Pedal type power amps

guy in latvia · 05-29-2012, 05:05 AM

Hey guys,

looking into a super downsized rig for jamming/small gigs.

Ive got a crapload of pedals I can use as preamps and I would like to add a tiny pedal type of power amp. I've heard or the EHX and the AMT pedals, my main concern is the weight, size and obviously tone!

Whats out there? Is it loud enough to play with drums/on a small stage (300 people venue)? Do they actually sound good?

Cheers!

Crewyth · 05-29-2012, 08:50 AM

I've also considered getting the EHX Magnum 44 but have been concerned if it's loud enough. Any experiences with full loud metal band? Haven't pulled the trigger on that also because guy from Matrix Amplification wrote on the Fractal board that there is coming a portable version of GM50 at some point. Could be perfect for small pedal based rigs.

guy in latvia · 05-29-2012, 09:23 AM

^Exactly, at the EHX price point, might as well go matrix

great_kthulu · 05-29-2012, 01:58 PM

I have a 44 magnum, which I freaking love!

here's a vid, its just my halo into a tightmetal into the ehx, into a marshal mg cab.
Edit: Plenty loud for giging, and has a SWEET vintage saturated tone when you crank it.

guy in latvia · 05-29-2012, 03:47 PM

cool stuff! thanks for the info!

Other opinions? What about the AMT stuff?

T-e-r-r-y · 05-30-2012, 01:47 PM

Just tried the 22 Caliber today with a Tech 21 U.S.Steel into an Orange 4x12.
Really loud, but not clean at all, so it didn't play nice with the Tech 21 unfortunately.

Still impressive though, and would probably be useful for non-metal players. If a much cleaner version is made I'm sold!

great_kthulu · 05-30-2012, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-e-r-r-y

Just tried the 22 Caliber today with a Tech 21 U.S.Steel into an Orange 4x12.
Really loud, but not clean at all, so it didn't play nice with the Tech 21 unfortunately.

Still impressive though, and would probably be useful for non-metal players. If a much cleaner version is made I'm sold!

you may still want to look into the 44 magnum, twice the power, twice the clean headroom. You can get up to gigging levels before breakup really hits.

MaxOfMetal · 05-30-2012, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by great_kthulu

twice the power, twice the clean headroom

That's not really how that works.

Atomshipped · 05-31-2012, 12:22 AM

Is there really anything out there for this kind of thing other than the EHX pedals?

MaxOfMetal · 05-31-2012, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atomshipped

Is there really anything out there for this kind of thing other than the EHX pedals?

AMT has their Tube Cake series power amp pedals.

great_kthulu · 05-31-2012, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxOfMetal

That's not really how that works.

all I know is, I can get a lot louder that a 22. caliber before it breaks up

MaxOfMetal · 05-31-2012, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by great_kthulu

all I know is, I can get a lot louder that a 22. caliber before it breaks up

You are getting more headroom, it's just not doubles because the wattage rating has doubled.

RufusMadore · 05-31-2012, 02:34 AM

cool stuff! thanks for the info!

guy in latvia · 05-31-2012, 03:55 AM

The AMT tube cake stuff appears to be 3w, is that usable at all in a jamming situation?

My ENGL e530 preamp has an inbuilt 6w SS power amp, which sounds like total shit, which can get loud enough.

Stealthdjentstic · 05-31-2012, 04:09 AM

I doubt it man, 3W is well..3W

guy in latvia · 05-31-2012, 04:19 AM

Well so far it doesn't look good.

Has anyone tried the damn matrix with an analog preamp/pedal? I know the axe-fx and pod users rave about how awesome it is, but how does it fare with non modelers?

I just cant be assed go to play a 30 minute set and ruin my back carrying my 30kg rack (excellent word placement

).

BabUShka · 05-31-2012, 04:42 AM

Crate powerblock! Those are discontinnued, but you might find a used one.
crate powerblock | eBay

Price is nice too.

guy in latvia · 05-31-2012, 05:33 AM

^thanks!

