Vader vs. Mesa/C90

Unknown Doodl3.2 · 07-15-2007, 01:31 AM

I've got an offer on my 1x12 3/4 back C90 mesa cab and thinking of using the money on a vader 2x12 to put under the Mark IV. I really dig the C90sound, so I just wanna make sure that I'm not making any deals I'll regret. I trust this forum's opinions more then anywhere else anyway so might as well ask here.

noodles · 07-15-2007, 03:23 AM

Eh, I really don't like open back cabs of any kind. They are great for cleans, but get really boomy and indistinct when you pile on the gain. That's a cool vibe for some leads, but not for precision rhythm work.

I'm not sure a Mark IV head would sound that good through only one speaker. The Mark IV combo is built with that purpose in mind, and will also be much better at it. I would want at least a 2x12 for that amp.

Not that I want to discourage someone from buying Mesa, but Vader makes a good cab, too. Necrophagist was plugging Engl SE heads into Vader 4x12 cabs, and they sounded amazing. Unless you can find a Mesa Recto 2x12 for less than the Vader, go with the Vader.

LordOVchaoS · 07-15-2007, 09:05 AM

Can't go wrong with a Vader or a Mesa C90 cab but I totally agree with noodles, get at least a 2x12! Since used Mesas are about the price of new Vaders I can't hardly let myself tell you that the Vader isn't a better deal. The Eminences in Vaders are very similar to C90's IMO.

Open back = not my thing either.

Unknown Doodl3.2 · 07-15-2007, 09:19 AM

I don't have much experience with cabs, so I don't know if this open back 1x12 is my thing or not, all I know is a like it a hell of a lot better then V30's...

I'll check today if the guy still wants my cab, if he takes it then I guess I'll be buying the Vader 2x12. I sent Adam an email regarding shipment to Canada so we'll see how that goes...

noodles · 07-16-2007, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unknown Doodl3.2

I don't have much experience with cabs, so I don't know if this open back 1x12 is my thing or not, all I know is a like it a hell of a lot better then V30's...

When it comes to open back cabs, ask yourself this question: do you require a tight, punchy sound for your rhythm work. If so, open back cabs are completely wrong for you. I know they are completely wrong for me, considering that I play mainly thrash influenced stuff. However, for bluesy stuff, open back cabs really come into their own.

Unknown Doodl3.2 · 07-16-2007, 03:29 PM

Alright, closed back cabs it is

I'm just waiting on the guy to buy my cab, and if/when he does I'm gonna go after a 2x12 from vader. I've never seen someone answer questions so quickly, insightfully, and completely. If their product is as good as their service seems to be...

Zepp88 · 07-16-2007, 03:34 PM

This has me intrigued. Has anyone actually compared a Mesa C90 4x12 with a
Vader cab?

Vader might be a good money-saving way to go if they sound as good as a Mesa cab

LordOVchaoS · 07-16-2007, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zepp88

This has me intrigued. Has anyone actually compared a Mesa C90 4x12 with a
Vader cab?

Vader might be a good money-saving way to go if they sound as good as a Mesa cab

I own a Vader and have played C90 cabs several times. They're both just as good of a cab. There's a little difference in the voicing, I prefer the Vader just slightly over the Mesa but the Mesa is a close second favorite cab for me. The only bad thing about Vaders is there's nowhere you can go to try one for yourself.

Zepp88 · 07-17-2007, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordOVchaoS

I own a Vader and have played C90 cabs several times. They're both just as good of a cab. There's a little difference in the voicing, I prefer the Vader just slightly over the Mesa but the Mesa is a close second favorite cab for me. The only bad thing about Vaders is there's nowhere you can go to try one for yourself.

Well the Vader is sounding like a good option, and judging from the death metal bands that use them, they can take some abuse

Is there any way you can describe the suttle differences? Like "The midrange is like this on the mesa but it's more this on the vader" ?

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07-15-2007, 01:31 AM	#1 (permalink)
Unknown Doodl3.2 look at each other.. Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Montreal Posts: 2,181 Real Name: Claude Rig: Mark III -> Vader Thanked: 19 $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	Vader vs. Mesa/C90 I've got an offer on my 1x12 3/4 back C90 mesa cab and thinking of using the money on a vader 2x12 to put under the Mark IV. I really dig the C90sound, so I just wanna make sure that I'm not making any deals I'll regret. I trust this forum's opinions more then anywhere else anyway so might as well ask here.

07-15-2007, 03:23 AM	#2 (permalink)
noodles I'm your huckleberry • Super Moderator • Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 22,100 Real Name: Dave Main Seven: KxK V7 - The Emo Killer Rig: Roadster/GMaj/4x12 Thanked: 306	Eh, I really don't like open back cabs of any kind. They are great for cleans, but get really boomy and indistinct when you pile on the gain. That's a cool vibe for some leads, but not for precision rhythm work. I'm not sure a Mark IV head would sound that good through only one speaker. The Mark IV combo is built with that purpose in mind, and will also be much better at it. I would want at least a 2x12 for that amp. Not that I want to discourage someone from buying Mesa, but Vader makes a good cab, too. Necrophagist was plugging Engl SE heads into Vader 4x12 cabs, and they sounded amazing. Unless you can find a Mesa Recto 2x12 for less than the Vader, go with the Vader. Noodles Division: American Metal without the suck. sales@kxkguitars.com "Somewhere along the way, the Straight Talk Express lost some wheels..." --Barack Obama on John McCain

07-15-2007, 09:05 AM	#3 (permalink)
LordOVchaoS NUDE MAN! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrensburg, MO Posts: 3,949 Real Name: Joe Main Seven: Xiphos 7-string+blackouts Rig: Engl SE->Vader Thanked: 55	Can't go wrong with a Vader or a Mesa C90 cab but I totally agree with noodles, get at least a 2x12! Since used Mesas are about the price of new Vaders I can't hardly let myself tell you that the Vader isn't a better deal. The Eminences in Vaders are very similar to C90's IMO. Open back = not my thing either. www.bodenhamer-electronics.com the official gain merchant of sevenstring.org.

07-16-2007, 03:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
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07-15-2007, 09:19 AM	#4 (permalink)
Unknown Doodl3.2 look at each other.. Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Montreal Posts: 2,181 Real Name: Claude Rig: Mark III -> Vader Thanked: 19 $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	I don't have much experience with cabs, so I don't know if this open back 1x12 is my thing or not, all I know is a like it a hell of a lot better then V30's... I'll check today if the guy still wants my cab, if he takes it then I guess I'll be buying the Vader 2x12. I sent Adam an email regarding shipment to Canada so we'll see how that goes...

07-16-2007, 03:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
Unknown Doodl3.2 look at each other.. Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Montreal Posts: 2,181 Real Name: Claude Rig: Mark III -> Vader Thanked: 19 $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	Alright, closed back cabs it is I'm just waiting on the guy to buy my cab, and if/when he does I'm gonna go after a 2x12 from vader. I've never seen someone answer questions so quickly, insightfully, and completely. If their product is as good as their service seems to be...

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