Is 50 watts really enough?

Thrashmanzac · 12-15-2007, 05:53 AM

my guitar teacher as a 60watt 5150 combo ( ive told him that if he ever sells it to anyone but me, hes a dead man) and it kicks an epic ammount of arse.
just remember that W is a measure power, not db. i say go for it man

dpm · 12-15-2007, 06:09 AM

Also, a big, big, BIG part of dB output is speaker efficiency. 100w will theoretically give you a 3dB increase in volume over 50w - not a lot, but noticeable. You could easily lose that advantage by using inefficient speakers (say, as speaker efficiency of 98dB instead of 101dB). Losing 6 - 10dB is generally perceived as a 50% reduction in volume.

FireaL · 12-15-2007, 06:10 AM

My laney gh50l at 2 is to loud for my garage and gives me ringing tinitus.

astrocreep · 12-15-2007, 07:13 AM

My 50W Engl screamer is plenty loud, though oddly sometimes doesn't seem as loud as the Boogie DC3 I had as a loner when the amp was giving me problems...

Ishan · 12-15-2007, 07:41 AM

I play a 20w head and it's INSANELY loud

you should know that to double the percieved power you should double your current power 3 times. So an amp twice as loud as mine would be 160w

Speakers are also a good part of amp loudness, I went from V30 to G12 Century and it boosted output by 1/3

Bound · 12-15-2007, 07:43 AM

my 60w with a 4x12 loaded with Celestion G12T-75's is insanely loud....

It gets well into the range of loudness where your ears can no longer distinguish notes, just a wall of noise attacking your head. Unless I wear earplugs, but even then it only helps a little bit...

nitelightboy · 12-15-2007, 08:03 AM

I just went to an audition the other night with my 60 watt amp. Kept up very well with the other guitarist's 100 watter, bass, drums, vocals, and keys. I was a little disappointed with my tone (I've never had that amp cranked so loud), but that little bastard was plenty loud.

skinhead · 12-15-2007, 08:35 AM

A 50 watts it's awesome to sound awesome. You can cranck it and have that awesome tube sound that appears at high volume.

Bound · 12-15-2007, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitelightboy

I just went to an audition the other night with my 60 watt amp. Kept up very well with the other guitarist's 100 watter, bass, drums, vocals, and keys. I was a little disappointed with my tone (I've never had that amp cranked so loud), but that little bastard was plenty loud.

You might want to change your settings and roll the gain off a bit... tube saturation can really alter the way your amp sounds from say playing in a bedroom to being pushed to meltdown....

kmanick · 12-15-2007, 10:02 AM

I used to own a 60 watt 5150 combo that was
ridiculously loud (especially thru a 4 x 12 cab).
a 5150 head will give you lots and lots of volume.
When Drew stopped by my house a few months ago he bought his rectoverb
1 X12 combo with him (I think it's 50 watts) and it was easily as loud as my
JSX thru a 4 x12 cab.

so what am I saying? don't just look at wattage, look at brand and model
and look at speakers, 25 watt greenbacks won't keep up with C90's
they all put out different levels.

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