Scar Symmetry's Pitch Black Process - What amp!?

loktide · 07-20-2007, 03:18 AM

just out of curiosity, but what amp(s) are these extremely talented dudes playing on Pitch Black Process? I read somewhere they play ENGL. It sounds like a powerball set up to perfection in my ears, or am I completely beeing fooled by studio magic

?

thanks, dudes

Marko · 07-20-2007, 05:21 AM

I belive it was Fireball... I'll try to dig up some stuff i read on their forum a while ago, and post it here.

edit: here it is:

Hello Iceblade and others Rhytm-guitars is layered 4times with the Engl Fireball. 2 of the guitar tracks are using 2cabinets standard marshall+a behringer with jensen speakers(marshall=dark, behringer bright).guitar 3 and 4 only uses the marshall cab. each cabinet close miked with one sm57 into Amek purepath-preamp. on Symmetric in design it was one cab with 2 sm57s
We actually have some video-clips from the making of symmetric in design, but I don't have it some of the other bandmembers has it..
Per uses the vamp on his solos,I always play thru an amplifier. I get no bluesy-juicy feeling in my playing when playing thru pods or software-amps, but I'm sure it works for some guitarists Rock ööön/J

+

In the studio, I use the same setup for rhythm guitars as Jonas - Engl Fireball etc. Live I pretty much use whatever's available.

For "Symmetric in Design", Altered Aeon "Dispiritism" and World Below "Maelstrom" I used a V-Amp for all my solos. It's not the best lead tone ever but it works. For "Pitch Black Progress" I recorded my solos with Guitar Rig and then I re-amped everything twice: first through my V-Amp then through a MetalZone-pedal, a Marshall Anniversary-amp and a Behringer 4x12 cab miked with a Behringer B1. I blended the V-Amp-reamped signal with the Marshall-reamped signal, which sounded a lot better than only using the V-Amp.

I use two different 7-string guitars with Scar Symmetry, a black Ibanez Universe with green pickups and a blue Ibanez with "Prestige" written on the head... Dunno what the model's called...

I use Dunlop's Jazz III picks, and string my guitars 009-054 with whatever brand of strings is the cheapest!

guitar equipment...a start anyway... - Metal Realm

7StringofAblicK · 07-20-2007, 10:19 AM

haha, i love how budgeted they come across =

Because that's exactly how I'd be recording

. Nice to know they didn't use anything all that fancy, and their tone and playing shine through like glass on that album. I love their tone, but at times it feels a bit 'too' tight for my tastes (maybe they used a TS in front or something and it made it a tad too crunchy). A good comparison to this album is the newer Mercenary album - similar tone, but a touch smoother with more bottom end (maybe this was a Powerball?).

regardless, the european ambience and tone is hard hitting and precise - my kind o'shit

loktide · 07-20-2007, 10:28 AM

damn... a VAMP for solos... holy shit!

i cannot really take this seriously for some reason...

behringer cabs... vamp... reamping thru a metal-zone

damn.... great tone the "el cheapo" way FTW!

7StringofAblicK · 07-20-2007, 10:30 AM

I'm pretty sure the 4 tracks of an Engl Fireball helped, too.

B Lopez · 07-20-2007, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loktide

damn... a VAMP for solos... holy shit!

i cannot really take this seriously for some reason...

behringer cabs... vamp... reamping thru a metal-zone

damn.... great tone the "el cheapo" way FTW!

Vamps are actually really good for a lead tone.

But the other stuff is like WTF? They got their sound from that?

Guess you gotta work with what ya got.

newamerikangospel · 07-20-2007, 12:36 PM

If you dont want everyone elses tone, then you have to use equipment noone else is using. As long as it works and gets you what you want. Once I get into a steady band situation, I plan on getting behringer/jensen cabs. They have a great lower mid grunt, are good quality, and a great price. I doubt I would ever spend 800-900 until I am into a full tour mode or am building a recording studio. I would rather build my own.

Nick · 07-20-2007, 12:43 PM

they record in black lounge studios if you check out the site you can see all the gear that he uses. He actually has some pretty good rates as well. Other work he has done can be heard on carnal forges new album

loktide · 07-20-2007, 07:49 PM

man, getting that tone out of that equipment is something i would have never considered possible. this is really inspiring

Nick · 07-21-2007, 06:00 AM

indeed it is a fat guitar tone.

