[Lozek]

Hye guys, I'm looking for a bit of advice. I'm on tour in Germany at the end of September and will be using rental gear. I've specified two 3 channel Dual recs & two V30 loaded cabs for me & the other guitarist, can anyone tell me how to get the best out of them?

I'm curently thinking, get a cranked Tubescreamer in front, get an ISP pedal somewhere (best placement in the loop?) and pick up a cheap delay of some kind.

I'd like to achieve the following:

Channel 1 - Semi-distortion sound for a couple of subtle parts here & there
Channel 2 - Main rhythm sound
Channel 3 - Lead sound, with volume boost & delay

Can anyone give me any tips? Help with the channel voicings? (it's been about 10yrs since I owned a Dual rec & it was an early two channel)

[starsnuffer]

Step 1: Turn it up loud
Step 2: Turn the bass down, and the mids up, treble, gain, and presence to around noon
Step 3: Turn it up louder

A tubescreamer will tighten it up a bit, make sure the tone knob is above 12 oclock, gain down, level up. Put the ISP right after your guitar, first in the chain.

Step 4: Play with it, experiment
step 5: read the manual. There are some good baseline settings in there
Step 6: turn it up loud

Hope that helps.

-W

[Zepp88]

Originally Posted by starsnuffer

Step 1: Turn it up loud
Step 2: Turn the bass down, and the mids up, treble, gain, and presence to around noon
Step 3: Turn it up louder

A tubescreamer will tighten it up a bit, make sure the tone knob is above 12 oclock, gain down, level up. Put the ISP right after your guitar, first in the chain.

Step 4: Play with it, experiment
step 5: read the manual. There are some good baseline settings in there
Step 6: turn it up loud

Hope that helps.

-W

[sakeido]

With a Recto and their EQ you have to really watch what you are doing with the treble/mid/bass knobs. Set them starting with treble then work your way down, becaus the amount of treble adjustment you have affects how much mid adjustment you will have as well as how much bass adjustment you have, and the mids affect the bass... IMO a well set up Recto has all of the tone knobs more or less within the 11-1 o'clock range.

A boost pedal is key. I recommend a Maxon OD808 or another OD808 type pedal. If I remember the voicings on my Recto right, channel 2 sounded better for leads then channel 3 did, but I didn't like my recto a whole lot and I didn't shred much when I had it. Channel 1 is not clean at all and will do the light distortion effect you are looking for in the fat mode.

[Drew]

Originally Posted by Lozek

Hye guys, I'm looking for a bit of advice. I'm on tour in Germany at the end of September and will be using rental gear. I've specified two 3 channel Dual recs & two V30 loaded cabs for me & the other guitarist, can anyone tell me how to get the best out of them?

I'm curently thinking, get a cranked Tubescreamer in front, get an ISP pedal somewhere (best placement in the loop?) and pick up a cheap delay of some kind.

I'd like to achieve the following:

Channel 1 - Semi-distortion sound for a couple of subtle parts here & there
Channel 2 - Main rhythm sound
Channel 3 - Lead sound, with volume boost & delay

Can anyone give me any tips? Help with the channel voicings? (it's been about 10yrs since I owned a Dual rec & it was an early two channel)

Hmm.... well, if you want a semi-distortion sound instead of a clean, then you might as well just use the clean channel and let the TS break it up, so you can leave the tube screamer on all the time.

I'd flip that, though - Channel 1 semi-distorted, channel 2 main lead sound, channel 3 main rhythm sound. The presence range on Channel 3 is WAY more aggressive than on two, and the best lead tones are with the presence low whereas the rhythm sounds the Recto is known for is Channel 3 with the presence up a bit.

I like to use Modern for lead as well as rhythm, as it's more focused, but you can get great results from Vintage, too. Either way, I like a lower gain lead sound than most and like the touch-sensitivity you get with the power amp really breathing and the gain at about 6 with no boost. A TS set to unity with the gain at 2-3 (out of 10) sounds pretty righteous here too, though, if you want more gain. Again, bass VERY low (possibly all the way at 0 for lead), mids 6-7, and treble 5-6 seem to work for me, with the presence low or off, but this is with an open-backed C90 so YMMV. Rhythm, less midrange, a little more bass, more presence (with a presence knob with WAY more range than 2, to boot), and you should get some evil crunch.

You can either set both channels to the same volume and use the solo boost on your footswitch, or just dial in the 2nd channel louder than the 3rd and 1st.

[HighGain510]

Originally Posted by Lozek

Hye guys, I'm looking for a bit of advice. I'm on tour in Germany at the end of September and will be using rental gear. I've specified two 3 channel Dual recs & two V30 loaded cabs for me & the other guitarist

Did they give you the option of a C-90 loaded cab, and is it too late to change? IMHO, and it is biased because I dislike the mid-spike in V-30's a LOT, you would be better off with cabs having a more neutral sounding speaker like Mesa cabs with C-90's. Any chance they could let you swap them still? You might be happier with the tone, I know Dave and Mike sound great with Mesas through C-90 loaded Mesa cabs!

[Stitch]

I wouldnt stick the noise gate in the loop - partly because I think the Recs have arallel, not series effects loops. - So you'll be blending, at best, 90% of noise gated sound back in with 10% of raw, non gated sound.

Also, in my experience, most pedals can't handle the levels the preamp is kicking out. Hell, my NS-2 wussed out going after my tubescreamer in fron t of my amp, I had to stick it right at the front.

The ISP may be a different beast.

Have you considered the 5150/5150II or the 6505/+? If you arent going to really use a clean sound it may help make things simpler, sounds great, bombproof, easy as fuck to find spares for, especially in Europe, since Mesa gear is hideously expensive over here...

[metalfiend666]

I'd agree with Drew on using channel 3 for rhythm. Dunno how much you heard of the playtime me, Ben and Ryan got on that Dual in Rockers but that awesomely brutal sound was channel 3. Ask Fletch for some advice too, he dialled in an absolutely sick sound on the Rectoverb when I bought that Schecter.

[Lozek]

Cheers for all the great advice guys, I'm going to have to print this page out & take it with me. I'll mess about with the channel 2/3 stuff and see what's working to my ears

C-90's - The guy organising the tour was booking it with them as it's a German company, so I just went for what i know & use curently. It's all booked now & would seriously ruffle feathers if i went back and changed.

5150/6505 - I've been in a couple of bands with people with 5150's and never been happy with them. I know you CAN get a good sound from them, but I've never been impressed by a totally stock unit.

Tubescreamer - It's currently looking like I'll have a Lord Ov Chaos modded unit with me, I'm expecting good things

I'll have a word with Fletch, he's a bit harder to get hold of these days though as he's changed jobs & isn't in Denmark St anymore (there goes my generous discounts !!!!!)