Tubes for Mesa

Neal · 02-02-2007, 02:58 PM

I've always been under the impression that you pretty much have to use Mesa tubes in Mesa amps since there's no bias adjustment. But I recently read something on here about using 'real' tubes instead of Mesa tubes. Has anybody done this and how well did it work? I loved what Groove Tubes did for my Marshall. I just didn't think they would work in a Mesa. If I could get more punch and low end out of my Road King, I might not have to get rid of it.

noodles · 02-02-2007, 03:04 PM

What power tubes do you have in your RK, 430's or 440's?

budda · 02-02-2007, 03:14 PM

www.eurotubes.com - get a set of JJ's. all this "only use our tubes" is BS imo. tube brand doesnt mean much for me, its the tube type.

http://www.guitarists.net/forum/view...5&thread=69058 it gets discussed here.

Neal · 02-02-2007, 03:19 PM

440's. Never seen 430's. I've seen 425's(5881) though.

noodles · 02-02-2007, 03:21 PM

First, grab a Tung Sol 12AX7 to put in V1. They're about $15 on Musician's Fiend. Throw a tube screamer in front of the amp, too. Throwing a tube screamer in front of a tube amp has become pretty much standard at this point.

budda · 02-02-2007, 03:23 PM

so who wants to explain to me why you'd put a TS in front of a high gain head? isnt the point that it has high gain and massive crunch, so you DONT need to put anything in front of it? or did i miss something?

it seems to be the "in" thing, but im gonna stick with "if the amp cant cut it stock, its not worth getting".

noodles · 02-02-2007, 03:26 PM

You don't get any gain from it. You set the gain on zero, the tone to suit, and the level to match. It goes a long way towards tightening up and focusing the sound, making it pop out of the mix. I have yet to find a tube amp that this doesn't work wonders for.

Neal · 02-02-2007, 03:30 PM

i have a tube screamer. i set the tone and gain all the way down and the level all the way up. like a clean boost. i just use it for leads though. sounds like ass for rhythm stuff no matter how its set. cuts too much low end.

budda · 02-02-2007, 03:31 PM

im glad no one's trying to squeeze more gain out of their amps, or i'd have a lot of ass-kicking and amp stealing to do.

i tried a ZW overdrive in front of my traynor with the gain set low and the tone set up, output on max - barely did squat for the amp. when i find someone with a TS, i will try this out.

Neal · 02-02-2007, 03:31 PM

what were you getting at with the 440s or 430s question?

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02-02-2007, 02:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
Neal ss.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: shredville Posts: 156 Main Seven: Ibanez RG 7620 Rig: Mesa Road King / JSX Thanked: 2	Tubes for Mesa I've always been under the impression that you pretty much have to use Mesa tubes in Mesa amps since there's no bias adjustment. But I recently read something on here about using 'real' tubes instead of Mesa tubes. Has anybody done this and how well did it work? I loved what Groove Tubes did for my Marshall. I just didn't think they would work in a Mesa. If I could get more punch and low end out of my Road King, I might not have to get rid of it.

02-02-2007, 03:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
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budda Guiterrorizer Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Deep River ONT (summer), London ONT (school) Posts: 7,603 Real Name: Justin Main Seven: Carvin DC727 OFR Rig: JSX->XXX w/ WGS CL80 Thanked: 51	www.eurotubes.com - get a set of JJ's. all this "only use our tubes" is BS imo. tube brand doesnt mean much for me, its the tube type. http://www.guitarists.net/forum/view...5&thread=69058 it gets discussed here.

02-02-2007, 03:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
Neal ss.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: shredville Posts: 156 Main Seven: Ibanez RG 7620 Rig: Mesa Road King / JSX Thanked: 2	440's. Never seen 430's. I've seen 425's(5881) though.

02-02-2007, 03:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
noodles I'm your huckleberry • Super Moderator • Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 22,141 Real Name: Dave Main Seven: KxK V7 - The Emo Killer Rig: Roadster/GMaj/4x12 Thanked: 307	First, grab a Tung Sol 12AX7 to put in V1. They're about $15 on Musician's Fiend. Throw a tube screamer in front of the amp, too. Throwing a tube screamer in front of a tube amp has become pretty much standard at this point.

02-02-2007, 03:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
budda Guiterrorizer Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Deep River ONT (summer), London ONT (school) Posts: 7,603 Real Name: Justin Main Seven: Carvin DC727 OFR Rig: JSX->XXX w/ WGS CL80 Thanked: 51	so who wants to explain to me why you'd put a TS in front of a high gain head? isnt the point that it has high gain and massive crunch, so you DONT need to put anything in front of it? or did i miss something? it seems to be the "in" thing, but im gonna stick with "if the amp cant cut it stock, its not worth getting".

02-02-2007, 03:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
noodles I'm your huckleberry • Super Moderator • Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 22,141 Real Name: Dave Main Seven: KxK V7 - The Emo Killer Rig: Roadster/GMaj/4x12 Thanked: 307	You don't get any gain from it. You set the gain on zero, the tone to suit, and the level to match. It goes a long way towards tightening up and focusing the sound, making it pop out of the mix. I have yet to find a tube amp that this doesn't work wonders for.

02-02-2007, 03:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
Neal ss.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: shredville Posts: 156 Main Seven: Ibanez RG 7620 Rig: Mesa Road King / JSX Thanked: 2	i have a tube screamer. i set the tone and gain all the way down and the level all the way up. like a clean boost. i just use it for leads though. sounds like ass for rhythm stuff no matter how its set. cuts too much low end.

02-02-2007, 03:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
budda Guiterrorizer Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Deep River ONT (summer), London ONT (school) Posts: 7,603 Real Name: Justin Main Seven: Carvin DC727 OFR Rig: JSX->XXX w/ WGS CL80 Thanked: 51	im glad no one's trying to squeeze more gain out of their amps, or i'd have a lot of ass-kicking and amp stealing to do. i tried a ZW overdrive in front of my traynor with the gain set low and the tone set up, output on max - barely did squat for the amp. when i find someone with a TS, i will try this out.

02-02-2007, 03:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
Neal ss.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: shredville Posts: 156 Main Seven: Ibanez RG 7620 Rig: Mesa Road King / JSX Thanked: 2	what were you getting at with the 440s or 430s question?


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