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| ss.org Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Moscow Posts: 7
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![]() | Hi everyone. I'm kinda newbie here so maybe this question has already been discussed. I got Peavey 6505 with Marshall 1960BV connected at 16omhs with Ibanez K7 plugged in. I suppose it's a not bad rig =) but the question is that I cannot get the right sound on it. I mean the 7-th string sounds like nothing, like the bass and mid-bass is cut. I play Dropped A so a chord AEA sounds terrific, but not slightly on this gig. I want to know how to get a perfect sound on this kit. I use it at a rehearsal base and the knobs on amp on lead channel go like this: pregain 3—4, low 5, mid 10, high 3, presence and resonance 10. I want it to sound as good as it can so that all the notes are readable and at the same time brutal. |
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| I LIKE JUICE!!! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 4,327
Real Name: Tom Main Seven: Ibanez RG 7421 Rig: POD X3L & poweramp Thanked: 17
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Welcome! That's such a subjective thing that nobody can tell you exactly what to do to get what you would consider to be a perfect tone. You may not even be able to get that from your rig depending on what you consider to be a perfect tone. You can only really get closer to that by figuring out how to work your gear better so that you can better take the tone that's in your head and try to shape your gear to produce a similar sound. That being said, I think you're going about it all wrong with the way you seem to be doing this. If you're using the lead channel with the presence maxed, that might be why it sounds so thin on low power chords. Playing at high volumes with the presence maxed will also probably damage your hearing. Try the rhythm channel. Also, do your initial tone shaping with the presence and resonance knobs all the way down. Presence and resonance aren't meant to be used the way you're using them; they're supposed to just give a little boost to the tone you construct with the bass, mid, and treble knobs. Get your amp sounding as good as you can WITHOUT them, and then add just enough presence and resonance to give it what it needs. Is your K-7 stock? The PAF-7 pickups that come with the K-7 are far from ideal for brutal shredding pickups. You might be able to make them work, but I don't know if the PAF-7 is the right pickup for what you seem to be going for. "Tom, you're like 1 part a serious dork, and 2 parts the most awesome fucking guy ever." - ![]() guitargeek.com style rig diagram Pics of my gear Virtual studio tech testing ground Last.FM |
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| Senior Member ![]() Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: BOSTON Posts: 2,921
Real Name: Nick Main Seven: Carvin DC727C/Ibby 7620RB Rig: JSX/Mesa Rectoverb Thanked: 38
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | I run my 5150 into a Marshall top (but with Greenbacks) and If I used your settings my rig would sound like total shit. (no offense intended here) try these settings Lead channel pre gain 4-5 bass - 5 mids -4 treble - 4 low res - 5-6 Presence - 4 I get a great fat sound with these settings. I also use either a BBE sonic stomp or an MXR 10 band EQ in the loop (depending on the mood I'm in and what guitar I'm using). the EQ in the loop on 5150's really helps you shape your tone. )I like it better thatn the BBE) the rhythm channel is also alot 'fatter" sounding than the lead, try using that channel (with the crunch off) and a boost in front of the amp. Rhythm Channel settings pregain 9 bass 5 mids- 6 treble -5 low res - 5 presence -5-6 with a boost in front my amp sings with those settings. that should sound huge thru your rig as V30's handle bass response better than greenbacks. let us know how they sound. ![]() Can I be the devil on your shoulder? ![]() |
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| dot like ![]() Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 1,921
Real Name: Christian Main Seven: Ibanez RG7680 Main ERG: RG2228 Rig: Diezel-VH4>Orange412 Thanked: 33
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | I've never been a fan of stock K7s. Depending on your budget, I would put either a lundgren M7 or a dimarzio blazeII in it, if you want to get more out of your guitar. I can't really comment on the 6505 since i don't own one, but I would suggest to restart tweaking your tone having all parameters at 12 o'clock and preventing extreme settings, since these mostly sound unnatural and unbalanced. |
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| ss.org Regular Join Date: May 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 1,714
Real Name: Tomi .R Main Seven: Carvin DC727, Hellraiser Rig: TripleRecto&Invader Thanked: 8
![]() ![]() ![]() | You need a booster/overdrive pedal! That will tighten up your tone a lot and give your tone a "healthier" low-end. There are a lot of options available, like various Tubescreamers, Boss SD-1 etc. |
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| Deathgrind Maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Victoria BC Posts: 1,352
Real Name: Kevin Main Seven: rg2027xvv Main ERG: Custom Sherman 8. Rig: Herbert/Uberschall Thanked: 50
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | get those presence/res knobs down! i have a 5150 and use uv's and a 2027 with knobs at pre 11 o clock bass 12 o clock mid 3 o clock high between 2 and 3 o clock, low res at 12 o clock and pres at between 2 and 3 o clock, nice high gain, super articulate notes. also, running a tube screamer or a duncan pickup booster in front really helps! |
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| ss.org Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 231
Real Name: Charlie Main Seven: Custom Conklin 7 string Rig: Peavey 5150 Thanked: 0
![]() | You cannot go wrong with Lundgren pickups that's for sure. I use the 5150 which is very similar if not identical to a 6505 and the pickups really made a big difference in my sound. The next best investment for my sound was getting the right cabinet. I opted for the Splawn, but I think there's a lot of good stuff out there besides the Marshall (no offense to Marshall users). Experiment! And definetely try different settings. Start with everything at noon and go from there. Slow tweaks. ![]() |
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| ss.org Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Moscow Posts: 7
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![]() | It almost does like this. And I suppose this all because of Pres and Res knobs set max. Thanks everyone for replies. I will try all presented tuneups today and will write asap. For me K7 is a natural Japanese =) and it sounds great live and in recordings. But I suppose if it was possible to get Lundgrens in Moscow I would put them in. As for the cab, I use it 'cause of vintage speakers in it. K, see you soon. UPD: Didn't manage to. Drummer went to football with the keys =) Last edited by tezro; 05-20-2007 at 04:18 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |
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| ss.org Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Moscow Posts: 7
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![]() | I did it. Peavey did it best for me. Pre 3.5, bass 6, mid 5, trebble 3, res 4, pres 3. I got the sound I wished from the neck humbucker. Now, I will tell you why I used previous settings. I have a friend from band Crystal Abyss, they recorded their album in Poland studio, and he said that were the settings for the record. Even more: pre 3, bass 12 o'clock, mid max, trebble 9 o'clock, res max, pres 1 point to max. That is the shittiest settings i've heard. |
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| Senior Member ![]() Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: BOSTON Posts: 2,921
Real Name: Nick Main Seven: Carvin DC727C/Ibby 7620RB Rig: JSX/Mesa Rectoverb Thanked: 38
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | that's pretty close to what mine are. The V30's probably are a little brighter than the Greenbacks. cool! I was using mine all day yesterday with my Carvin 7 and I was thinking "god damn I love this amp, it's got such an In your face tone". ![]() |
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