MESA Mark IV vs. ENGL Invader

royuno · 11-04-2007, 12:50 AM

Living in Hawaii, I unfortunately am not able to test drive the ENGL Invader. (No one carrys it on the island.)

So I figured I'd ask the great people of this forum.

I currently own a MESA Mark IV. What can I expect from an ENGL Invader, comparatively??

Vince · 11-04-2007, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by royuno

What can I expect from an ENGL Invader

Djent.

Guitarholic · 11-04-2007, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince

Djent.

Ha! Yeah, lots of it!!!

bulb · 11-04-2007, 07:25 PM

To add to this i believe the Engl will also be Djentier, but thats just me, and im kinda crazy...

..CRAZY TASTING!

Jongpil Yun · 11-04-2007, 08:04 PM

Considering that the Invader is several thousand dollars more expensive, I'm guessing... quite a bit.

bulb · 11-04-2007, 11:37 PM

more like 1000 bucks more

noodles · 11-04-2007, 11:44 PM

Going on the sounds Bulb was getting from an Invader, it is definitely closer to a Recto than a Mark IV. More bottom end and sizzle, while the Mark IV has more of a bark to the midrange and a woolier bottom.

Apophis · 11-05-2007, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by noodles

Going on the sounds Bulb was getting from an Invader, it is definitely closer to a Recto than a Mark IV. More bottom end and sizzle, while the Mark IV has more of a bark to the midrange and a woolier bottom.

Depends from needs, those are different amps.

Drew · 11-05-2007, 03:46 AM

Yeah, it depends what you want. If djent is your thing, then the Engl will be tough to beat. If you're looking for lead tones or more Metallica like crunch, though, well, the Mark-IV is about the best lead tone I've ever heard.

bulb · 11-05-2007, 04:30 AM

id really be curious to try em together, because to me the invader has the greatest lead sound i have ever heard, djent is only one of the many sounds it kicks ass at

LordOVchaoS · 11-05-2007, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bulb

id really be curious to try em together, because to me the invader has the greatest lead sound i have ever heard, djent is only one of the many sounds it kicks ass at

Most versatile amp I've ever touched!!! Me thinks it could pull off a good Mark IV lead tone with some tweakage AND you still have the benefit of it being a rhythm monster which, IMO, the Mark IV is not.

urklvt · 11-05-2007, 06:52 AM

I don't know Joe, your TS-9 has made my Mark IV a freakin' beast! I was messing with R2 this week and got a setting that, to my ears at least, sounded quite like an overdriven recto. F***ing ballsy. I know the 15" Peavey bass cab isn't hurting it either...

I did almost pick up an ENGL the day I bought the Mark IV, but I had been wanting the Mesa for so long that I would not be denied.

For bulb tone, which flat out owns btw, ENGL. Period.

The Dark Wolf · 11-05-2007, 07:05 AM

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urklvt · 11-05-2007, 07:40 AM

LOL!!! Thanks Boob!!!

Joe made my Mark IV ....ING OWN!!!!!!!!

Nick · 11-05-2007, 07:48 AM

lol!

loktide · 11-05-2007, 08:27 AM

I ....ing still haven't ....ing got my ....ing ENGL. ....!

LordOVchaoS · 11-05-2007, 05:11 PM

.... ....itty .... .... ....!

That's awesome Eric! I've never had the pleasure of trying one with a Tubescreamer! Maybe I'm missing out on something!

Karl Hungus · 11-05-2007, 06:08 PM

Yeah, the Invader ain't just for rythms, everything I've read about it says the leads absolutely slay, and that's one of the reasons I was going for it, I want some more versatility.

There's just not that many lead clips out there, most people are doing rythms clips.

This might give you an idea:

I'll be able to tell you more once I actually have it in my hands, but the guys here have said that there's some awesome low gain and mid gain sounds, and that all the channels are really usable.

Jongpil Yun · 11-05-2007, 07:35 PM

Well, OK, a new Invader 100 is $2700, a used Mark IV right around $800. I've never seen a used Invader so I don't know how much they go for.

Karl Hungus · 11-05-2007, 07:49 PM

Jesus, you've seen a Mark IV go for $800? Where can I get one!?

LordOVchaoS · 11-05-2007, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jongpil Yun

Well, OK, a new Invader 100 is $2700, a used Mark IV right around $800. I've never seen a used Invader so I don't know how much they go for.

