What's the Deal with the All the Tube Screamers?

janne_oksanen · 09-24-2007, 02:52 PM

I see a lot of ppl here using tube screamer pedals with their super high gain amps. This being a 7 string forum and seeing that the amps have enough gain for a genocide I take it that you guys are not using them for that sweet SRV honky tonky tone. Which begs the question... What are you using them for?

EDIT: corrected a typo

Krunch · 09-24-2007, 03:00 PM

There was a long discussion about this a few months ago here:
Riddle me this: Distortion pedals in front of amps

The short version: Most people use it as a clean (or almost clean) signal boost, or sometimes not even boosting the signal. TSxxx's have a low pass filter and some tone shaping that tightens the bass response of and allows you to run your amp gain lower while retaining the saturation of a higher gain setting, but tighter.

noodles · 09-24-2007, 03:11 PM

Speak for yourself, I use them for that sweet SRV honky tonk tone.

Krunch · 09-24-2007, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noodles

Speak for yourself, I use them for that sweet SRV honky tonk tone.

Rick · 09-24-2007, 03:14 PM

Yeah, SRV born in a Metallica tour.

noodles · 09-24-2007, 03:16 PM

What's funny is that I played in a blues/rock band back in college, and my rig was Strat -> Crybaby -> vintage Tube Screamer -> Fender Blues DeVille. Then I sold it when I joined a metal band. This was before they were worth more than ten bucks.

Guitarholic · 09-24-2007, 03:35 PM

I read this on the older thread: "It will generally make ANY AMP sound better. Any."

I really have to disagree. I tried an Ibanez TS-7, a TS-9 and a Maxon OD808
in front of my Diezel Herbert and it actually made the amp sound thinner.

Anyone got a clue why that could be?!

The Maxon OD808 was really great with my old Mesa Rectos, but now...I dunno.

Well...not that I would NEED an overdrive pedal for the Herbert. But I just wanted to try it

Stitch · 09-24-2007, 03:40 PM

Because Diezel's suck?

I'm joking.

My expereince with the Diezel was that it is a very thin sounding amp anyway, and i needs all the bass you can kick at it - and I wass playing through a Blackmachine B8 tuned to low 'e'

janne_oksanen · 09-24-2007, 03:48 PM

Sounds like I need to buy a couple of OD pedals and try that myself. I found that my DS-1 has way too much gain for my clean channel even when set to the minimum. Gotta add a SD-1 and a TS of some sort to my shopping list.

Ishan · 09-24-2007, 04:01 PM

My amp amp have some loose bass (nothing terrible but still a bit annoying) and any TS9 clone can get rid of that! Can't wait for my Bloody Murder!!

Drew · 09-24-2007, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noodles

Speak for yourself, I use them for that sweet SRV honky tonk tone.

Actually, on occasion I do. A TS with the gain about 2/3 and the level most of the way up hitting the front end of an ever-so-slightly driven Rectifier is a SERIOUSLY good blues tone.

Stitch · 09-24-2007, 04:13 PM

Shut up, Drew. Stop posting and start PM'ing.

Krunch · 09-24-2007, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew

Actually, on occasion I do. A TS with the gain about 2/3 and the level most of the way up hitting the front end of an ever-so-slightly driven Rectifier is a SERIOUSLY good blues tone.

Indeed it is.

Drew · 09-24-2007, 04:19 PM

Stitch is getting jealous - seems Shawn isn't the only gay one here.

Stitch · 09-24-2007, 04:22 PM

Leon · 09-24-2007, 04:25 PM

Stitch · 09-24-2007, 04:28 PM

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janne_oksanen · 09-24-2007, 05:00 PM

[action=janne_oksanen]wonders wth just happened to this thread[/action]

ShawnFjellstad · 09-24-2007, 05:05 PM

[action=SawnFjellstad] thinks that janne_oksanen hasn't been here quite long enough to fully understand, but, long story short, stitch and i are

.[/action]

edit: if you have to ask why we use OD pedals in front of high gain amps, you probably haven't tried it yet.

Stitch · 09-24-2007, 05:09 PM

ShawnFjellstad · 09-24-2007, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stitch216

janne_oksanen · 09-24-2007, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShawnFjellstad

[action=SawnFjellstad] thinks that janne_oksanen hasn't been here quite long enough to fully understand, but, long story short, stitch and i are

.[/action]

edit: if you have to ask why we use OD pedals in front of high gain amps, you probably haven't tried it yet.

Right... Anyways... Sure I have tried OD pedals in front of high gain amps, but being the distortion junkie I am it never crossed my mind to use them with the gain all the way down! I cranked them up and then cranked the amp's gain up, got a huge feedback and blew my ear drums. Then when I was done laughing I got up and made a point of never doing it again :P

7StringofAblicK · 09-24-2007, 05:54 PM

Yeah, they aren't used to add gain - they are a tone-shaping tool. They tighten up a loose amp, or add clarity to notes. They add good harmonics, too.

gain down, tone middle (ish) volume about half or more (some people use it all the way up) ALL in front of an amp = sex. You'll notice that with the OD the clarity will increase and you'll use even less gain. on my Pball the gain is on about 2-3 MAX and my bloody murder it's about level 2-3 as well. It's very clean and articulate, but more importantly, brutal

bitches.

noodles · 09-24-2007, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew

Actually, on occasion I do. A TS with the gain about 2/3 and the level most of the way up hitting the front end of an ever-so-slightly driven Rectifier is a SERIOUSLY good blues tone.

