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tie my rope · 11-13-2007, 06:26 AM

Right im in need of a cab for my ENGL fireball head. i dont actualy own one atm i use a marshall 1960A at the stuidio we practise at, and to be honest it just doesnt have enough UMPH to it.

so i was wondering what cab would suit me best.

my band plays thrash influenced death metal, so fairly high gain but id also need cutting tone for our solos. live performance is very important aswell.

cheers, harry.

LordOVchaoS · 11-13-2007, 06:35 AM

Since you're in the UK I'll say Orange

HamBungler · 11-13-2007, 06:52 AM

I agree, Orange cabs rock!

Loserchief · 11-13-2007, 07:11 AM

Orange ftw ! Once played my Engl Sovereing 100 through a straight orange 4x12 and the tone was killer.

tie my rope · 11-13-2007, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HamBungler

I agree, Orange cabs rock!

il look into it but from what ive heard theyre not realy THAT high gain, how about vader?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loserchief

Orange ftw ! Once played my Engl Sovereing 100 through a straight orange 4x12 and the tone was killer.

i stand corrected.

LordOVchaoS · 11-13-2007, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tie my rope

il look into it but from what ive heard theyre not realy THAT high gain, how about vader?

What do you mean by high gain? Cabs aren't high gain, amps are. Are you looking for more distortion from your speakers? If so it's a bad idea IMO! Speaker breakup and high gain metal don't mix well. Speaker breakup turns tone to mush and works well for slower blues and rock. If you're playing fast metal that requires note definition you want a cab with high headroom (lots of watts).

Vaders are the best choice IMO, I like them better than Orange! Problem is if you want a 4x12 shipping will OWN you to get one to the UK as they're made in America and they don't have a European distributor at this time. Quite a few guys from across the pond have told me that 2x12s aren't that expensive to ship. There's a few guys I know that have or are about to order a Vader 2x12 and have it shipped to Europe (Karl Hungus could probably tell you how much it will cost). Or you can email Adam vadercabinets@hotmail.com and ask him.

If you can swing the shipping costs then by all means get a Vader!

7 Dying Trees · 11-13-2007, 07:32 AM

Cabs are not about gain. About clarity and punch. The orange cabs are really really good, and well built, and well worth looking into. If you don't like the orange then paint it. You will not gewt more percieved gain out of a vader or orange cab to be honest.

Marshalls are nice, and I still use them myself as I have a soft spot for them. Also, they add a nice bit of dirt to the sound I find. I do get enough umph out of mine, but then again I am also a firm believer in not using too much bass and avoiding scooped sounds like the plague and leaving space for the bass to fill everything out. Plus using marshall cabs pretty much means I can turn up at a gig where the cabs are provided and 9-9.5/10 they are marshalls, and plug into them and go knowing it'll sound fairly close to what I am used to.

Anyway, have a look at your amp settings. If you are not cutting through then it will be more to do with lack of mids. Also, for rythm i find it usefull to keep the gain just past crunch, bass halfway or less, lead wise it'll help to add bass in, and mids if possible to thicken up the sound.

I actually find that too much gain on the rythm sound (especially for more thrashy riffs) is detrimental to the percieved power you get out of it, ie, no impact and tightness as it just starts to flub around a bit.

tie my rope · 11-13-2007, 07:37 AM

to clear things up, by high gain i meant like having a cab which can handle the amount of gain i use but also have clarity - hard to explain.

7 Dying Trees · 11-13-2007, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tie my rope

to clear things up, by high gain i meant like having a cab which can handle the amount of gain i use but also have clarity - hard to explain.

Headroom basically. Although using loads of gain still gives the overall sound a fizz that no cab will get rid off no matter how tight it is. Loads of gain is good for leads as it makes them more liquid, however for rythm playing it really is detrimental to clarity if that makes sense...

