[metalfiend666]

If you want an idea of what amps are out there, try my Amp/Cab maker thread

[Stitch]

Originally Posted by zimbloth

PS: I don't think we need an "in my opinion" disclaimer since that should be implied when we're talking about subjective topics such as this

I wasn't levelling that at you mate

Its kind of a given you've played it before and probably owned it for at least a week.

Originally Posted by Rindgecore

You farking tell me that that a VH4 sounds 4200 dollars good. Hell, it sounds 2500 dollars good, but not over 4 grand good.

Originally Posted by metalfiend666

One thing you have to bear in mind is it's made in Europe. Here it sells for £2200, exactly the same price as a Mesa Roadster. A Dual Rec is around £1700. Unfortunately the Dollar is fairly weak right now, so you end up paying proportionally more.

Thats exactly what I said.
We should have some sort of auto-reply whenever the cost of a European product is mentioned.

[Lozek]

I'm till not totally sold on Diezels being the absolute peak of tone that everyone seems to think they are. I used to play in a band with the guy who is now the main UK distributor for Diezel & at that point he was running a Herbert & a 5150. The Herbert definitely sounded more full than the 5150, the issue that I always had was the the Herbert sounded so full, it left no frequency room for the bass or kick drums.

From what I've experienced playing about with both amps, the VH-4 definitely sits more in the traditional guitar frequency range and I like it for that reason. Overall though, I'd rather use more of a combination of gear and try to sound a bit more like myself.

[Bird]

The Koch Powertone 2 is worth looking at.

[6077dino]

My vote goes also for VHT. I have two Pittbull one hundreds, that´s the predicesor of UL. It is basicly the same the biggest difference being the power section. It is one half of 2150 power amp, just two KT88, pumping out 100W.

My friend had a pittbull classic and the sounded great too. I found my voice in VHT! They are very good and have a unique sound.

[DreamSound]

It's true that are too many variables that play with judging an amp according to someone posting a clip. The most important variables are the preamp used, guitar and pickups, the player, settings on the amp, the way it was miced and mixed and how many layered guitar tracks.

However, if you listen to several clips you can find the common ground and you can get an idea of what a specific amp sounds like. If the clip its good then you know there's potential.

The bottom line is that I don't have the time to find different stores that carries different heads. After listening to a couple of clips of VHT heads I am certainly interested! My #1 choice right now will be the VHT Pittbull w. the parametric eq thanks to all you guyses feedback. I found one for 3K and I think it will be worth the money!! The store its about an hour away and I'll let y'all know how it goes

[starsnuffer]

H&K triamp mkII will get you close. It's more versitile, but has a less processed sound then the Diezel. Most people who like the Diezels like the processed aspect of the sound (especially true of the herbert). The H&K's are more organic, but have that unique german midrange thing going on.

-W

[Bound]

I think as far as ultra high gain amps go, I'll prefer the sound of an Engl Savage over the Diezel any day.