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budda · 01-31-2007, 04:30 PM

So today i took out the EH EL34's from my JSX, and put in my sovtek 6L6's from my traynor.

damn. NOT what i expected. where'd that mad gain go on my crunch channel? where'd the whole "satch vibe" go? why is there less clarity on the crunch channel?

apparently the amp is supposed to sound BETTER with 6L6's, but i dont know. i did tweak my settings, and the jump between crunch and ultra is now just huge - i just wanted a lead tone similar to my rhythm tone, but with that added bite. now its a distinct jump.

what i find funny is that originally, i was like "I keep EQ'ing the distortion channels to sound the same, and it always has that satch vibe!"..now i sorta want that back. this tone may grow on me, we'll see. I need to record both tube types to see what i'll get when i retube the power section.

for everyone who owns a EL34/6L6 switchable amp, what do you prefer and why?

noodles · 01-31-2007, 04:37 PM

What type of 6L6's did you install, and how old are they?

Popsyche · 01-31-2007, 04:38 PM

Mine don't switch, but I own plenty of both. I like the EL34 sound better. It's got a little more high end and the response seems faster.

budda · 02-01-2007, 10:51 AM

sovteks, got 'em for christmas so they're about a month old. they had maybe 6 hours playing time total on them.

metalfiend666 · 02-01-2007, 11:08 AM

Have you biased the amp or just flipped a bias switch? You need to get the amp properly biased to get the true sound out of the tubes. My thoughts on swapping EL34's to 6L6's can be found here, but I prefer the 6L6's.

Leon · 02-01-2007, 12:27 PM

Sovtek makes great amps, but their tubes really suck

. get some real tubes, like some JJ's. when shopping for tubes, don't be fooled by relabeled stuff. GrooveTubes, for example, are just relabeled Sovteks.

audibleE · 02-01-2007, 12:47 PM

Could you recomend some JJ's for a Dual Rec? I went to their website and there's a ton of choices. Preamps, 6l6's and EL34's.

Thanks!

noodles · 02-01-2007, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by audibleE

Could you recomend some JJ's for a Dual Rec? I went to their website and there's a ton of choices. Preamps, 6l6's and EL34's.

Call them and tell them what you're trying to achieve. They're extremely helpful and knowledgeable.

Leon · 02-01-2007, 03:48 PM

^

i just got an order of new JJ's for my Mesa Nomad from Eurotubes.com, and they forgot to send one of the preamp tubes

. i called them up, and it's already shipped out their door

budda · 02-02-2007, 02:03 AM

bob's a good salesman, thats for sure. i didnt have the amp biased, and as much as it may help i dont think that it was going to suddenly turn my JSX into a more rage-o-hol tone machine. i figured out what i wanted to, im stickin w/ the EL34's. when i retube i'll get JJ's. all in all, i dont really care what the brand is, i care that its the right type of tube :P.

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budda Guiterrorizer Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Deep River ONT (summer), London ONT (school) Posts: 7,465 Real Name: Justin Main Seven: Carvin DC727 OFR Rig: JSX->XXX w/ WGS CL80 Thanked: 49	Tube Swap So today i took out the EH EL34's from my JSX, and put in my sovtek 6L6's from my traynor. damn. NOT what i expected. where'd that mad gain go on my crunch channel? where'd the whole "satch vibe" go? why is there less clarity on the crunch channel? apparently the amp is supposed to sound BETTER with 6L6's, but i dont know. i did tweak my settings, and the jump between crunch and ultra is now just huge - i just wanted a lead tone similar to my rhythm tone, but with that added bite. now its a distinct jump. what i find funny is that originally, i was like "I keep EQ'ing the distortion channels to sound the same, and it always has that satch vibe!"..now i sorta want that back. this tone may grow on me, we'll see. I need to record both tube types to see what i'll get when i retube the power section. for everyone who owns a EL34/6L6 switchable amp, what do you prefer and why?

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budda Guiterrorizer Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Deep River ONT (summer), London ONT (school) Posts: 7,465 Real Name: Justin Main Seven: Carvin DC727 OFR Rig: JSX->XXX w/ WGS CL80 Thanked: 49	sovteks, got 'em for christmas so they're about a month old. they had maybe 6 hours playing time total on them.

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Leon {##[====:::. • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Ohio Crew Posts: 12,474 Main Seven: RG7620 of Doom Rig: Mesa / Sovtek Thanked: 81	^ i just got an order of new JJ's for my Mesa Nomad from Eurotubes.com, and they forgot to send one of the preamp tubes . i called them up, and it's already shipped out their door

02-02-2007, 02:03 AM	#10 (permalink)
budda Guiterrorizer Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Deep River ONT (summer), London ONT (school) Posts: 7,465 Real Name: Justin Main Seven: Carvin DC727 OFR Rig: JSX->XXX w/ WGS CL80 Thanked: 49	bob's a good salesman, thats for sure. i didnt have the amp biased, and as much as it may help i dont think that it was going to suddenly turn my JSX into a more rage-o-hol tone machine. i figured out what i wanted to, im stickin w/ the EL34's. when i retube i'll get JJ's. all in all, i dont really care what the brand is, i care that its the right type of tube :P.

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