I paid $2050 shipped for one that was used less than 5 hours!

sakeido · 11-05-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl Hungus

Jesus, you've seen a Mark IV go for $800? Where can I get one!?

No shit I paid $1450 for mine. I paid too much, but it was the cheapest one at the time.

Jongpil Yun · 11-06-2007, 09:59 AM

Craigslist and eBay? I've seen two or three in the past six months or so go for under $900.

FullMetalEcho · 11-06-2007, 02:28 PM

I have the Mark IV for almost a year now. It is extremely versatile. Anyone who says it can't do metal or isn't aggresive needs to climb out of that rock they're living under. Amazing clean and lead channel. Perfect for rhythm and lead players. Can dial in a Black Album/Justice type tone pretty easy if you have expierence with it. Haven't tried the Invader yet but the ENGL's I did try have a little bit "too much saturated distortion type tones" for me but I'm not saying they're bad, they have some pretty cool tones. Mark IV fits me perfectly because it is an extremely tight and smooth amp. I really recommend you try it out for yourself. Also be warned that this is a tweakers amp, if your a plug in and play kinda guy it'll take some patience to find that exact tone your looking for but it's definately worth it.

FoxZero · 11-07-2007, 07:02 PM

haha from what I've been hearing of the Invader 100 I really wanna try one! I usually go to Sam Ash to try out major amps but I guess I'll try to make the extra drive to get a guitar center. If I could score one for around $2000 used that'd be great for me, fo some reason I really don't want to spend more than $2000 on my first tube amp.

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11-04-2007, 12:50 AM	#1
royuno turns it up to 11. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 14 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	MESA Mark IV vs. ENGL Invader Living in Hawaii, I unfortunately am not able to test drive the ENGL Invader. (No one carrys it on the island.) So I figured I'd ask the great people of this forum. I currently own a MESA Mark IV. What can I expect from an ENGL Invader, comparatively?? "Good tattoos ain't cheap/Cheap tattoos ain't good."

11-04-2007, 07:25 PM	#4
bulb Join Date: May 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 4,367 Thanked: 229 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	To add to this i believe the Engl will also be Djentier, but thats just me, and im kinda crazy... ..CRAZY TASTING! Perceive beyond the seam. www.soundcloud.com/iambulb www.myspace.com/iambulb www.myspace.com/periphery www.soundclick.com/bulb

11-04-2007, 08:04 PM	#5
Jongpil Yun SS Contributor Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,338 Thanked: 28 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Considering that the Invader is several thousand dollars more expensive, I'm guessing... quite a bit. Whether it's laughable or irrational, this is the path that ALL great men walk! If there's a wall in our way, we'll destroy it! If there's no road, we'll pave it with our own hands! The magma in our hearts is blazing like flames! Who the hell do you think we are?

11-04-2007, 11:37 PM	#6
bulb Join Date: May 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 4,367 Thanked: 229 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	more like 1000 bucks more Perceive beyond the seam. www.soundcloud.com/iambulb www.myspace.com/iambulb www.myspace.com/periphery www.soundclick.com/bulb

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11-04-2007, 11:44 PM	#7
noodles I'm your huckleberry Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 17,910 Thanked: 303 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Going on the sounds Bulb was getting from an Invader, it is definitely closer to a Recto than a Mark IV. More bottom end and sizzle, while the Mark IV has more of a bark to the midrange and a woolier bottom. Noodles Division: American Metal without the suck. kxksales@gmail.com

11-05-2007, 03:46 AM	#9
Drew Fear the Polo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 21,656 Thanked: 154 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Yeah, it depends what you want. If djent is your thing, then the Engl will be tough to beat. If you're looking for lead tones or more Metallica like crunch, though, well, the Mark-IV is about the best lead tone I've ever heard. "...and everything under the sun is in tune, but the sun is eclipsed by the moon." http://www.metalguitarist.org

11-05-2007, 04:30 AM	#10
bulb Join Date: May 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 4,367 Thanked: 229 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	id really be curious to try em together, because to me the invader has the greatest lead sound i have ever heard, djent is only one of the many sounds it kicks ass at Perceive beyond the seam. www.soundcloud.com/iambulb www.myspace.com/iambulb www.myspace.com/periphery www.soundclick.com/bulb

