12-29-2005, 01:55 PM

parallel=the wet/dry poti sits after the loop afaik,not at the beginning!

Rev2010 · 12-29-2005, 03:26 PM

Maybe someone with a Mesa can try this for me. Try putting a volume pedal in your effects loop, setting the mix to 100%, and see if there's any sound still coming through when you have the volume pedal set to lower the volume completely. I've been reading online and I've been getting some insightful info but also some conflicting info. I've read one person say that the effects loop on Mesa's turned to 100% wet still won't act like a series loop as there is still a small amount of original signal mixing in (like 100% is really more like 90% mix). So if someone could try the above it would put an end to this question.

Rev.

12-28-2005, 03:59 PM	#1
Rev2010 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,386 Main Seven: 2005 Schecter BlackJack C-7 Rig: Mesa Triple Rec, GT8 Thanked: 4	Parallel effects loop question - need a reply pretty quick Is there any way to get full effect processing through a parallel loop? I use some weird effects like Ringmodulator for example that completely envelop the sound and I'm wondering if there's any workaround people have for achieving a fully effects signal through a parallel loop rather than a mix of signal and effect. Also, I guess noise reduction applies to this too as through my current amp (series loop) I put the noise gate at the end of the effect chain in the loop. What do you do if you have a parallel loop? I'm asking cause someone that lives very close to me is selling a Triple Rec for cheap so it's a possible option. Rev.

12-28-2005, 04:30 PM	#5
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12-28-2005, 04:16 PM	#2
Rev2010 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,386 Main Seven: 2005 Schecter BlackJack C-7 Rig: Mesa Triple Rec, GT8 Thanked: 4	Addendum: Would the 4-cable hookup method achieve this with a Boss GT-8? It sounds like it would but? Rev.

12-28-2005, 04:21 PM	#3
eaeolian The Church of SEVEN • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 8,023 Real Name: Mike Main Seven: Jackson CS Soloist 7 Rig: Mesa Triple Recto Thanked: 30	If you have the Triple FX loop set to full wet, it's virtually identical to a series loop. I run mine that way, and have no issues with the noise gate in my G-Major. There's also a very simple, Mesa-endorsed mod to change the loop to series but keep the lead boost function.

12-28-2005, 04:29 PM	#4
Rev2010 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,386 Main Seven: 2005 Schecter BlackJack C-7 Rig: Mesa Triple Rec, GT8 Thanked: 4	Yeah I noticed in the Marshall JCM2000 (I think) manual it says when their effects loop, which is parallel, it turns into series when set to full wet. I was wondering if Mesa's acted the same way. Thanks. Rev.

12-29-2005, 10:19 AM	#7
7StringofAblicK Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,731 Real Name: Eric Rose Main Seven: Carvin/Hellraiser 7 Rig: VHT Pittbull 100/CL Thanked: 18	Not to rob this thread, but what is the big dif. between parallel and series effects loops? I have a peavey XXX 212 and i run my effects through the loop, is that a series or parallel? Thanks...

12-29-2005, 01:55 PM	#9
eviltoaster ss.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Germany,near Ramstein Posts: 208 Real Name: Thorsten Main Seven: UV777BK Rig: VHT Deliverance 60 Thanked: 0	parallel=the wet/dry poti sits after the loop afaik,not at the beginning!

12-29-2005, 03:26 PM	#10
Rev2010 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,386 Main Seven: 2005 Schecter BlackJack C-7 Rig: Mesa Triple Rec, GT8 Thanked: 4	Maybe someone with a Mesa can try this for me. Try putting a volume pedal in your effects loop, setting the mix to 100%, and see if there's any sound still coming through when you have the volume pedal set to lower the volume completely. I've been reading online and I've been getting some insightful info but also some conflicting info. I've read one person say that the effects loop on Mesa's turned to 100% wet still won't act like a series loop as there is still a small amount of original signal mixing in (like 100% is really more like 90% mix). So if someone could try the above it would put an end to this question. Rev.


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