You obviously missed my second post.

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09-24-2007, 02:52 PM	#1
janne_oksanen ss.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 16 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What's the Deal with the All the Tube Screamers? I see a lot of ppl here using tube screamer pedals with their super high gain amps. This being a 7 string forum and seeing that the amps have enough gain for a genocide I take it that you guys are not using them for that sweet SRV honky tonky tone. Which begs the question... What are you using them for? EDIT: corrected a typo

09-24-2007, 03:11 PM	#3
noodles I'm your huckleberry Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 17,910 Thanked: 303 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Speak for yourself, I use them for that sweet SRV honky tonk tone. Noodles Division: American Metal without the suck. kxksales@gmail.com

09-24-2007, 03:14 PM	#5
Rick SENSUAL CAPTAIN Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 16,103 Thanked: 101 Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Yeah, SRV born in a Metallica tour. Head of Agile Gestapo Line 6 XDS95-->Line 6 POD X3 Pro-->Matrix GT800FX-->Line 6 Spidervalve 4x12 cabinet https://www.facebook.com/thealphaandtheomegamusic

09-24-2007, 03:16 PM	#6
noodles I'm your huckleberry Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 17,910 Thanked: 303 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	What's funny is that I played in a blues/rock band back in college, and my rig was Strat -> Crybaby -> vintage Tube Screamer -> Fender Blues DeVille. Then I sold it when I joined a metal band. This was before they were worth more than ten bucks. Noodles Division: American Metal without the suck. kxksales@gmail.com

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09-24-2007, 03:00 PM	#2
Krunch Krunch SMASH Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fredericksburg, Va Posts: 448 Thanked: 7 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	There was a long discussion about this a few months ago here: Riddle me this: Distortion pedals in front of amps The short version: Most people use it as a clean (or almost clean) signal boost, or sometimes not even boosting the signal. TSxxx's have a low pass filter and some tone shaping that tightens the bass response of and allows you to run your amp gain lower while retaining the saturation of a higher gain setting, but tighter.

09-24-2007, 03:35 PM	#7
Guitarholic 8Dio Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 577 Thanked: 28 $Guitarholic is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Guitarholic is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Guitarholic is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Guitarholic is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Guitarholic is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Guitarholic is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Guitarholic is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I read this on the older thread: "It will generally make ANY AMP sound better. Any." I really have to disagree. I tried an Ibanez TS-7, a TS-9 and a Maxon OD808 in front of my Diezel Herbert and it actually made the amp sound thinner. Anyone got a clue why that could be?! The Maxon OD808 was really great with my old Mesa Rectos, but now...I dunno. Well...not that I would NEED an overdrive pedal for the Herbert. But I just wanted to try it http://soundcloud.com/janhoeglund http://bandhappy.com/profile/janhoeglund Or follow me on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Jan-M...42452299209335

09-24-2007, 03:40 PM	#8
Stitch Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 7,889 Thanked: 126 Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Because Diezel's suck? I'm joking. My expereince with the Diezel was that it is a very thin sounding amp anyway, and i needs all the bass you can kick at it - and I wass playing through a Blackmachine B8 tuned to low 'e'

09-24-2007, 03:48 PM	#9
janne_oksanen ss.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 16 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Sounds like I need to buy a couple of OD pedals and try that myself. I found that my DS-1 has way too much gain for my clean channel even when set to the minimum. Gotta add a SD-1 and a TS of some sort to my shopping list.

09-24-2007, 04:01 PM	#10
Ishan Giant Fridge Magnet Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Paris, France. Posts: 4,271 Thanked: 25 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My amp amp have some loose bass (nothing terrible but still a bit annoying) and any TS9 clone can get rid of that! Can't wait for my Bloody Murder!! Current rig : Agile Intrepid Pro with Lace Aluma Deathbar pickup -> Eleven Rack + TC G-Major -> ESI Near 5 Experience My string tension calculator STC - supports most D'addarrio and Circle K Strings

09-24-2007, 04:13 PM	#12
Stitch Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 7,889 Thanked: 126 Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Shut up, Drew. Stop posting and start PM'ing.

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Drew Fear the Polo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 21,656 Thanked: 154 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Stitch is getting jealous - seems Shawn isn't the only gay one here. "...and everything under the sun is in tune, but the sun is eclipsed by the moon." http://www.metalguitarist.org

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09-24-2007, 05:05 PM	#19
ShawnFjellstad hates womanizers. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: California, USA Posts: 4,302 Thanked: 38 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	[action=SawnFjellstad] thinks that janne_oksanen hasn't been here quite long enough to fully understand, but, long story short, stitch and i are .[/action] edit: if you have to ask why we use OD pedals in front of high gain amps, you probably haven't tried it yet. I'm typing this on my knees with my butt in the air. -Drew

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7StringofAblicK SS Contributor Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,930 Thanked: 25 $7StringofAblicK is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $7StringofAblicK is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $7StringofAblicK is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $7StringofAblicK is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $7StringofAblicK is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $7StringofAblicK is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $7StringofAblicK is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Yeah, they aren't used to add gain - they are a tone-shaping tool. They tighten up a loose amp, or add clarity to notes. They add good harmonics, too. gain down, tone middle (ish) volume about half or more (some people use it all the way up) ALL in front of an amp = sex. You'll notice that with the OD the clarity will increase and you'll use even less gain. on my Pball the gain is on about 2-3 MAX and my bloody murder it's about level 2-3 as well. It's very clean and articulate, but more importantly, brutal bitches.

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