Which ENGL?

MrJack · 02-16-2008, 02:32 PM

Well since the HD147 sounds either like absolute shit or just doesn't quite get there in terms of tone, it'll be replaced if I can't get it dialed in. So I'm probably gonna try to trade it in at a shop against something else. I could probably trade it against something worth about 900-1000€ with the FCB1010 included. Currently I've got three candidates, the ENGL Fireball (E625), Powerball (E645) and Blackmore (E650).

The amp will be used mostly for (progressive) metal. Apart from my own stuff, it would be used mainly for Nevermore, Dream Theater, Stam1na stuff. I should be able to test the Powerball, Screamer (head and combo), Thunder (combo) and either the Fireball or Blackmore.
I'm not sure if I will be able to test the Fireball or Blackmore because the store doesn't have 'em, but should be able to order them from another shop (too far away for me to go and test). And it would probably require that I bought the amp that would be ordered or the Powerball in order for them to get something out of it.

So to get to the point, which one would you recommend, the Fireball or the Blackmore? Just so that I know which one should be requested for testing. Tones that I like can be found on for example: This Godless Endeavor, Scenes From A Memory and Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence.

PS.
MrJack confesses that he doesn't know what the hell he was thinking when he decided to get the HD147.

WarriorOfMetal · 02-16-2008, 02:38 PM

i've heard good things about the Blackmore, but never tried either of those two particular models myself. i love my Savage 120 though

not a big fan of the Powerball, though.

MrJack · 02-16-2008, 03:11 PM

I actually liked the tone Joop Wolters got from the Fireball (starts 1 minute into the video).

Apophis · 02-16-2008, 04:11 PM

I think Blackmore will be the best for your needs, I played one (my friend has it) and it's excellent amp imo.

But if you like DT tones buy Mesa

Wolfie · 02-16-2008, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarriorOfMetal

i've heard good things about the Blackmore, but never tried either of those two particular models myself. i love my Savage 120 though

not a big fan of the Powerball, though.

1+!!!!

JPMDan · 02-16-2008, 04:34 PM

The best way to find the amp you're looking for is to go and try out amps. that's the best advice I can give you.

MrJack · 02-16-2008, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPMDan

The best way to find the amp you're looking for is to go and try out amps. that's the best advice I can give you.

That is what I'm planning on doing, I just need to know if I should request the Fireball or Blackmore to be ordered so that I can test it, as I doubt they'll order both if they're not sure they can get them sold.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apophis

I think Blackmore will be the best for your needs, I played one (my friend has it) and it's excellent amp imo.

So it's leaning towards the Blackmore now

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apophis

But if you like DT tones buy Mesa

Not happening with the prices they go at here.

The cheapest Mesa/Boogie head is the Single Rectifier and that costs about 2000€.

budda · 02-16-2008, 04:42 PM

get them to order both, or you wont know what each has to offer.

also, dont trade in your gear. sell it, you will get what it's worth, not what a store is willing to pay you.

FoxZero · 02-16-2008, 05:11 PM

Deja vu?

loktide · 02-17-2008, 04:51 AM

haven't played the blackmore yet, but after comparing the powerball and the fireball i clearly prefer the fireball. More character, less compression and the overall sound is more raw.

I think the blackmore won't sound as modern as the fireball, which may be a good or a bad thing...

listen to scar symmetry's pitch black process: ->Engl fireball

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02-16-2008, 02:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
MrJack ss.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 235 Main Seven: ESP LTD SC-207 Rig: Zoom GFX-1 -> TBR50 Thanked: 0	Which ENGL? Well since the HD147 sounds either like absolute shit or just doesn't quite get there in terms of tone, it'll be replaced if I can't get it dialed in. So I'm probably gonna try to trade it in at a shop against something else. I could probably trade it against something worth about 900-1000€ with the FCB1010 included. Currently I've got three candidates, the ENGL Fireball (E625), Powerball (E645) and Blackmore (E650). The amp will be used mostly for (progressive) metal. Apart from my own stuff, it would be used mainly for Nevermore, Dream Theater, Stam1na stuff. I should be able to test the Powerball, Screamer (head and combo), Thunder (combo) and either the Fireball or Blackmore. I'm not sure if I will be able to test the Fireball or Blackmore because the store doesn't have 'em, but should be able to order them from another shop (too far away for me to go and test). And it would probably require that I bought the amp that would be ordered or the Powerball in order for them to get something out of it. So to get to the point, which one would you recommend, the Fireball or the Blackmore? Just so that I know which one should be requested for testing. Tones that I like can be found on for example: This Godless Endeavor, Scenes From A Memory and Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence. PS. MrJack confesses that he doesn't know what the hell he was thinking when he decided to get the HD147.

02-16-2008, 04:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
budda Guiterrorizer Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Deep River ONT (summer), London ONT (school) Posts: 6,888 Real Name: Justin Main Seven: Carvin DC727 OFR Rig: JSX->XXX w/ WGS CL80 Thanked: 42	get them to order both, or you wont know what each has to offer. also, dont trade in your gear. sell it, you will get what it's worth, not what a store is willing to pay you. 3 cheers for free gear! "Do you like burned toast with your JAM? cuz we're on FIRE!"

02-16-2008, 05:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
FoxZero Zero Imperfections Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: West Chester, PA Posts: 786 Main Seven: BC Rich Warlock USA w/M7 Rig: Framus Cobra/PV 4x12 Thanked: 7	Deja vu? My Site http://foxzero.net/ My band's site http://wolf-hybrid.net/

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WarriorOfMetal The Dragonrider Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Boston, MA // Northern VA Posts: 2,383 Real Name: Ari Main Seven: HevAri Dragonrider Rig: Engl Savage 120 Thanked: 48 $WarriorOfMetal is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $WarriorOfMetal is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $WarriorOfMetal is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $WarriorOfMetal is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $WarriorOfMetal is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $WarriorOfMetal is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $WarriorOfMetal is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	i've heard good things about the Blackmore, but never tried either of those two particular models myself. i love my Savage 120 though not a big fan of the Powerball, though.

02-16-2008, 03:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
MrJack ss.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 235 Main Seven: ESP LTD SC-207 Rig: Zoom GFX-1 -> TBR50 Thanked: 0	I actually liked the tone Joop Wolters got from the Fireball (starts 1 minute into the video).

02-16-2008, 04:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
Apophis ROTER CUSTOM GUITARS Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 8,390 Real Name: Sebastian Main Seven: I need more strings :) Main ERG: RCG 9 & 10 string Rig: Line6 Thanked: 50	I think Blackmore will be the best for your needs, I played one (my friend has it) and it's excellent amp imo. But if you like DT tones buy Mesa

02-16-2008, 04:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
JPMDan Dis fuckin' guy... Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New Orleans, Louisiana Posts: 5,538 Real Name: Dan Main Seven: Conklin GTG-7T Rig: A. Reactor 112+PodXT Thanked: 41	The best way to find the amp you're looking for is to go and try out amps. that's the best advice I can give you.

02-17-2008, 04:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
loktide where's the beef? Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 1,719 Real Name: Christian Main Seven: Ibanez RG7680-LTD1 Rig: Diezel-VH4>Orange412 Thanked: 29	haven't played the blackmore yet, but after comparing the powerball and the fireball i clearly prefer the fireball. More character, less compression and the overall sound is more raw. I think the blackmore won't sound as modern as the fireball, which may be a good or a bad thing... listen to scar symmetry's pitch black process: ->Engl fireball

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