11-05-2007, 06:52 AM	#12
urklvt XEN Master Join Date: May 2005 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 3,558 Thanked: 8 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	I don't know Joe, your TS-9 has made my Mark IV a freakin' beast! I was messing with R2 this week and got a setting that, to my ears at least, sounded quite like an overdriven recto. F***ing ballsy. I know the 15" Peavey bass cab isn't hurting it either... I did almost pick up an ENGL the day I bought the Mark IV, but I had been wanting the Mesa for so long that I would not be denied. For bulb tone, which flat out owns btw, ENGL. Period. xen website / facebook / email / urklvt

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11-05-2007, 07:40 AM	#14
urklvt XEN Master Join Date: May 2005 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 3,558 Thanked: 8 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	LOL!!! Thanks Boob!!! Joe made my Mark IV ....ING OWN!!!!!!!! xen website / facebook / email / urklvt

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LordOVchaoS NUDE MAN! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrensburg, MO Posts: 4,496 Thanked: 75 Feedback Score: 29 reviews	.... ....itty .... .... ....! That's awesome Eric! I've never had the pleasure of trying one with a Tubescreamer! Maybe I'm missing out on something! www.bodenhamer-electronics.com the official gain merchant of sevenstring.org.

11-05-2007, 06:08 PM	#18
Karl Hungus You're no daisy. Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 4,181 Thanked: 225 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Yeah, the Invader ain't just for rythms, everything I've read about it says the leads absolutely slay, and that's one of the reasons I was going for it, I want some more versatility. There's just not that many lead clips out there, most people are doing rythms clips. This might give you an idea: I'll be able to tell you more once I actually have it in my hands, but the guys here have said that there's some awesome low gain and mid gain sounds, and that all the channels are really usable. "Does the brain control you or are you controlling the brain? I don't know if I'm in charge of mine." - Karl Pilkington

11-05-2007, 07:35 PM	#19
Jongpil Yun SS Contributor Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,338 Thanked: 28 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well, OK, a new Invader 100 is $2700, a used Mark IV right around $800. I've never seen a used Invader so I don't know how much they go for. Whether it's laughable or irrational, this is the path that ALL great men walk! If there's a wall in our way, we'll destroy it! If there's no road, we'll pave it with our own hands! The magma in our hearts is blazing like flames! Who the hell do you think we are?

11-05-2007, 07:49 PM	#20
Karl Hungus You're no daisy. Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 4,181 Thanked: 225 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Jesus, you've seen a Mark IV go for $800? Where can I get one!? "Does the brain control you or are you controlling the brain? I don't know if I'm in charge of mine." - Karl Pilkington

11-06-2007, 09:59 AM	#23
Jongpil Yun SS Contributor Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,338 Thanked: 28 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Craigslist and eBay? I've seen two or three in the past six months or so go for under $900. Whether it's laughable or irrational, this is the path that ALL great men walk! If there's a wall in our way, we'll destroy it! If there's no road, we'll pave it with our own hands! The magma in our hearts is blazing like flames! Who the hell do you think we are?

11-06-2007, 02:28 PM	#24
FullMetalEcho N00b Extraordinaire Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Forest Posts: 16 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have the Mark IV for almost a year now. It is extremely versatile. Anyone who says it can't do metal or isn't aggresive needs to climb out of that rock they're living under. Amazing clean and lead channel. Perfect for rhythm and lead players. Can dial in a Black Album/Justice type tone pretty easy if you have expierence with it. Haven't tried the Invader yet but the ENGL's I did try have a little bit "too much saturated distortion type tones" for me but I'm not saying they're bad, they have some pretty cool tones. Mark IV fits me perfectly because it is an extremely tight and smooth amp. I really recommend you try it out for yourself. Also be warned that this is a tweakers amp, if your a plug in and play kinda guy it'll take some patience to find that exact tone your looking for but it's definately worth it.

11-07-2007, 07:02 PM	#25
FoxZero Zero Imperfections Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: West Chester, PA Posts: 915 Thanked: 9 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	haha from what I've been hearing of the Invader 100 I really wanna try one! I usually go to Sam Ash to try out major amps but I guess I'll try to make the extra drive to get a guitar center. If I could score one for around $2000 used that'd be great for me, fo some reason I really don't want to spend more than $2000 on my first tube amp. My Site http://foxzero.net/ My band's site http://wolf-hybrid.net/

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