But does it actually sound good?

BabUShka · 05-31-2012, 05:37 AM

To be honest, I haven't got to play one yet. But I've seen many people brag about it. Especially for modelling where transistors aren't an issue.

I didnt see you were from Latvia.. It seems like you can run it with 120-240V, but do some research before you descide to order from Ebay

vancouvermetalguitarguy · 05-31-2012, 04:49 PM

Sorry to bust some bubbles but the EHX 44 magnum is only slightly louder than the 22 caliber and depending on whose your drummer even the 44 magnum will not cut it in a ROCK band (I was in a rock band before). So I can only forsee the 44 magnum not being able to cut through much in a metal band. Just my 2 cents.

HeHasTheJazzHands · 05-31-2012, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BabUShka

Crate powerblock! Those are discontinnued, but you might find a used one.
crate powerblock | eBay

Price is nice too.

+1 on this. Big +1.

They're small, but they're ....ING loud for their size. 150W mono and 75W stereo.

Not to mention they can be found a bit cheaper then pedal amps.

wakjob · 05-31-2012, 06:07 PM

Hell, for that matter, look at some of the new bass amp heads that have been coming out over the last few years.

Mega wattage, about the size of wireless router.

Mazzy · 05-31-2012, 07:16 PM

I did the EHX 44 Magnum with various pedals in the past and LOVED it. Pedal rigs are so much fun and the 44 magnum ir more than loud enough for any need... it has the volume to jam with a band, maybe not fill a stage but mic it up or go direct for that.

Blasphemer · 05-31-2012, 08:45 PM

+1 for the crate. My other guitarist uses his sometimes to run his Vox Tonelab straight into the effects return, and it sounds great.

TMM · 05-31-2012, 09:57 PM

Man, it's not a pedal, but get a Behringer iNuke 3000. I got one used from GC for $150 - 3000 watts, 7 lbs, fits in a shallow rack. Done.

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05-29-2012, 05:05 AM	#1
guy in latvia SS.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Riga, Latvia Posts: 1,048 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Pedal type power amps Hey guys, looking into a super downsized rig for jamming/small gigs. Ive got a crapload of pedals I can use as preamps and I would like to add a tiny pedal type of power amp. I've heard or the EHX and the AMT pedals, my main concern is the weight, size and obviously tone! Whats out there? Is it loud enough to play with drums/on a small stage (300 people venue)? Do they actually sound good? Cheers!

05-31-2012, 08:45 PM	#24
Blasphemer That Guy from Maine Join Date: May 2011 Location: Kittyland Love Center Posts: 1,138 Thanked: 26 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	+1 for the crate. My other guitarist uses his sometimes to run his Vox Tonelab straight into the effects return, and it sounds great. My band, Capture the Sun. Prog that's not djent! Get my solo albums! They're pretty damn free!

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TMM UUDDLRLRBAStart Join Date: May 2006 Location: NH, USA Posts: 4,284 Thanked: 85 Feedback Score: 58 reviews	Man, it's not a pedal, but get a Behringer iNuke 3000. I got one used from GC for $150 - 3000 watts, 7 lbs, fits in a shallow rack. Done. Oni 8 ISP Decimator <-- TC NDR-1 Nova Drive <-- VHT GP3 / AMT SS-30 Bulava <-- Two-Notes PI-101 WoS <-- Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 DSP <-- Starr Labs Mini-Z <-- Apple MBP 15 <-- Two-Notes PI-101 WoS Demo THEMAMMONMACHINE

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05-29-2012, 08:50 AM	#2
Crewyth ss.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 6 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I've also considered getting the EHX Magnum 44 but have been concerned if it's loud enough. Any experiences with full loud metal band? Haven't pulled the trigger on that also because guy from Matrix Amplification wrote on the Fractal board that there is coming a portable version of GM50 at some point. Could be perfect for small pedal based rigs.