If that is still a problem and you want more gain, try sticking a tubescreamer in front of the amp to tighten everything up whilst still giving you the gain you want.

loktide · 11-13-2007, 09:06 AM

Orang cabs FTW

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11-13-2007, 06:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
tie my rope Resident Asshat Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 557 Real Name: harry Main Seven: C-7 loomis! Rig: ENGL fireball Thanked: 15	CABZORS. Right im in need of a cab for my ENGL fireball head. i dont actualy own one atm i use a marshall 1960A at the stuidio we practise at, and to be honest it just doesnt have enough UMPH to it. so i was wondering what cab would suit me best. my band plays thrash influenced death metal, so fairly high gain but id also need cutting tone for our solos. live performance is very important aswell. cheers, harry.

11-13-2007, 06:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
LordOVchaoS NUDE MAN! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrensburg, MO Posts: 3,969 Real Name: Joe Main Seven: Xiphos 7-string+blackouts Rig: Engl SE->Vader Thanked: 56	Since you're in the UK I'll say Orange www.bodenhamer-electronics.com the official gain merchant of sevenstring.org.

11-13-2007, 06:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
HamBungler Lord Zorgatron Join Date: May 2007 Location: Woodville, OH Posts: 976 Real Name: Nate Main Seven: Schecter A-7 w/X2N7 Rig: Peavey -> GNX 3 Thanked: 13	I agree, Orange cabs rock! I'm assuming he's going to want to mass produce these rack pies, and why not? I love racks, I love pies, so put them together and you have pie covered titties. - JJ Don't thank me, thank the wombat rapist. - Jamie Mah Deviantart Myspace The Many Faces of Egoraptor

11-13-2007, 07:32 AM	#7 (permalink)
7 Dying Trees Sarcy English Twat Join Date: May 2004 Location: 7th Ethereal Plane of interstellar hell, Innit Bruv, Safe, London, UK Posts: 6,579 Real Name: James Main Seven: UV7PWH / UV7BK / RG2027 Main ERG: 10 fingers of metal death Rig: Triaxis->TBR5/VHT UL Thanked: 77	Cabs are not about gain. About clarity and punch. The orange cabs are really really good, and well built, and well worth looking into. If you don't like the orange then paint it. You will not gewt more percieved gain out of a vader or orange cab to be honest. Marshalls are nice, and I still use them myself as I have a soft spot for them. Also, they add a nice bit of dirt to the sound I find. I do get enough umph out of mine, but then again I am also a firm believer in not using too much bass and avoiding scooped sounds like the plague and leaving space for the bass to fill everything out. Plus using marshall cabs pretty much means I can turn up at a gig where the cabs are provided and 9-9.5/10 they are marshalls, and plug into them and go knowing it'll sound fairly close to what I am used to. Anyway, have a look at your amp settings. If you are not cutting through then it will be more to do with lack of mids. Also, for rythm i find it usefull to keep the gain just past crunch, bass halfway or less, lead wise it'll help to add bass in, and mids if possible to thicken up the sound. I actually find that too much gain on the rythm sound (especially for more thrashy riffs) is detrimental to the percieved power you get out of it, ie, no impact and tightness as it just starts to flub around a bit. The Chaos has come: www.chaosanct.com

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11-13-2007, 07:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
Loserchief Rokuban Taicho Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Munich; Germany Posts: 419 Real Name: Daniel Main Seven: C7 Hellraiser Rig: Engl Sovereign+ Cab Thanked: 2	Orange ftw ! Once played my Engl Sovereing 100 through a straight orange 4x12 and the tone was killer.

11-13-2007, 07:37 AM	#8 (permalink)
tie my rope Resident Asshat Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 557 Real Name: harry Main Seven: C-7 loomis! Rig: ENGL fireball Thanked: 15	to clear things up, by high gain i meant like having a cab which can handle the amount of gain i use but also have clarity - hard to explain.

11-13-2007, 09:06 AM	#10 (permalink)
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