07-20-2007, 03:18 AM	#1
loktide dot like Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 2,055 Real Name: Christian Main Seven: Ibanez RG7680 Main ERG: RG2228 Rig: Diezel-VH4>Orange412 Thanked: 33	Scar Symmetry's Pitch Black Process - What amp!? just out of curiosity, but what amp(s) are these extremely talented dudes playing on Pitch Black Process? I read somewhere they play ENGL. It sounds like a powerball set up to perfection in my ears, or am I completely beeing fooled by studio magic ? thanks, dudes

07-20-2007, 05:21 AM	#2
Marko ss.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 216 Real Name: Marko Main Seven: WG587 Rig: ENGL Fireball Thanked: 4	I belive it was Fireball... I'll try to dig up some stuff i read on their forum a while ago, and post it here. edit: here it is: Hello Iceblade and others Rhytm-guitars is layered 4times with the Engl Fireball. 2 of the guitar tracks are using 2cabinets standard marshall+a behringer with jensen speakers(marshall=dark, behringer bright).guitar 3 and 4 only uses the marshall cab. each cabinet close miked with one sm57 into Amek purepath-preamp. on Symmetric in design it was one cab with 2 sm57s We actually have some video-clips from the making of symmetric in design, but I don't have it some of the other bandmembers has it.. Per uses the vamp on his solos,I always play thru an amplifier. I get no bluesy-juicy feeling in my playing when playing thru pods or software-amps, but I'm sure it works for some guitarists Rock ööön/J + In the studio, I use the same setup for rhythm guitars as Jonas - Engl Fireball etc. Live I pretty much use whatever's available. For "Symmetric in Design", Altered Aeon "Dispiritism" and World Below "Maelstrom" I used a V-Amp for all my solos. It's not the best lead tone ever but it works. For "Pitch Black Progress" I recorded my solos with Guitar Rig and then I re-amped everything twice: first through my V-Amp then through a MetalZone-pedal, a Marshall Anniversary-amp and a Behringer 4x12 cab miked with a Behringer B1. I blended the V-Amp-reamped signal with the Marshall-reamped signal, which sounded a lot better than only using the V-Amp. I use two different 7-string guitars with Scar Symmetry, a black Ibanez Universe with green pickups and a blue Ibanez with "Prestige" written on the head... Dunno what the model's called... I use Dunlop's Jazz III picks, and string my guitars 009-054 with whatever brand of strings is the cheapest! guitar equipment...a start anyway... - Metal Realm http://www.myspace.com/throughart

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7StringofAblicK Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,731 Real Name: Eric Rose Main Seven: Carvin/Hellraiser 7 Rig: VHT Pittbull 100/CL Thanked: 18	haha, i love how budgeted they come across = Because that's exactly how I'd be recording . Nice to know they didn't use anything all that fancy, and their tone and playing shine through like glass on that album. I love their tone, but at times it feels a bit 'too' tight for my tastes (maybe they used a TS in front or something and it made it a tad too crunchy). A good comparison to this album is the newer Mercenary album - similar tone, but a touch smoother with more bottom end (maybe this was a Powerball?). regardless, the european ambience and tone is hard hitting and precise - my kind o'shit

07-20-2007, 10:28 AM	#4
loktide dot like Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 2,055 Real Name: Christian Main Seven: Ibanez RG7680 Main ERG: RG2228 Rig: Diezel-VH4>Orange412 Thanked: 33	damn... a VAMP for solos... holy shit! i cannot really take this seriously for some reason... behringer cabs... vamp... reamping thru a metal-zone damn.... great tone the "el cheapo" way FTW!

07-20-2007, 10:30 AM	#5
7StringofAblicK Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,731 Real Name: Eric Rose Main Seven: Carvin/Hellraiser 7 Rig: VHT Pittbull 100/CL Thanked: 18	I'm pretty sure the 4 tracks of an Engl Fireball helped, too.

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07-20-2007, 12:43 PM	#8
Nick ss.org Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: glasgow scotland Posts: 1,761 Main Seven: RG1527 Rig: VHT Sig X -> ENGL Thanked: 12	they record in black lounge studios if you check out the site you can see all the gear that he uses. He actually has some pretty good rates as well. Other work he has done can be heard on carnal forges new album

07-20-2007, 07:49 PM	#9
loktide dot like Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 2,055 Real Name: Christian Main Seven: Ibanez RG7680 Main ERG: RG2228 Rig: Diezel-VH4>Orange412 Thanked: 33	man, getting that tone out of that equipment is something i would have never considered possible. this is really inspiring

07-21-2007, 06:00 AM	#10
Nick ss.org Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: glasgow scotland Posts: 1,761 Main Seven: RG1527 Rig: VHT Sig X -> ENGL Thanked: 12	indeed it is a fat guitar tone.


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