05-29-2012, 09:23 AM	#3
guy in latvia SS.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Riga, Latvia Posts: 1,048 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	^Exactly, at the EHX price point, might as well go matrix

05-29-2012, 01:58 PM	#4
great_kthulu SS.org Regular Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: peterborough, NH Posts: 441 Thanked: 8 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have a 44 magnum, which I freaking love! here's a vid, its just my halo into a tightmetal into the ehx, into a marshal mg cab. Edit: Plenty loud for giging, and has a SWEET vintage saturated tone when you crank it.

05-29-2012, 03:47 PM	#5
guy in latvia SS.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Riga, Latvia Posts: 1,048 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	cool stuff! thanks for the info! Other opinions? What about the AMT stuff?

05-30-2012, 01:47 PM	#6
T-e-r-r-y SS.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 154 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Just tried the 22 Caliber today with a Tech 21 U.S.Steel into an Orange 4x12. Really loud, but not clean at all, so it didn't play nice with the Tech 21 unfortunately. Still impressive though, and would probably be useful for non-metal players. If a much cleaner version is made I'm sold!

05-31-2012, 12:22 AM	#9
Atomshipped SS.org Regular Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: California Posts: 588 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Is there really anything out there for this kind of thing other than the EHX pedals?

05-31-2012, 02:34 AM	#13
RufusMadore ss.org Regular Join Date: May 2012 Location: Boston, MA London Posts: 6 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	cool stuff! thanks for the info!

05-31-2012, 03:55 AM	#14
guy in latvia SS.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Riga, Latvia Posts: 1,048 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	The AMT tube cake stuff appears to be 3w, is that usable at all in a jamming situation? My ENGL e530 preamp has an inbuilt 6w SS power amp, which sounds like total shit, which can get loud enough.

05-31-2012, 04:09 AM	#15
Stealthdjentstic Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canadia Posts: 19,978 Thanked: 338 Feedback Score: 10 reviews	I doubt it man, 3W is well..3W

05-31-2012, 04:19 AM	#16
guy in latvia SS.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Riga, Latvia Posts: 1,048 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Well so far it doesn't look good. Has anyone tried the damn matrix with an analog preamp/pedal? I know the axe-fx and pod users rave about how awesome it is, but how does it fare with non modelers? I just cant be assed go to play a 30 minute set and ruin my back carrying my 30kg rack (excellent word placement ).

05-31-2012, 04:42 AM	#17
BabUShka SS.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 868 Thanked: 10 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Crate powerblock! Those are discontinnued, but you might find a used one. crate powerblock \| eBay Price is nice too.

05-31-2012, 05:33 AM	#18
guy in latvia SS.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Riga, Latvia Posts: 1,048 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	^thanks! But does it actually sound good?

05-31-2012, 05:37 AM	#19
BabUShka SS.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 868 Thanked: 10 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	To be honest, I haven't got to play one yet. But I've seen many people brag about it. Especially for modelling where transistors aren't an issue. I didnt see you were from Latvia.. It seems like you can run it with 120-240V, but do some research before you descide to order from Ebay

05-31-2012, 04:49 PM	#20
vancouvermetalguitarguy SS.org Regular Join Date: May 2012 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 220 Thanked: 5 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Sorry to bust some bubbles but the EHX 44 magnum is only slightly louder than the 22 caliber and depending on whose your drummer even the 44 magnum will not cut it in a ROCK band (I was in a rock band before). So I can only forsee the 44 magnum not being able to cut through much in a metal band. Just my 2 cents.

05-31-2012, 06:07 PM	#22
wakjob SS.org Regular Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: CNY Posts: 1,054 Thanked: 9 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hell, for that matter, look at some of the new bass amp heads that have been coming out over the last few years. Mega wattage, about the size of wireless router.

05-31-2012, 07:16 PM	#23
Mazzy Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Jupiter Posts: 171 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I did the EHX 44 Magnum with various pedals in the past and LOVED it. Pedal rigs are so much fun and the 44 magnum ir more than loud enough for any need... it has the volume to jam with a band, maybe not fill a stage but mic it up or go direct for that.